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I am in need of some serious help ASAP. It seems that I am living with a schizophrenic dog. OK. I have a 5 year old lab/austrialian cattle dog mix. I have had her as a puppy, and she has always been an apartment living dog. Yes, I know. Such a dog is not meant for living in an apartment. But I was 5 years less dumber when I got her. Whenever we are alone together, she is a perfect angle. If I take her for a walk to the store, she will sit at every intersection without command, and wait for me to tell her to proceed. She will know the spot that I will normally tie her out at and lie there passively waiting for me to secure her. While I am in the store if a stranger passes her, she will lie on her back asking for a belly rub. In off lease pet areas, she never always keeps me in sight, and never wanders off. She LOVES all people. She mostly gets along well with all dogs, but occasionally growls at other dogs if they get close to her ball. I never have any fear of her bolting off and running away. But, she has a darker side. My girlfriend has severe cerebral palsy. She gets around in a chin controlled wheel chair, and cannot communicate verbally. My dog loves my girlfriend so much that it is crazy. And, this is where her darkside starts to show. If me and my girlfriend are together, I cannot control my dog. If my dog hears her coming, she will immediately start barking and howling, and there is nothing I can do about it. If we are in my girlfriends van together, my dog is so over joyed that she will just bark and bark and bark. So far it doesn’t sound so bad. I am not complaining about this… let me continue… If I get my girlfriend out of her wheelchair, my dog will, again go crazy with barking and over enthusisam. And will pull on my girlfriends pant leg. We have gotten into a tug of war at times, me holding my girlfreinds shoulders, and trying to maitain balance while my dog was pulling on her pant leg trying to…. I am not sure what she was trying to do. None of this is AT ALL vicious. Like I said, my dog loves my girlfriend like you cannot imagine. But, I cannot control her in these circumstances. But, again, I don’t have a problem with this either. But, here comes my real problem…. In the last week, I have moved to a new apartment (after living in my old apartment for about 1.5 years), and my life has become a living hell. The first day that I left her alone, she managed to open my shut bedroom door, open the only window in the apartment, break through the windows screen door, and essentially break out of my apartment. Apparently, she was barking and howling outside of the apartment all day until someone took her to her vet (via the address on her rabies tag), where I finally found her the next day. (Big sigh of relief). I spent the weekend at home with her, then left her at home yesterday when I went to work. I came home to major damage. I don’t think that I could have made as much damange in the time that she did if I tried. Fearing that she would hurt herself, today, I left her in the bathroom. When I came home… you cannot imagine what the damage to the bathroom was. I am sure that you may have heard about horror stories to moldings, and doors. But, she had chewed the door knob to a point where it looks like it went through a meat grinder. The medicine cabinet was torn off the wall. Words cannot describe the carnage. I always give her "surprise" treats to find when I leave. I never make a big deal about it when I leave. She has been living in an apartment setting for all of her life. She has made moves to different apartments before. I have had her since she was a puppy, and she is very well adjusted to strangers. I have tried making incremental leaves in the new apartment. Just tonight, I went through my routine of leaving, and watched her through the window. She acted as a perfectly well adjusted dog. She watched the door for a few minutes, then just lied down. Are there any suggestions that I might try to get her to behave while I am away. She does not have the background or temperment of a dog with separation anxiety, but, she sure does the damage of one. I thank you much for your help!!!!!
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>I spent the weekend at home with her, then left her at home yesterday when I >went to work. I came home to major damage. I don’t think that I could have >made as much damange in the time that she did if I tried. >Fearing that she would hurt herself, today, I left her in the bathroom. >When I came home… you cannot imagine what the damage to the bathroom was. >I am sure that you may have heard about horror stories to moldings, and >doors. But, she had chewed the door knob to a point where it looks like it >went through a meat grinder. The medicine cabinet was torn off the wall. >Words cannot describe the carnage.
I’ll leave it to others more competent than I to address the basic problem, but until you get this figured out you’d better crate her. I can’t imagine being your landlord. :) >I always give her "surprise" treats to find when I leave. I never make a >big deal about it when I leave. She has been living in an apartment setting >for all of her life. She has made moves to different apartments before. I >have had her since she was a puppy, and she is very well adjusted to >strangers.
Weird. My first thought was that she was confused by the move, but if she’s made moves before that’s probably not it in and of itself. Is there anything significantly different about this apartment? Has she exhibited any interest in the walls or baseboards while you’re home with her? (I’m thinking of insects or mice here, but don’t mean to imply that you’ve moved into a slum or anything.) — Mark Shaw (and Maggie) anti-spam: change ‘bang’ to ‘not’ "A dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverance, and to turn around three times before lying down." -Robert Benchley
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> I am in need of some serious help ASAP. It seems that I am living with a > schizophrenic dog. > I thank you much for your help!!!!!
Hello Ken, Here’s a quick start. Use the separation anxiety technique with the sound distraction technique to interrupt the FIRST signs her distress, over incrementally increasing outings. You’ll find the rest of the information they’ll need to learn in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com SEPARATION ANXIETY Here’s how to deal with the separation anxiety. This usually works, you will have to use it for at least four occasions before it will become effective: Say good bye to your dog in the usual manner, then make a big fuss over saying good bye to an article, a bone or toy you intend to leave with the dog. Tell it to be a good toy or whatever, and that you’ll be back, and for it to have a nice day while you are gone. Put it down, and do not look at or speak to the pup as you leave. The first thing upon returning, do not speak to the dog, search for the article, pick it up and give it a big hello, saying how pleased you are that it had a good time and behaved so well while you were gone. Make a big fuss over it. Then turn to your dog and tell your pup that he has been good, too, NO MATTER WHAT HE HAS DONE, and be brief with his greeting. After a few occasions of doing this, the pup may learn to bond with and try to emulate the toy’s good behavior to get the big greeting. Never acknowledge any damage he may have done. Do not scold or remark to him about any damage or mess he has made. Clean it up without him being present. When he comes back and looks at what you’ve cleaned up, tell him he’s good, instead of mentioning all of the extra work he caused you. That will break some of the stress that he may feel about having been alone, and you won’t be teaching him howe to push your buttons. Here’s what to do about damage or accidents when you were out. Place in a convenient location, an empty soda can with six pennies in it, and crush it square so it will not roll.When you come into the room and see the mess, ignore it and continue about your business. You must be casual about this, or the dog will get wise to you. With the dog in the room, surreptitiously pick up the can and casually walk past the mess and ask what’s that, as you drop the can next to whatever damage or mess he’s done. Say nothing else and don’t break stride as you do this. Continue with other business until you put the dog out so you may clean up the mess and retrieve the can without him seeing you cuss under your breath at him. When he returns, he will look at the spot and look over at you. You are going to tell him he’s a good boy, and sound like you really mean it. That will blow his mind, and if he were doing that mistake as an attention getting device, he will realize that it isn’t working and he will search for other behaviors to get you to perform for him. This technique may work right away, or it may require a couple of instances. Stick with the method, even if it takes a few days before it shows some results. Here’s the fastest and easiest way to address any behavior problem. You can use any distraction instead of sound, for example a laser beam for use on a deaf dog, but sound is the most reliable for a normal dog. SOUND DISTRACTION AND PRAISE TECHNIQUE Using this technique is the easiest and fastest way to break any behavior. There are a number of things that have to be considered when beginning this approach. A few preliminary exercises in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available at: http://www.doggydoright.com will explain the basic handling techniques you should learn REGARDLESS of HOWE you are training your dog. Using them will insure that the method will work to a high degree of proficiency. The problem is that not many people understand how to use sound distraction and praise techniques correctly, and do not know HOWE to use the come command as a default, if the sound does not work on occasion. I’ve heard a couple of the "experts" saying they’ve tried it, and it didn’t work for them, or it made their dog nervous. Those are usually the experts who choke and shock dogs, and are trying to FORCE the dog using sound, instead of choking or shocking…Many of them have never read the techniques presented here, and are using inappropriate or incorrect methods. If the dog is "sound sensitive," a lesser sound is in order, but USUALLY a dog is "sound sensitive" because the non physical PRAISE was delayed, or was not EXUBERANT and prolonged. There are some people who do not follow the directions and get lousy results, and there are people that do not allow the technique adequate repetition to be successful. Those problems may occur if the technique is not done precisely. There is no excuse that these techniques will not work if done correctly, they are a scientific fact. Any sound will suffice. Ideally, the sound would be the same each time, but that is not always possible. A single clap of the hands or snap of the fingers would do, if it were followed by praise, and as long as it does not happen twice in succession from the same point of origin. That’s why several penny cans, or key rings, or any safe noise maker, are required. You cannot use the same can or key ring for more than two occasions in succession, once from the hand, and the next from beyond the dog. The sound must always be accompanied by praise. The sound must never occur from the same point of origin twice in succession. The sound must be brief. Any UNINTENTIONAL sounding should be avoided and PRAISED if it occurs. That will let the dogs know it was not intended for them. When more than one dog is present while using sound distractions and praise techniques, all dogs present must receive praise with direct eye contact so they will UNDERSTAND they were not being addressed. The praise must continue constantly for several seconds following any sound cue to allow the thought process to be completed. The behavior must be allowed or made to be repeated and interrupted several times, using sound and praise until the dog’s desire for that behavior is broken. And most importantly, the moment the dog thinks of resuming the behavior, you must praise him. That’s right. When the dog thinks about resuming the behavior, if you praise him at that exact moment, the previous interruptions will be restimulated and validated in the dogs mind, and the behavior will be extinguished, usually after the NEXT attempt. That seems to be the real hard part for trainers to understand. They want to make the behavior stop or happen, and they interfere with the dog’s thought process. The dog will learn through the process of elimination of alternative actions or behaviors. It takes a few minutes, and the behavior is eliminated, rather than repressed and seething to resume, as is the case with physical or verbal corrections, confrontation, or punishment "techniques." The trainer will confound his efforts when they insist on telling the dog "NO!," instead of relying on the conditioning that has been established. Shouting at the dog will often trigger the opposite of the desired effect. What further complicates the process for the trainer, is that they break the conditioning when they respond with a different corrective technique out of a reflexive reaction of their own, such as screaming "No!," or reaching out to grab the dog and physically forcing or correcting the dog for a further instance of malbehavior, rather than taking the moment to think about the best way to address the problem, and if necessary, search for a can or ask a partner to clap their hands or snap their fingers, to present the dog with another sound from a different source or direction, and follow through with the appropriate sound and praise. Once a sound distraction has been used, the process must be carried out using an alternate source of sound for the next interruption, or even a coincidental sound or noise distraction, such as a thunder clap or a neighbor closing a car door, will suffice… We want the dog to exhaust all of the alternative malbehaviors he can pull out of his bag of tricks, in order for us to extinguish them EACH in turn. Any time we interact in a behavior by telling the dog "no!," or physically restrain or correct him, we are becoming part of the behavior, either as a player or competitor, in the dog’s mischief. Using sound as a distraction must always be followed by immediate, prolonged, non physical praise. Interrupting a behavior with sound should never be associated with us, as in voicing "no!," or telling the dog to "stop it." The behavior should NOT be distracted with any PHYSICAL INTERVENTION. We want the behavior to begin again, so that we may have another opportunity to properly address the behavior with another sound and praise. That way, we can completely end a problem while the dog is THINKING about it, and while we are prepared to address the issue before it becomes out of control. The sound must never occur twice in a row from the same direction. In other words, if you snapped your fingers in front of the dog to stop him from chewing on your shoelace, you’d praise him for five to fifteen seconds immediately upon snapping your fingers. The behavior will hopefully resume, and the next attempt at chewing the shoelace, the sound of the snap of your fingers must come from behind the dog, or even from a friend assisting from across the room, from a soda can with a few pennies in it, or any source of sound (except our voice!), followed by prolonged non physical praise, until the dog is no longer thinking about the behavior, or resumes it. The third interruption of the behavior usually gets the message across, and the dog will think about the behavior … read more »
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> Are there any suggestions that I might try to get her to behave while I am > away. She does not have the background or temperment of a dog with > separation anxiety, but, she sure does the damage of one. > I thank you much for your help!!!!!
Get her a crate and start putting her in that while you are at home. Give her treats and the crate. I think this will help make her feel more secure. Or you could take her to a doggie day care for a couple of weeks until she gets used to your new apartment. Basically it sounds as though she is confused and stressed out by the move. Gwen
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You didn’t mention any formal obedience training. I’m no expert, but nothing you’ve described sounds like any sort of weird mental illness, it sounds like an ill-trained dog. It might not be separation anxiety; it might be something as simple as a little nervousness in a new apartment or never having been taught how to behave when alone. Try the standard treatment for separation anxiety which includes using a crate and slowly increasing the time you’re gone from only a few minutes to a few hours. As for your girlfriend, the subject has come up often here how dogs often react oddly when faced with someone acting in a way that the dog perceives as odd. (I can still remember my embarrassment at the way Genny used to bark at people sweeping sidewalks or working under cars; I never did those things.) Your dog might be jealous of the attention you give your girlfriend or he might be reacting to oddness. It could be something else altogether. Either way, if you start by teaching your dog to sit, down, stay, etc. when she’s not around, you can build to getting him to behave when she is. It will take some experimentation to find the training method you like best and works best with your dog so I’ll leave that up to you, but I do recommend group classes (unless your dog doesn’t get along with other dogs the way mine doesn’t). I can’t explain it, but there’s something about the group class that makes it easier to get the timing right and to be patient and to understand what’s reasonable progress and what isn’t. Group classes do a lot to cut down on the trainer’s frustration. –Lia — "It is a strange fact of life on earth that a human being who reaches college age under the impression that "it’s" is the possessive form of "it" cannot be disabused of that belief. No amount of red ink will wash it out." Louis Menand
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Crate your dog when you are out.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am in need of some serious help ASAP. It seems that I am living with a > schizophrenic dog. > OK. I have a 5 year old lab/austrialian cattle dog mix. I have had her as > a puppy, and she has always been an apartment living dog. Yes, I know. > Such a dog is not meant for living in an apartment. But I was 5 years less > dumber when I got her. > Whenever we are alone together, she is a perfect angle. If I take her for a > walk to the store, she will sit at every intersection without command, and > wait for me to tell her to proceed. She will know the spot that I will > normally tie her out at and lie there passively waiting for me to secure > her. While I am in the store if a stranger passes her, she will lie on her > back asking for a belly rub. > In off lease pet areas, she never always keeps me in sight, and never > wanders off. She LOVES all people. She mostly gets along well with all > dogs, but occasionally growls at other dogs if they get close to her ball. > I never have any fear of her bolting off and running away. > But, she has a darker side. > My girlfriend has severe cerebral palsy. She gets around in a chin > controlled wheel chair, and cannot communicate verbally. My dog loves my > girlfriend so much that it is crazy. And, this is where her darkside starts > to show. > If me and my girlfriend are together, I cannot control my dog. If my dog > hears her coming, she will immediately start barking and howling, and there > is nothing I can do about it. If we are in my girlfriends van together, my > dog is so over joyed that she will just bark and bark and bark. > So far it doesn’t sound so bad. I am not complaining about this… let me > continue… > If I get my girlfriend out of her wheelchair, my dog will, again go crazy > with barking and over enthusisam. And will pull on my girlfriends pant leg. > We have gotten into a tug of war at times, me holding my girlfreinds > shoulders, and trying to maitain balance while my dog was pulling on her > pant leg trying to…. I am not sure what she was trying to do. > None of this is AT ALL vicious. Like I said, my dog loves my girlfriend > like you cannot imagine. But, I cannot control her in these circumstances. > But, again, I don’t have a problem with this either. But, here comes my > real problem…. > In the last week, I have moved to a new apartment (after living in my old > apartment for about 1.5 years), and my life has become a living hell. > The first day that I left her alone, she managed to open my shut bedroom > door, open the only window in the apartment, break through the windows > screen door, and essentially break out of my apartment. > Apparently, she was barking and howling outside of the apartment all day > until someone took her to her vet (via the address on her rabies tag), where > I finally found her the next day. (Big sigh of relief). > I spent the weekend at home with her, then left her at home yesterday when I > went to work. I came home to major damage. I don’t think that I could have > made as much damange in the time that she did if I tried. > Fearing that she would hurt herself, today, I left her in the bathroom. > When I came home… you cannot imagine what the damage to the bathroom was. > I am sure that you may have heard about horror stories to moldings, and > doors. But, she had chewed the door knob to a point where it looks like it > went through a meat grinder. The medicine cabinet was torn off the wall. > Words cannot describe the carnage. > I always give her "surprise" treats to find when I leave. I never make a > big deal about it when I leave. She has been living in an apartment setting > for all of her life. She has made moves to different apartments before. I > have had her since she was a puppy, and she is very well adjusted to > strangers. > I have tried making incremental leaves in the new apartment. Just tonight, > I went through my routine of leaving, and watched her through the window. > She acted as a perfectly well adjusted dog. She watched the door for a few > minutes, then just lied down. > Are there any suggestions that I might try to get her to behave while I am > away. She does not have the background or temperment of a dog with > separation anxiety, but, she sure does the damage of one. > I thank you much for your help!!!!!
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Ken, Beware of Jerry Howe. Jerry Howe is only here to sell you his dubious $100 electronic training device. That is where the link he posts takes you. His "free training manual" offer is the bait for his underhanded "bait & switch" scam. (A purchaser of jerry’s $100 training device has posted a review at: jerry could easily post the correct link but he refuses to do so and, as you will see by his posts, viciously attacks & slanders anyone who disagrees with his dishonest tactics. EdW http://Petloss.com
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ken, > Beware of Jerry Howe. > Jerry Howe is only here to sell you his dubious $100 electronic training > device. > That is where the link he posts takes you. His "free training manual" > offer is the bait for his underhanded "bait & switch" scam. > (A purchaser of jerry’s $100 training device has posted a review at: > jerry could easily post the correct link but he refuses to do so and, as > you will see by his posts, viciously attacks & slanders anyone who > disagrees with his dishonest tactics. > EdW > http://Petloss.com
Hello ed, I direct people to http://www.doggydoright.com because it is EASIER to remember than: http://www.doggydoright.com/free_training_manual.htm People don’t think there is any "bat & switch," the FREE MANUAL is not a come on for a for sale course or book, it’s COMPREHENSIVE, and mentions NO for sale items, sales pitches, or endorsements of ANYTHING, except consideration, kindness, and effective, FAST, training methods. DUBIOUS? My Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) is 100% money back satisfaction guaranteed FOREVER, has a two year FULL, FREE, repair/replacement warranty, and BIOSOUND Scientific pays ALL return shipping. So, if DDR does not meet your needs, it won’t cost you ONE CENT. EVER. And there is a 25% discount for ALL shelter and rescue people, REGARDLESS of their tax exempt status. *(That means the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves are kicking in their profit to HELP people who WANT to HELP dogs. See?) Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) is a pleasant sound program that rehabilitates all dog and cat behavior problems. It stops barking dogs in minutes, cures barking, chewing, digging, pacing, whining, car sickness, fear of thunder, separation anxiety, fence running, gun shyness, and more. It will quite the entire neighborhood, and prevents territorial aggression in feral cats, i.e. it keeps them from fighting and spraying. Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) has made the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE, so people do not have to abuse their dogs like YOU and our Gang Of Thugs. (That’s what this is all about. You can’t criticize my manual, because EVERYBODY KNOWS it’s the best information on dog training available anywhere.) Your pals like to jerk, choke, shock, twist and pinch dogs body parts, chin cuff, scruff shake, (and cindymooron’s favorite,) STICK FINGERS down puppy’s throats to choke them out of mouthing, BEAT dogs with sticks to motivate them (like lyingfrosty dahl,) and HANG dogs to REHABILITATE them from their abusive "TRAINING." Elaine writes:
I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior problems. I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately 100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.). I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I am involved with animals and have very little time to play games with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not believe in it. Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as did Mark Shaw’s last email to me. Take care Jerry and don’t let the Mark’s of the world get you down. Elaine Hi Jerry, Teddy, my friend, with the very alpha male Siamese cat reports all is well. She has been running DDR for well over a week now and JR has not beaten up on any of the other cats. Gillie the smallest female cat was living in the bathroom and JR was attacking her every day. Teddy forgot to close the bathroom door the second day she had the DDR and came home to good news "no hair all over the room." Now she is leaving the bathroom door open all the time and JR has not attacked Gillie. Gillie used to be able to sleep with Teddy on the bed but JR got soooo….bad he would almost maul her if she came into the bedroom. Teddy told me that yesterday Gillie came into the bedroom and JR just looked at her and ignored her. Teddy is so grateful as she was considering putting JR outside or having him euthanized. Will update you in another week or so. Thanks, Elaine Apr 25, 05:59 PM Margaret Hoffman Message 1 of 19 Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work – at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn’t dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won’t bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won’t sell you my DDR! Hi Jerry, Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile (3 weeks) now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect but much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of nightly cat fights. Thanks, Elaine Hi, Lowest setting to us is when the machine is on the least number of times during the day. We are going to try putting it on the next setting and see if that will completely solve our problems. We are holding our breath at this point on the spraying and hoping that BIOSOUND continues to work. Will let you know. Yes, feel free to use my post. If you sell to people with cat spray problems though you might want to recommend that they do what we did. We went through the house with BacTerminator an enzyme product that eats the cat urine. We have used Bac T. for a long time and it usually only slows them down for a week or two, so I know it is the BIOSOUND that has created the success we are seeing right now. We were resigned to constant cleaning and even then it was difficult to keep up with. I don’t know if you have forgotten but we have 19 cats. Elaine.
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> You didn’t mention any formal obedience training.
Dogs are difficult to control when they’re alone in the house. Training would not have an effect on the dog’s behavior when left alone in a house. > I’m no expert
I am enough of an expert to say lots of obedience trained dogs can’t be left home alone. , but > nothing you’ve described sounds like any sort of weird mental illness, it > sounds like an ill-trained dog.
It’s neither. Dogs frequently like to tear things up unless they’re either supervised or restrained
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ken, > Beware of Jerry Howe. > Jerry Howe is only here to sell you his dubious $100 electronic training > device. > That is where the link he posts takes you. His "free training manual" > offer is the bait for his underhanded "bait & switch" scam. > (A purchaser of jerry’s $100 training device has posted a review at: > jerry could easily post the correct link but he refuses to do so and, as > you will see by his posts, viciously attacks & slanders anyone who > disagrees with his dishonest tactics. > EdW > http://Petloss.com > Hello ed, > I direct people to http://www.doggydoright.com because it is EASIER to > remember than: http://www.doggydoright.com/free_training_manual.htm
That is an absurd excuse. Also a LIE. EdW http://Petloss.com
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> Dogs are difficult to control when they’re alone in the house. Training > would not have an effect on the dog’s behavior when left alone in a house.
Hmmmm…I agree and disagree here. If a dog is not "manners" trained regarding soiling, chewing, etc., it can never be left home unsupervised. But, OTOH, I have had dogs with UDs and Schutzhund training that could not be trusted if I left a garbage can in the house with them – or food on the counters. I came home one day to a bag of sugar strewn from one end of the house to the other. The 3 dogs I have had that problem with were perfect when left alone – as long as I removed enticing items. Interesting to note that one of them had gotten out of the yard and was lost long enough to lose 15 pounds – it was only after that that her garbage and food thing started, and the other 2 were rescue shepherds, so God alone knows whether they had ever been starved. regards, Toby
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Hello alpha wolf,
> Dogs are difficult to control when they’re alone in the house. Training > would not have an effect on the dog’s behavior when left alone in a house. > Hmmmm…I agree and disagree here.
What difference would it make? You’ve got 25 years experience DOING THE WRONG THINGS. > If a dog is not "manners" trained regarding soiling, chewing, etc., it can never be left home > unsupervised. But, OTOH, I have had dogs with UDs and Schutzhund training that could > not be trusted if I left a garbage can in the house with them – or food on the > counters.
That’s because all you understand is FORCE. In order for FORCE to WORK, the ENFORCER MUST BE THERE TO ENFORCE… That’s why your best dogs are UNMANAGEABLE. > I came home one day to a bag of sugar strewn from one end of the > house to the other. The 3 dogs I have had that problem with were perfect > when left alone – as long as I removed enticing items.
DUOH! > Interesting to note that one of them had gotten out of the yard and was lost
That could LIKELY BE, becasue of your lousey TRAINING methods and SHOCK collar. > long enough to lose 15 pounds – it was only after that that her garbage and food thing > started, and the other 2 were rescue shepherds, so God alone knows whether they had > ever been starved.
That’s no excuse for NOT being able to TRAIN the dog. > regards,
Yes, WARM regards… BZZZT! YIPE! > Toby
You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train your dog using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological behavior modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… j;~) "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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Hello Elaine,
> You didn’t mention any formal obedience training. > Dogs are difficult to control when they’re alone in the house.
Not if they’re TRAINED properly. > Training would not have an effect on the dog’s behavior when left alone in a house.
BUNK! > I’m no expert > I am enough of an expert to say lots of obedience trained dogs can’t be left > home alone.
That’s because of INAPPROPRIATE and INEFFECTIVE training methods. >but nothing you’ve described sounds like any sort of weird mental illness, it > sounds like an ill-trained dog.
Yes. There is something wrong with the way the dog is being handled. > It’s neither. Dogs frequently like to tear things up unless they’re either > supervised or restrained
No, only if they’re anxious, usually as a result of MISHANDLING. You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train your dog using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological behavior modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… j;~) "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Ken, > > Beware of Jerry Howe. > > Jerry Howe is only here to sell you his dubious $100 electronic training > > device. > > That is where the link he posts takes you. His "free training manual" > > offer is the bait for his underhanded "bait & switch" scam. > > (A purchaser of jerry’s $100 training device has posted a review at: > > jerry could easily post the correct link but he refuses to do so and, as > > you will see by his posts, viciously attacks & slanders anyone who > > disagrees with his dishonest tactics. > > EdW > > http://Petloss.com > Hello ed, > I direct people to http://www.doggydoright.com because it is EASIER to > remember than: http://www.doggydoright.com/free_training_manual.htm > That is an absurd excuse. Also a LIE. > EdW > http://Petloss.com
Hello ed, Care to QUOTE some of my lies? Can you provide and complaints other than from the PROVEN LIARS and DOG ABUSERS I’ve EXPOSED and IDENTIFIED here??? All of my credentials have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) costs $99.95 and $7.50 S&H and is 100% money back, satisfaction guaranteed forever, and has a two year warranty. BIOSOUND Scientific offers a 25% discount for all shelter and rescue people regardless of their tax exempt status or affiliation with any recognized organizations. I also recommend you read the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free on my website. When you download the manual, change the script to sans serif to print it out. Please excuse the typo’s, grammatical, and spelling errors, the information is still 24 carrot. And, I give unlimited additional advice, free for the asking. We’ve had a lot of grateful posters right here VERIFY that they’ve benefited from my INFORMATION. You call them liars too. You’ve never contributed ANYTHING here. I generally do not give customer testimonials, because often they can be faked. However, two posters on the Internet news groups have discussed their favorable results. Their comments are provided below, their identities have been PROVEN by marquis de "Read koehler For Content," shaw, and dw. Elaine writes:
I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior problems. I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately 100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.). I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I am involved with animals and have very little time to play games with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not believe in it. Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as did Mark Shaw’s last email to me. Take care Jerry and don’t let the Mark’s of the world get you down. Elaine Hi Jerry, Teddy, my friend, with the very alpha male Siamese cat reports all is well. She has been running DDR for well over a week now and JR has not beaten up on any of the other cats. Gillie the smallest female cat was living in the bathroom and JR was attacking her every day. Teddy forgot to close the bathroom door the second day she had the DDR and came home to good news "no hair all over the room." Now she is leaving the bathroom door open all the time and JR has not attacked Gillie. Gillie used to be able to sleep with Teddy on the bed but JR got soooo….bad he would almost maul her if she came into the bedroom. Teddy told me that yesterday Gillie came into the bedroom and JR just looked at her and ignored her. Teddy is so grateful as she was considering putting JR outside or having him euthanized. Will update you in another week or so. Thanks, Elaine Apr 25, 05:59 PM Margaret Hoffman Message 1 of 19 Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work – at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn’t dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won’t bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won’t sell you my DDR! Hi Jerry, Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile (3 weeks) now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect but much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of nightly cat fights. Thanks, Elaine. Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific http://www.doggydoright.com Director of Training, Wits’ End Dog Training
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Hi Ed, After being here a little over a week, I have come to realize that any newbie who read more than 1-2 of ninny boy’s postings would surely realize that he is no better than a rabid dog foaming at the mouth. That said, I have to ask you why you even bother responding to his off-the-wall comments. Just tell him the truth, that those of us who can, do….those of us who can’t talk about it. regards, toby
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Hello lia, > You didn’t mention any formal obedience training. I’m no expert, but > nothing you’ve described sounds like any sort of weird mental illness, it > sounds like an ill-trained dog. It might not be separation anxiety; it > might be something as simple as a little nervousness in a new apartment > or never having been taught how to behave when alone.
You’re right. You’re no expert on this. Your own dog used to GROWL at you because of the irresponsible handling and training you gave him. > Try the standard treatment for separation anxiety which includes using a crate
Using a crate is NOT "treatement" for separation anxiety, and it OFTEN CAUSES other, seemingly non related behavior problems, like hyperactivity, excessive barking, obsessive chewing, digging, howling, pacing, whining, self-mutilation, and aggression. > and slowly increasing the time you’re gone from only a few minutes to a few hours.
That can be done successfully in a couple of days, using my surrogate toy separation anxiety technique. You know, the one everyone LAUGHS at??? > As for your girlfriend, the subject has come up often here how dogs often > react oddly when faced with someone acting in a way that the dog > perceives as odd. (I can still remember my embarrassment at the way > Genny used to bark at people sweeping sidewalks or working under cars; I > never did those things.) Your dog might be jealous of the attention you > give your girlfriend or he might be reacting to oddness. It could be > something else altogether.
I’m sure it is "something else" altogether. > Either way, if you start by teaching your dog to sit, down, stay, etc. when she’s not > around, you can build to getting him to behave when she is.
That might work, but it probably won’t, BECAUSE THE ETIOLOGY of the behavior has not been addressed… IOW, that "SOMETHING ELSE ALTOGETHER". > It will take some experimentation to find the training method you like > best and works best with your dog so I’ll leave that up to you,
Yes, we wouldn’t want to LIMIT ourselves, to EXCLUDE PAIN. > but I do recommend group classes (unless your dog doesn’t get along with other > dogs the way mine doesn’t).
DUOH! (I GIVE UP!) Your "obedience" classes often INCREASE anxiety. Remember the cocker spanies who was THIRD out of 100 dogs in her obedience club, who BITES his owner? That’s a RESULT of our traditional "obedience" training. > I can’t explain it,
Good for you that you admit you know nothing and can explain nothing. > but there’s something about the group class that makes it easier to get the timing right
TIMING? You mean for CORRECTIONS, don’t you? > and to be patient and to understand what’s reasonable progress and what isn’t.
Let’s talk about what’s REASONABLE TO DO to dogs in OBEDIENCE training??? > Group classes do a lot to cut down on the trainer’s frustration.
Yes, jerking and choking your dog DOES vent frustration and anger, doesn’t it? > –Lia
You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train your dog using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological behavior modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… j;~) "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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Well HULLO mr 25 years EXPERIENCE with a psycho dog and shock collars. bye!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Ed, > After being here a little over a week, I have come to realize that any > newbie who read more than 1-2 of ninny boy’s postings would surely realize > that he is no better than a rabid dog foaming at the mouth. That said, I > have to ask you why you even bother responding to his off-the-wall comments. > Just tell him the truth, that those of us who can, do….those of us who > can’t talk about it. > regards, > toby
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[...] >I am enough of an expert
Boy, now there’s the truth! > to say lots of obedience trained dogs can’t be left >home alone.
OIC…once a dog is reliably house trained, you still have to stick around, eh? Geeeeeeeeeeeeeez. Hey, all you folks out there who thought your dogs were house trained, well, E-lame says that’s just your imagination. Obedience trained dogs just can’t be left home alone — no, because they’ll piss and shit all over your stuff as soon as you walk out that door, and if they don’t, it’s just your imagination. So go clean it up anyway. Really. The piss and shit are there. You just have to look real hard for it. :>) Geeeeeeeeeeez. — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman Proud "Gang of Thugs" member in good standing. Vasco Miagkobrukhoi Mishkovich 379 Running Dog Rd. Salem, MO Visitors welcome.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > [...] >I am enough of an expert > Boy, now there’s the truth! > to say lots of obedience trained dogs can’t be left >home alone. > OIC…once a dog is reliably house trained, you still have to stick > around, eh? > Geeeeeeeeeeeeeez. > Hey, all you folks out there who thought your dogs were house trained, > well, E-lame says that’s just your imagination. > Obedience trained dogs just can’t be left home alone — no, because > they’ll piss and shit all over your stuff as soon as you walk out that > door, and if they don’t, it’s just your imagination. > So go clean it up anyway. > Really. > The piss and shit are there. > You just have to look real hard for it. > :>) > Geeeeeeeeeeez. > — > Dogman > http://www.i1.net/~dogman > Proud "Gang of Thugs" member in good standing. > Vasco Miagkobrukhoi Mishkovich > 379 Running Dog Rd. > Salem, MO > Visitors welcome.
Talk dog training, lyingdogDUMMY: Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply," lyingfrosty dahl. HERE’S a couple of questions that have STUMPED THE THUGS: HOWE does koehler KNOW the dog don’t think he’s coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of just TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of an abusive Thug who beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the floor in a room you’ve restricted him to for this purpose, and then tied him next to a forced accident? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? That’s the ONLY question ANYONE of you CAN answer. The answer is OBVIOUS. koehler trainers are DOG ABUSING COWARDS HOWE MUCH brains does it take to beat a dog every twenty minutes for the same mistake you’ve tied it next to??? But I might like shooting them with a sling shot or BB gun better, you know, to teach the dog to WANT to stay at home Our professor of behavior Wisc. U., lyingdoc dermer endorses koehler. (He said: "I punish dog’s behavior, NOT the dog." You gonna believe THAT CRAP, PEOPLE??? Ask PROFESSOR DERMER to tell us HOWE the dog understands koehler coming back every twenty minutes to punish him again for the same mistake he’s tied him up next to, to housetrain him??? Go ahead and ASK HIM. The dirty COWARD won’t talk to me about it. He won’t talk to Marilyn about it, and he can’t say SHE’S been INCIVIL WITH HIM. We know HOWE SENSITIVE our koehler trainers are… Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." "Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. "There’s much wisdom in koehler," deana pace. (Her dogs run away from home.) "Read koehler," lyingdogDUMMY. (koehler is all he understands.) "Read koehler & cindymorons k-9 web faq’s page," ludwig smith. "Don’t let him do that & read cindymooreon’s web page," boob maida. > lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: > For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and > pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. > When he barks, use the line for a correction.
Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama…. amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in
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>Well HULLO mr 25 years EXPERIENCE with a psycho dog and shock collars. bye!
Well Hullo mr I’m a fucking asshole
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>Care to QUOTE some of my lies? Can you provide and complaints other than from the >PROVEN LIARS and DOG ABUSERS I’ve EXPOSED and IDENTIFIED here??? All of my credentials >have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
As what??? A master cocksucker
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> Hello ed, > Care to QUOTE some of my lies?
That’s EASY jer: "I direct people to http://www.doggydoright.com because it is EASIER to remember than: http://www.doggydoright.com/free_training_manual.htm" THAT is a LIE jer. Remembering has NOTHING to do with it jer. Just so you understand jer, you are posting a LINK. You don’t need to remember a LINK jer. You don’t have to type in a LINK jer. You just CLICK ON IT. EdW http://Petloss.com
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