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> > Others are >complaining about the newer KA stand mixers. Is Whirlpool sacrificing >KA quality, do you think? > Interesting since I understand that the small appliances (like the KA > stand mixers) did not go with the sale and may still be made by > KA/Hobart???
Hobart sold the entire KA line to Whirlpool in 1986. The commercial mixer line stayed with Hobart, which still makes 5-qt to 140-qt mixers. Those have Hobart badges, not KA. — Chris Green
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>I had my KA dishwasher service a few weeks ago. The service tech said that >they were having a lot of problems with the new models.
Did he happen to tell you what you should have bought? (I’m in the market 
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>I bought a KUDS01DJ (Expensive), but I consider it the rolls royce of >dishwashers. Used to have a Maytag for 15 years and thought I was so happy >until I experienced this. Quiet, lovely layout, stainless interior, and does >a superb job cleaning. None of the cons mentioned below. May there is a drop >moisture here and there at the end of a cylcle, but it is minimal. All >dishwashers have it somewhat.
I had bought the best KA out there it sucked. it took forever dishes hardly came clean it was a joke. it cost use a bit over 700.00 we replaced it with a maytag that cost less then 400.00 and it does 10 times as good. it cleans the dishes better without soap then the KA did with soap. — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. To subscribe to my good deals/beta testing/seconds email list send a email to
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>Did he happen to tell you what you should have bought? (I’m in the market
maytag Jet clean. even the cheepie one does far better then the top of the like KA I had. — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. To subscribe to my good deals/beta testing/seconds email list send a email to
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>Overall, this machine will work well, but I can’t say I’m blown away by >it. I’m just hoping it will last longer than my previous one.
If I may ask, how long did the previous one last?
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>>Did he happen to tell you what you should have bought? (I’m in the market >:) >maytag Jet clean. even the cheepie one does far better then the top of the >like >KA I had.
Thanks– I’ll check it out.
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> If I may ask, how long did the previous one last?
I don’t remember exactly, but I’m guessing it was 5 years old. — Steve Cohn
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Is a Maytag that different than a Kitchen-Aid? I am a bit mystified. Granted I do my own repairs, but the old Maytags are a piece of cake to repair and only the switch is expensive, so my 1979 model is still in service. That said, I hate the damn thing because it is so noisy. It cleans ok. My kids 1995 GE is so quiet, I think I will buy one even if it is less reliable. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Last week, I needed a new dishwasher. Since my current KitchenAid model >didn’t last very long, I thought I would replace it with a different >brand. But after searching these newsgroups, and talking to some repair >shops, I ended up buying another one, model KUDM01TJ. Here are my first >impressions: >Pros: > - Runs fairly quietly, though not "silent". > - Cleans quite well. > - Easy to operate. > - Adjustable racks and better layout make it > easier to load than my previous one. >Cons: > - Door feels very flimsy, especially compared > to my old one. > - When the cycle is finished, the dishes and > all the inner workings are still quite wet. > - The travel of the top rack’s slides is > short enough that it’s difficult to load/ > unload the rearmost dishes; especially if > your kitchen counter has a large overhang. >Overall, this machine will work well, but I can’t say I’m blown away by >it. I’m just hoping it will last longer than my previous one.
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Per previous post, my 1979 Maytag is/was so noisy I never would buy the brand again.. Is the Jet-Clean very quiet? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Did he happen to tell you what you should have bought? (I’m in the market >maytag Jet clean. even the cheepie one does far better then the top of the like >KA I had.
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>>Overall, this machine will work well, but I can’t say I’m blown away by >it. I’m just hoping it will last longer than my previous one. >If I may ask, how long did the previous one last?
They last as long as you want to repair them! There is nothing to a dishwasher. I cannot rationalize replacing one when they are so easy to repair. Unless you have boatloads of money, want to update your kitchen or don’t like they way they clean or the sound they make.
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> Last week, I needed a new dishwasher. Since my current KitchenAid model > didn’t last very long, I thought I would replace it with a different > brand. But after searching these newsgroups, and talking to some repair > shops, I ended up buying another one, model KUDM01TJ.
<snipped> KitchenAid was bought by Whirlpool, although I don’t know just when. Could that make a difference? I bought a KA washing machine last year thinking I’d get top of the line but learned later from r.f.e. that Whirlpool had bought them. The washer is fair. Others are complaining about the newer KA stand mixers. Is Whirlpool sacrificing KA quality, do you think? Dora
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>Per previous post, my 1979 Maytag is/was so noisy I never would buy >the brand again.. Is the Jet-Clean very quiet?
I got the cheepie one so it is noisy. but it is not a big deal to me. You have to pay dearly for quiet. but back then You got noise it was just the way of it (G) — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. To subscribe to my good deals/beta testing/seconds email list send a email to
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>My kids 1995 GE is so quiet, I think I will buy one even if it is less >reliable.
the most expensive upgrade in a dishwasher is the noise reduction. the rest of it is mostly flash. — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. To subscribe to my good deals/beta testing/seconds email list send a email to
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I have to concur with MH. Our KA (same model) is close to perfect in every way: quiet, very effective, built-in disposer means no need to scrape plates (this really works). We have two of them.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bought a KUDS01DJ (Expensive), but I consider it the rolls royce of > dishwashers. Used to have a Maytag for 15 years and thought I was so happy > until I experienced this. Quiet, lovely layout, stainless interior, and does > a superb job cleaning. None of the cons mentioned below. May there is a drop > moisture here and there at the end of a cylcle, but it is minimal. All > dishwashers have it somewhat. > Last week, I needed a new dishwasher. Since my current KitchenAid model > didn’t last very long, I thought I would replace it with a different > brand. But after searching these newsgroups, and talking to some repair > shops, I ended up buying another one, model KUDM01TJ. Here are my first > impressions: > Pros: > – Runs fairly quietly, though not "silent". > – Cleans quite well. > – Easy to operate. > – Adjustable racks and better layout make it > easier to load than my previous one. > Cons: > – Door feels very flimsy, especially compared > to my old one. > – When the cycle is finished, the dishes and > all the inner workings are still quite wet. > – The travel of the top rack’s slides is > short enough that it’s difficult to load/ > unload the rearmost dishes; especially if > your kitchen counter has a large overhang. > Overall, this machine will work well, but I can’t say I’m blown away by > it. I’m just hoping it will last longer than my previous one. > — > Steve Cohn
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>They last as long as you want to repair them! There is nothing to a >dishwasher. I cannot rationalize replacing one when they are so easy >to repair. Unless you have boatloads of money, want to update your >kitchen or don’t like they way they clean or the sound they make.
I didn’t think it was unwise when I replaced my JennAir after 5 years, when the drive shaft on the motor sheared for the second time (first time was covered by ‘hidden’ secret warranty) My previous GE that came with the house when it was built in 1975 was replaced in 1989 and according to the present owner the Kenmore (?) that replaced it is still running! Most appliances are not worth repairing, no matter how easy it may be to do because you usually find you are on a descending spiral of break downs and repairs, it is easier and cheaper to replace them after they outlive the original warranty period!
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> Others are >complaining about the newer KA stand mixers. Is Whirlpool sacrificing >KA quality, do you think?
Interesting since I understand that the small appliances (like the KA stand mixers) did not go with the sale and may still be made by KA/Hobart???
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: : >Per previous post, my 1979 Maytag is/was so noisy I never would buy : >the brand again.. Is the Jet-Clean very quiet? : > : : I got the cheepie one so it is noisy. but it is not a big deal to me. You have : to pay dearly for quiet. but back then You got noise it was just the way of it : (G) : We’ve just ordered the cheapest jet-clean model # MDB5100A based on the "salesperson" recommendation at Lowe’s. He told me to get this one instead of a cheaper Frigidiare dishwasher, because it is very quiet. My friend told me that all frigidiare dishwashers are very quiet even the cheapest/entry level one. My major concern is quietness. Should I cancel the order and order the frigidiare instead? Thanks, Richard : — : Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes : Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices : See http://www.knight-toolworks.com : For prices and ordering instructions. : To subscribe to my good deals/beta testing/seconds email list send a email to
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> > Others are >complaining about the newer KA stand mixers. Is Whirlpool sacrificing >KA quality, do you think? > Interesting since I understand that the small appliances (like the KA > stand mixers) did not go with the sale and may still be made by > KA/Hobart???
KA stand mixers are NOT made by Hobart. I doubt that any of the KA products, small or large, are made by Hobart
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> Since my current KitchenAid model didn’t last very long,
I’ve come to be pretty disgusted with KitchenAid. Our stand mixer is a robust workhorse, so when we needed a new blender, I got a KitchenAid. That seemed well designed and well built, so when we got a new refrigerator, we got a KitchenAid. Shortly after we got the fridge, the blender blades just separated from the shaft, perhaps a month out of warranty. Spouse contacted KitchenAid, who told her that they’d done a model change, and so we’d need a whole new glass blender jar, as well, for something very near the cost of a new machine. I wrote a disgusted letter – "thought I was buying quality" and all that – and they sent us the new jar for free. About a month ago, the plastic parts on the motor shaft that enage with the blender blades in the jar just totally stripped themselves – the motor is maybe three years old! And our less than two year old refrigerator is starting to run VERY noisy. Seems to me like they’re just trading on their name. The mixers may still be great, and my Mom’s KitchenAid dishwasher may have lasted 30 years, but a lot of the new stuff is flashy junk. — My Kylix book http://www.midnightbeach.com/kylix Consulting & contract programming http://www.midnightbeach.com Stale homeschool resources http://www.midnightbeach.com/hs
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> Seems to me like they’re just trading on their name. The mixers may > still be great, and my Mom’s KitchenAid dishwasher may have lasted 30 > years, but a lot of the new stuff is flashy junk.
There was a thread some time back on the KA mixers made since Whirlpool took over. Apparently, at least the newly-introduced (6 quart) model, supposed to be a workhorse, contained plastic gears and was giving purchasers a lot of trouble. I believe this may have been corrected. I hope Whirlpool isn’t ruining a good name in the interest of lower costs. Dora
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> Seems to me like they’re just trading on their name. The mixers may > still be great, and my Mom’s KitchenAid dishwasher may have lasted > 30 > years, but a lot of the new stuff is flashy junk. > There was a thread some time back on the KA mixers made since > Whirlpool took over. Apparently, at least the newly-introduced (6 > quart) model, supposed to be a workhorse, contained plastic gears and > was giving purchasers a lot of trouble. I believe this may have been > corrected. I hope Whirlpool isn’t ruining a good name in the interest > of lower costs.
I think that is exactly what is happening. Whirlpool/Kitchen Aid products may be about the same quality as other products at the same price point, but people are buying KA appliances with the expectation that they are superior. I imagine that in many cases people don’t even comparison shop. I had a moderately priced Hot Point washer that lasted over 20 years. When it broke I didn’t consider getting it fixed. I bought the top of the line Whirlpool and it broke in under 2 years and the tub started to rust. My 5 year old KA dishwasher has had a lot of repairs. It is on motor #3. I washes great and is quiet, but I hold my breath when I push the start button.
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I’ve been giving some consideration to replacing my 33 year old range and my 20 year old dishwasher and refrigerator for something that "looks" a bit better, but all of this talk is scaring me. The dishwasher has had no service calls, (a couple of things broke, but I fixed them myself. Neither was mechanical) the range has had one call, and the refrigerator has had none (again something broke but it was easy enough to diagnose and fix for myself.) Obviously, if my appliances are that old, I’m no spring chicken. However, I’d like the new stuff to outlive me, but the horror stories make me feel that it’s highly unlikely. Pat (Female, age 58)( Who also has a KitchenAid/Hobart Mixer and a KitchenAid/Robot Coupe food processor, both bought in the early 80’s and both of which have worked without problems since then). My motto? If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it or replace it.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Seems to me like they’re just trading on their name. The mixers may > > still be great, and my Mom’s KitchenAid dishwasher may have lasted > 30 > > years, but a lot of the new stuff is flashy junk. > There was a thread some time back on the KA mixers made since > Whirlpool took over. Apparently, at least the newly-introduced (6 > quart) model, supposed to be a workhorse, contained plastic gears and > was giving purchasers a lot of trouble. I believe this may have been > corrected. I hope Whirlpool isn’t ruining a good name in the interest > of lower costs. > I think that is exactly what is happening. Whirlpool/Kitchen Aid products > may be about the same quality as other products at the same price point, but > people are buying KA appliances with the expectation that they are superior. > I imagine that in many cases people don’t even comparison shop. I had a > moderately priced Hot Point washer that lasted over 20 years. When it broke > I didn’t consider getting it fixed. I bought the top of the line Whirlpool > and it broke in under 2 years and the tub started to rust. My 5 year old KA > dishwasher has had a lot of repairs. It is on motor #3. I washes great and > is quiet, but I hold my breath when I push the start button.
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> Overall, this machine will work well, but I can’t say I’m blown away by > it. I’m just hoping it will last longer than my previous one.
I had my KA dishwasher service a few weeks ago. The service tech said that they were having a lot of problems with the new models.
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I bought a KUDS01DJ (Expensive), but I consider it the rolls royce of dishwashers. Used to have a Maytag for 15 years and thought I was so happy until I experienced this. Quiet, lovely layout, stainless interior, and does a superb job cleaning. None of the cons mentioned below. May there is a drop moisture here and there at the end of a cylcle, but it is minimal. All dishwashers have it somewhat.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Last week, I needed a new dishwasher. Since my current KitchenAid model > didn’t last very long, I thought I would replace it with a different > brand. But after searching these newsgroups, and talking to some repair > shops, I ended up buying another one, model KUDM01TJ. Here are my first > impressions: > Pros: > – Runs fairly quietly, though not "silent". > – Cleans quite well. > – Easy to operate. > – Adjustable racks and better layout make it > easier to load than my previous one. > Cons: > – Door feels very flimsy, especially compared > to my old one. > – When the cycle is finished, the dishes and > all the inner workings are still quite wet. > – The travel of the top rack’s slides is > short enough that it’s difficult to load/ > unload the rearmost dishes; especially if > your kitchen counter has a large overhang. > Overall, this machine will work well, but I can’t say I’m blown away by > it. I’m just hoping it will last longer than my previous one. > — > Steve Cohn
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Last week, I needed a new dishwasher. Since my current KitchenAid model didn’t last very long, I thought I would replace it with a different brand. But after searching these newsgroups, and talking to some repair shops, I ended up buying another one, model KUDM01TJ. Here are my first impressions: Pros: – Runs fairly quietly, though not "silent". – Cleans quite well. – Easy to operate. – Adjustable racks and better layout make it easier to load than my previous one. Cons: – Door feels very flimsy, especially compared to my old one. – When the cycle is finished, the dishes and all the inner workings are still quite wet. – The travel of the top rack’s slides is short enough that it’s difficult to load/ unload the rearmost dishes; especially if your kitchen counter has a large overhang. Overall, this machine will work well, but I can’t say I’m blown away by it. I’m just hoping it will last longer than my previous one. — Steve Cohn
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