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First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. US market apparently doesn’t care. Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? — de N2MPU Jack FN20 Proud NRA member You can learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com/
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> First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder >containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of >soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to >continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. >US market apparently doesn’t care. > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.?
I hope your company isn’t implying that Europeans eat their circuit boards. They’re not all French you know. It can’t mean that lead-free solder does a GOOD job soldering if it’s such a pain in the ass to solder with. I’m using Kester because I don’t work for your company. So far it’s the best solder I’ve ever used. Pete — You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here.
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Hi, Plumbers using for quite some time. Must be OK, I guess. I did not hear them complaining. Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder > containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of > soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to > continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. > US market apparently doesn’t care. > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.?
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It sucks. There are certain pastes and formulations containing antimony and bismuth that are supposed to be "compatible" with existing build processes. Why anyone would rather have antimony and bismuth instead of lead is beyond me. "Green" politics run amok, along with some protectionist motivations from the EU is all it really is. Some companies in the process industry are looking at alternatives, like conductive epoxies. The other reason is that inductance from solder blobs is starting to become significant in the speeds some stuff runs at today. > First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder >containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of >soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to >continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. >US market apparently doesn’t care. > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? >– >de N2MPU Jack FN20 >Proud NRA member
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Lead is serious shit. Children in particular should not be around it. For those of us who don’t do much, so what? Plumbing code here changed in the early 90s. The lead free solders take lots more heat, so much the code on copper went heavier. I’m a chicken shit in amps, and will stick to lead in there. If I worked every day or in production with the stuff I would expect my employer or self to take precautions. I know a logger, who in the days of leaded gas got pretty sick, yellow eyes and all. turns out it was lead from the saws. I would not be so quick to hit the ‘greens’ on this one. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It sucks. > There are certain pastes and formulations containing antimony and bismuth that > are supposed to be "compatible" with existing build processes. > Why anyone would rather have antimony and bismuth instead of lead is beyond me. > "Green" politics run amok, along with some protectionist motivations from the > EU is all it really is. > Some companies in the process industry are looking at alternatives, like > conductive epoxies. The other reason is that inductance from solder blobs is > starting to become significant in the speeds some stuff runs at today. > First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder >containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of >soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to >continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. >US market apparently doesn’t care. > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? >– >de N2MPU Jack FN20 >Proud NRA member > — > Dr. Nuketopia > Sorry, no e-Mail. > Spam forgeries have resulted in thousands of faked bounces to my address.
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> I know a logger, who in the days of leaded gas got pretty sick, yellow eyes and > all. turns out it was lead from the saws. I would not be so quick to hit the > ‘greens’ on this one. Chris
the amount of lead in solder is somewhat less to the amount of lead he was exposed to – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It sucks. > There are certain pastes and formulations containing antimony and bismuth that > are supposed to be "compatible" with existing build processes. > Why anyone would rather have antimony and bismuth instead of lead is beyond me. > "Green" politics run amok, along with some protectionist motivations from the > EU is all it really is. > Some companies in the process industry are looking at alternatives, like > conductive epoxies. The other reason is that inductance from solder blobs is > starting to become significant in the speeds some stuff runs at today. > > First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder > >containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of > >soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to > >continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. > >US market apparently doesn’t care. > > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? > >– > >de N2MPU Jack FN20 > >Proud NRA member > — > Dr. Nuketopia > Sorry, no e-Mail. > Spam forgeries have resulted in thousands of faked bounces to my address.
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> First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder >containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of >soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to >continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. >US market apparently doesn’t care. > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.?
I had to use lead free solder when I re-did my plumbing… man what a pain!! You have to get the pipes so hot you burn the studs they run into!! I almost set the bathroom on fire heating up the shower manifold! I don’t know what lead-free electronic solder is, but the plumbing stuff requires 800 degrees to melt!! I won’t use it… I’m stock-piling regular solder…
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>Lead is serious shit. Children in particular should not be around it. For those >of us who don’t do much, so what? Plumbing code here changed in the early 90s. >The lead free solders take lots more heat, so much the code on copper went >heavier. I’m a chicken shit in amps, and will stick to lead in there. If I >worked every day or in production with the stuff I would expect my employer or self >to take precautions. >I know a logger, who in the days of leaded gas got pretty sick, yellow eyes and >all. turns out it was lead from the saws. I would not be so quick to hit the >’greens’ on this one.
The problem isn’t the amount of lead in your environment, it’s the amount in your body. They stuff used in gas tetra ethyl lead (some such thing) was absorbed quickly and thoroughly. Very poisonous stuff. Soldering is not a big deal. Wash your hands – don’t light cigarettes with the soldering iron – don’t use your iron as an immersion heater to warm your coffee – don’t hold the solder in your mouth while holding parts together over the iron (any more than you have to) and you’ll be okay. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It sucks. > There are certain pastes and formulations containing antimony and bismuth that > are supposed to be "compatible" with existing build processes. > Why anyone would rather have antimony and bismuth instead of lead is beyond me. > "Green" politics run amok, along with some protectionist motivations from the > EU is all it really is. > Some companies in the process industry are looking at alternatives, like > conductive epoxies. The other reason is that inductance from solder blobs is > starting to become significant in the speeds some stuff runs at today. > > First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder > >containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of > >soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to > >continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. > >US market apparently doesn’t care. > > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? > >– > >de N2MPU Jack FN20 > >Proud NRA member > — > Dr. Nuketopia > Sorry, no e-Mail. > Spam forgeries have resulted in thousands of faked bounces to my address.
Ron Delenda Carthago Est
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder >containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of >soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to >continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. >US market apparently doesn’t care. > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? > I hope your company isn’t implying that Europeans eat their circuit > boards. They’re not all French you know. > It can’t mean that lead-free solder does a GOOD job soldering if it’s > such a pain in the ass to solder with. > I’m using Kester because I don’t work for your company. So far it’s > the best solder I’ve ever used.
I use Kester at home for all my stuff (the kind with rosin core flux). Solders great. So I have to clean the connections with isopropyl alcohol after soldering – BFD! That water soluble shit we have to use at work (I’m in NJ) is a royal pain to solder right, if at all. Leaves all kinds of muck on the pc boards that doesn’t want to come off. I once asked why we use the water-soluble stuff and was told that it was mandated by the state of NJ. I found that hard to believe. I wonder if other states are as picky. — de N2MPU Jack FN20 Proud NRA member You can learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com/
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> I don’t know what lead-free electronic solder is, but the plumbing > stuff requires 800 degrees to melt!!
That kind of temperature would seriously damage the surface mount components we use. At least it’s not silver solder, which IIRC needs an even higher temp to solder. — de N2MPU Jack FN20 Proud NRA member You can learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com/
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> Hi, > Plumbers using for quite some time. > Must be OK, I guess. I did not hear them complaining.
A water tight pipe and a properly conductive electrical connection aren’t quite the same, though…
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Lead is serious shit. Children in particular should not be around it. For those >of us who don’t do much, so what? Plumbing code here changed in the early 90s. >The lead free solders take lots more heat, so much the code on copper went >heavier. I’m a chicken shit in amps, and will stick to lead in there. If I >worked every day or in production with the stuff I would expect my employer or self >to take precautions. >I know a logger, who in the days of leaded gas got pretty sick, yellow eyes and >all. turns out it was lead from the saws. I would not be so quick to hit the >’greens’ on this one. >The problem isn’t the amount of lead in your environment, it’s the amount in >your body. They stuff used in gas tetra ethyl lead (some such thing) was >absorbed quickly and thoroughly. Very poisonous stuff. >Soldering is not a big deal. Wash your hands – don’t light cigarettes with the >soldering iron – don’t use your iron as an immersion heater to warm your coffee >- don’t hold the solder in your mouth while holding parts together over the iron >(any more than you have to) and you’ll be okay.
Oh great, now I’ll have to walk to the microwave with my coffee cup! Would that be a good way to clean your tip, or would caffeine just give you a dirty solder joint? Pete — You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here.
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The antimony & tin (lead free) solder that plumbers use requires a hotter torch than the old lead/tin combo. I wouldn’t want to use it for electronic work unless they got the melting temp close to the same as lead. I suppose you could use a thinner gauge… epp
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > Plumbers using for quite some time. > Must be OK, I guess. I did not hear them complaining. > Tony > First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder > containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of > soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to > continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. > US market apparently doesn’t care. > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.?
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The thing is he was a 10 X 6 guy. He used more chain saw gas in a week than I’d use in a year. I think most of what I have on hand is 90 / 10. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I know a logger, who in the days of leaded gas got pretty sick, yellow > eyes and > all. turns out it was lead from the saws. I would not be so quick to hit > the > ‘greens’ on this one. Chris > the amount of lead in solder is somewhat less to the amount of lead he was > exposed to > > It sucks. > > There are certain pastes and formulations containing antimony and > bismuth that > > are supposed to be "compatible" with existing build processes. > > Why anyone would rather have antimony and bismuth instead of lead is > beyond me. > > "Green" politics run amok, along with some protectionist motivations > from the > > EU is all it really is. > > Some companies in the process industry are looking at alternatives, like > > conductive epoxies. The other reason is that inductance from solder > blobs is > > starting to become significant in the speeds some stuff runs at today. > > > First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder > > >containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of > > >soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to > > >continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free > solder. > > >US market apparently doesn’t care. > > > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, > etc.? > > >– > > >de N2MPU Jack FN20 > > >Proud NRA member > > — > > Dr. Nuketopia > > Sorry, no e-Mail. > > Spam forgeries have resulted in thousands of faked bounces to my > address.
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Don’t put beans in your ears. Yeah, those direct routs. Peace Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Lead is serious shit. Children in particular should not be around it. For those >of us who don’t do much, so what? Plumbing code here changed in the early 90s. >The lead free solders take lots more heat, so much the code on copper went >heavier. I’m a chicken shit in amps, and will stick to lead in there. If I >worked every day or in production with the stuff I would expect my employer or self >to take precautions. >I know a logger, who in the days of leaded gas got pretty sick, yellow eyes and >all. turns out it was lead from the saws. I would not be so quick to hit the >’greens’ on this one. > The problem isn’t the amount of lead in your environment, it’s the amount in > your body. They stuff used in gas tetra ethyl lead (some such thing) was > absorbed quickly and thoroughly. Very poisonous stuff. > Soldering is not a big deal. Wash your hands – don’t light cigarettes with the > soldering iron – don’t use your iron as an immersion heater to warm your coffee > – don’t hold the solder in your mouth while holding parts together over the iron > (any more than you have to) and you’ll be okay. >> It sucks. >> There are certain pastes and formulations containing antimony and bismuth that >> are supposed to be "compatible" with existing build processes. >> Why anyone would rather have antimony and bismuth instead of lead is beyond me. >> "Green" politics run amok, along with some protectionist motivations from the >> EU is all it really is. >> Some companies in the process industry are looking at alternatives, like >> conductive epoxies. The other reason is that inductance from solder blobs is >> starting to become significant in the speeds some stuff runs at today. >> > First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder >> >containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of >> >soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to >> >continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. >> >US market apparently doesn’t care. >> > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? >> >– >> >de N2MPU Jack FN20 >> >Proud NRA member >> — >> Dr. Nuketopia >> Sorry, no e-Mail. >> Spam forgeries have resulted in thousands of faked bounces to my address. > Ron > Delenda Carthago Est
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Well, a jittery quick one. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Lead is serious shit. Children in particular should not be around it. For those >>of us who don’t do much, so what? Plumbing code here changed in the early 90s. >>The lead free solders take lots more heat, so much the code on copper went >>heavier. I’m a chicken shit in amps, and will stick to lead in there. If I >>worked every day or in production with the stuff I would expect my employer or self >>to take precautions. >>I know a logger, who in the days of leaded gas got pretty sick, yellow eyes and >>all. turns out it was lead from the saws. I would not be so quick to hit the >>’greens’ on this one. >The problem isn’t the amount of lead in your environment, it’s the amount in >your body. They stuff used in gas tetra ethyl lead (some such thing) was >absorbed quickly and thoroughly. Very poisonous stuff. >Soldering is not a big deal. Wash your hands – don’t light cigarettes with the >soldering iron – don’t use your iron as an immersion heater to warm your coffee >- don’t hold the solder in your mouth while holding parts together over the iron >(any more than you have to) and you’ll be okay. > Oh great, now I’ll have to walk to the microwave with my coffee cup! > Would that be a good way to clean your tip, or would caffeine just > give you a dirty solder joint? > Pete > — > You don’t have to go home, > but you can’t stay here.
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Yup, lot’s of the new valves are not made to be disassembled, so the packing and seats are at risk. Silver is good, but ya got to lock it up! Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder >containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of >soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to >continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. >US market apparently doesn’t care. > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? > I had to use lead free solder when I re-did my plumbing… man what a > pain!! You have to get the pipes so hot you burn the studs they run > into!! I almost set the bathroom on fire heating up the shower > manifold! > I don’t know what lead-free electronic solder is, but the plumbing > stuff requires 800 degrees to melt!! > I won’t use it… I’m stock-piling regular solder…
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Im just a bit sensitive on the lead issue, having seen first hand permanently damaged kids. NRA folks may be interested that the Brits went to lead free rounds for their indoor ranges, years ago. I don’t think it’s a knee jerk thing, just prudent. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder > containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of > soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to > continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. > US market apparently doesn’t care. > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? > — > de N2MPU Jack FN20 > Proud NRA member > You can learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com/
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>Im just a bit sensitive on the lead issue, having seen first hand >permanently damaged kids. >NRA folks may be interested that the Brits went to lead free rounds for >their indoor ranges, years ago. I don’t think it’s a knee jerk thing, just >prudent. Chris
Indoor ranges here are requiring fully jacketed ammo too. The important thing for an indoor range is ventilation. Yeah a bullet can put lead in the air, but that’s nothing compared to the crap produced by the primer. One of my favorite ammo’s was a result of indoor range development, the old Federal Nyclad in 38 spl +P was invented so cops and FBI could train indoors with something basically identical to the duty load. > First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder > containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of > soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to > continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. > US market apparently doesn’t care. > Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? > — > de N2MPU Jack FN20 > Proud NRA member > You can learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com/
Ron Delenda Carthago Est
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>The problem isn’t the amount of lead in your environment, it’s the amount in >your body. They stuff used in gas tetra ethyl lead (some such thing) was >absorbed quickly and thoroughly. Very poisonous stuff.
It’s kind of funny. Seems like nobody remembers why they took the lead out of motor fuels. It had nothing to do with lead in the environment. (Unless you consider the inside of your catalytic convertor to be the environment). It was because it "poisoned" the catalytic convertors. -ray
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Hadn’t thought about the primer, ain’t it great thoe. 38 special is a comfey round. I haven’t hit an indoor range in 30 years. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Im just a bit sensitive on the lead issue, having seen first hand >permanently damaged kids. >NRA folks may be interested that the Brits went to lead free rounds for >their indoor ranges, years ago. I don’t think it’s a knee jerk thing, just >prudent. Chris > Indoor ranges here are requiring fully jacketed ammo too. The important thing > for an indoor range is ventilation. Yeah a bullet can put lead in the air, but > that’s nothing compared to the crap produced by the primer. > One of my favorite ammo’s was a result of indoor range development, the old > Federal Nyclad in 38 spl +P was invented so cops and FBI could train indoors > with something basically identical to the duty load. >> First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder >> containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of >> soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to >> continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. >> US market apparently doesn’t care. >> Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? >> — >> de N2MPU Jack FN20 >> Proud NRA member >> You can learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com/ > Ron > Delenda Carthago Est
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I know there were studies that showed road side produce ( growing not vended) containing elevated lead levels. That included fodder and, naturally milk. I don’t think there was a singular reason, in fact the catalytic converter may have been pivotal, but no way the singular reason. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The problem isn’t the amount of lead in your environment, it’s the amount in >your body. They stuff used in gas tetra ethyl lead (some such thing) was >absorbed quickly and thoroughly. Very poisonous stuff. > It’s kind of funny. Seems like nobody remembers why they took the lead > out of motor fuels. It had nothing to do with lead in the environment. > (Unless you consider the inside of your catalytic convertor to be the > environment). It was because it "poisoned" the catalytic convertors. > -ray
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>>The problem isn’t the amount of lead in your environment, it’s the amount in >your body. They stuff used in gas tetra ethyl lead (some such thing) was >absorbed quickly and thoroughly. Very poisonous stuff. >It’s kind of funny. Seems like nobody remembers why they took the lead >out of motor fuels. It had nothing to do with lead in the environment. >(Unless you consider the inside of your catalytic convertor to be the >environment). It was because it "poisoned" the catalytic convertors. >-ray
How many more catalytic converters must die?? Why? WHY??? Oh… the humanity!! Actually, I knew some hotrodders who were able to get their cars to pass the emissions tests even without the catalytic converters because they knew how to tune their cars properly. But which testing station you were at sort of determined how much you could get away with. I’m pretty sure that the test station guys walk around with a mirror on a stick these days, so they can look under your car to make sure that it’s there. But some guys just drained the beads anyhow. My ‘84 Chevy has a monolithic converter though, which is a bit different. Pete — You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here.
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38 specials are no fun. Neither are those 9mm peashooters. 357s are fun to shoot though, even the lighter rounds. 45acp is the most fun to shoot by a long shot though. For me, there’s no point in shooting if I’m not having fun. That’s one of the reasons I don’t bother with that rimfire shit anymore either. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hadn’t thought about the primer, ain’t it great thoe. 38 special is a comfey >round. I haven’t hit an indoor range in 30 years. Chris > >Im just a bit sensitive on the lead issue, having seen first hand > >permanently damaged kids. > >NRA folks may be interested that the Brits went to lead free rounds for > >their indoor ranges, years ago. I don’t think it’s a knee jerk thing, just > >prudent. Chris > Indoor ranges here are requiring fully jacketed ammo too. The important thing > for an indoor range is ventilation. Yeah a bullet can put lead in the air, but > that’s nothing compared to the crap produced by the primer. > One of my favorite ammo’s was a result of indoor range development, the old > Federal Nyclad in 38 spl +P was invented so cops and FBI could train indoors > with something basically identical to the duty load. > >> First the company I work for uses water soluble flux and solder > >> containing the same. I think most of us here that do any amount of > >> soldering think that shit sucks. Now, we’re told that to be able to > >> continue to sell our product in Europe, we have to use lead-free solder. > >> US market apparently doesn’t care. > >> Question is: anyone here know how well lead-free solder solders, etc.? > >> — > >> de N2MPU Jack FN20 > >> Proud NRA member > >> You can learn about rec.guns at http://www.recguns.com/ > Ron > Delenda Carthago Est
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Pete, Hell no you don’t. Just buy a couple more 100 watt irons , then cut a hole in your bench, and mount the irons tips in the center. Ensure that you use U-bolts to hold the irons, then place your mug in the center. It will keep your coffee hot. If you burn your face, you used the WRONG MUG. Hope this helps, Spike
<snippage> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Oh great, now I’ll have to walk to the microwave with my coffee cup!
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