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Hey DeeTee, the blonde jole was toooooooo good! Thanks, made me laugh out loud. GaryZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  A blind man and his guide dog enter a bar and find their way to a bar >  stool. After ordering a drink and sitting there for a while, the > blind guy  yells to the bartender, "Hey, you wanna hear a blonde > joke?" >  The bar immediately becomes absolutely quiet. In a husky, deep voice >  the woman next to him says, "Before you tell that joke, you should > know the >  bartender is blonde, the bouncer is blonde, and I’m a 6′ tall, 200 > lb. >  blonde with a black belt in karate.  What’s more, the woman sitting > next to >  me is blonde, and she’s a weight lifter. The lady to your right is a > blonde, >  and she’s a wrestler.  Think about it seriously, Mister. You still > wanna >  tell that joke?" >  The blind guy says, "Nah, not if I’m gonna have to explain it five > times."

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I LUVED the Ghandi joke and sent it to some folks. Thanks! dawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which >  produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet. >  He also ate very little, which made him rather frail and with his odd >  diet he suffered from bad breath….. >  This made him….What? >  (Oh, man, this is so bad it’s good). . . . . . >  A super callused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis. >  *** >  Ban on Doctors might be a good thing!  Alarming Statistics… There > ought to >  be a law >  Number of physicians in the US: 700,000. >  Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year: 120,000. >  Accidental deaths per physician…. 0.171 (U.S. Dept. of Health & > Human >  Services) >  Number of gun owners in the US: 80,000,000. >  Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) 1,500. >  Accidental deaths per gun owner: 0.0000188 >  (* Benton County News Tribune on 17th of November, 1999). >  Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous >  than gun owners. >  "Remember, Not everyone has a gun, but everyone has at least one > Doctor." >  Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. >  We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand. >  Remember guns don’t kill people, doctors do! >  *** >  The "true" nature of barbecue… >  I recently received a description of the "true events" of a typical >  BBQ, which I noted were fairly listing on a female disposition, so I >  construed my own sequence of events, as seen by the man.  Both points >  of view are presented here for your enjoyment: >  Definition of Outdoor Barbecuing. >  It’s the only type of cooking a "real" man will do: >  When a man volunteers to do such cooking, the following chain of > events >  is put into motion: >  From a woman’s point of view: >  1. The woman goes to the store. >  2. The woman fixes the salad, vegetables, and dessert. >  3. The woman prepares the meat for cooking, places it on a tray along >  with the necessary cooking utensils, and takes it to the man, who is >  lounging beside the grill, drinking a cold beverage. >  4. The man places the meat on the grill. >  5. The woman goes inside to set the table and check the vegetables. >  6. The woman comes out to tell the man that the meat is burning. >  7. The man takes the meat off the grill and hands it to the woman. >  8. The woman prepares the plates and brings them to the table. >  9. After eating, the woman clears the table and does the dishes. >  10. The man asks the woman how she enjoyed "her night off." >  And, upon seeing her annoyed reaction, concludes that there’s just no >  pleasing some women! Boy, what us guy’s have to go through!!!! >  From a man’s point of view: >  1. The woman goes to the store, the man is embarrased for his wifes >  inability to pick out good cuts of meat, but says nothing to protect >  her feelings. >  2. The woman fixes the salad, vegetables, and dessert because her > "busy >  body" gene just will not allow her to sit down and relax for even 10 >  minutes, when really the man just wanted the meat and could do > without >  the salad, vegetables, and dessert because those things only > represent >  less meat that he will be able to consume. >  3. The woman looks through hundreds of cook-books, calls some > friends, >  and maybe even consults www.epicurious.com to find the "perfect" >  marinade for the meat while the man wonders why he can’t just grab a >  few sauces and spices from the cupboard and make up a marinade on the > spot. >  And remembering that he is generally not allowed in the kitchen while >  "the artist" is at work, the man relaxes out of the way outside by > the >  BBQ unit to make sure it retains adequate operating parameters. While >  wondering why the hell the BBQ utensils aren’t here with the unit and >  trying to determine where the woman may have hid them he enjoys a > cool >  beverage to quell the thirst brought on by sitting next to the hot > BBQ >  unit. >  4. When the woman finally appears with the meat and the lost > utensils, >  the man braves the leaping flames and blaring radiated heat of the > now >  opened BBQ unit, and puts the meat on the grate. >  5. The woman goes inside, unconcerned about the the safety of her > man, >  unimpressed by the fearlessness with which he attacks the flaming >  dragon with bare arms and face, and unappreciative of the way he > tames that >  beast and turns it into a viable cooking facility.  She apparently > has gone >  to check on those accursed filler foods (…if only there was some > way I >  could sneak in and get rid of those vegetables… the man thinks to >  himself). >  6. The woman comes out to nag the man about the meat overcooking or >  setting the house on fire, but he does not hear her because he is > busy >  flushing his eyes with the hose and cooling off his arms in > preparation >  for the next melee. >  7. After getting the meat out of the jaws of that fiery monster, he >  presents the sacrifice to the woman, who unexpectedly turns right >  around without a word of praise or acknowledgement. >  8. The woman sets the table INSIDE and prepares the plates.  Dejected >  about not being able to eat his handiwork in the fresh outdoors, the >  man comes in and sits heavily in his chair. >  9. After eating, the man goes outside to make sure the creature is >  still behaving and to clean the grate and make sure the animal is > bedded >  down properly so it will be able to provide the service again in the > future. >  The woman puts the dishes in the dishwasher and starts it up, but has >  to clean the salad bowl by hand because it doesn’t fit in the > dishwasher >  because it is full of all the other pots and pans and bowls that went >  into preparing all the other filler foods and that rat poison she >  soaked the meat with. >  10. The man, nonetheless satisfied after the meal, asks the woman to >  take a break and come sit with him to ponder their happiness > together. >  To which she responds coldly and with no regard for his feelings, > "When >  are you going to clean out that garage?" >  *** >  A blind man and his guide dog enter a bar and find their way to a bar >  stool. After ordering a drink and sitting there for a while, the > blind guy  yells to the bartender, "Hey, you wanna hear a blonde > joke?" >  The bar immediately becomes absolutely quiet. In a husky, deep voice >  the woman next to him says, "Before you tell that joke, you should > know the >  bartender is blonde, the bouncer is blonde, and I’m a 6′ tall, 200 > lb. >  blonde with a black belt in karate.  What’s more, the woman sitting > next to >  me is blonde, and she’s a weight lifter. The lady to your right is a > blonde, >  and she’s a wrestler.  Think about it seriously, Mister. You still > wanna >  tell that joke?" >  The blind guy says, "Nah, not if I’m gonna have to explain it five > times."

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Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which  produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet.  He also ate very little, which made him rather frail and with his odd  diet he suffered from bad breath…..  This made him….What?  (Oh, man, this is so bad it’s good). . . . . .  A super callused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis.  ***  Ban on Doctors might be a good thing!  Alarming Statistics… There ought to  be a law  Number of physicians in the US: 700,000.  Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year: 120,000.  Accidental deaths per physician…. 0.171 (U.S. Dept. of Health & Human  Services)  Number of gun owners in the US: 80,000,000.  Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) 1,500.  Accidental deaths per gun owner: 0.0000188  (* Benton County News Tribune on 17th of November, 1999).  Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous  than gun owners.  "Remember, Not everyone has a gun, but everyone has at least one Doctor."  Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.  We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand.  Remember guns don’t kill people, doctors do!  ***  The "true" nature of barbecue…  I recently received a description of the "true events" of a typical  BBQ, which I noted were fairly listing on a female disposition, so I  construed my own sequence of events, as seen by the man.  Both points  of view are presented here for your enjoyment:  Definition of Outdoor Barbecuing.  It’s the only type of cooking a "real" man will do:  When a man volunteers to do such cooking, the following chain of events  is put into motion:  From a woman’s point of view:  1. The woman goes to the store.  2. The woman fixes the salad, vegetables, and dessert.  3. The woman prepares the meat for cooking, places it on a tray along  with the necessary cooking utensils, and takes it to the man, who is  lounging beside the grill, drinking a cold beverage.  4. The man places the meat on the grill.  5. The woman goes inside to set the table and check the vegetables.  6. The woman comes out to tell the man that the meat is burning.  7. The man takes the meat off the grill and hands it to the woman.  8. The woman prepares the plates and brings them to the table.  9. After eating, the woman clears the table and does the dishes.  10. The man asks the woman how she enjoyed "her night off."  And, upon seeing her annoyed reaction, concludes that there’s just no  pleasing some women! Boy, what us guy’s have to go through!!!!  From a man’s point of view:  1. The woman goes to the store, the man is embarrased for his wifes  inability to pick out good cuts of meat, but says nothing to protect  her feelings.  2. The woman fixes the salad, vegetables, and dessert because her "busy  body" gene just will not allow her to sit down and relax for even 10  minutes, when really the man just wanted the meat and could do without  the salad, vegetables, and dessert because those things only represent  less meat that he will be able to consume.  3. The woman looks through hundreds of cook-books, calls some friends,  and maybe even consults www.epicurious.com to find the "perfect"  marinade for the meat while the man wonders why he can’t just grab a  few sauces and spices from the cupboard and make up a marinade on the spot.  And remembering that he is generally not allowed in the kitchen while  "the artist" is at work, the man relaxes out of the way outside by the  BBQ unit to make sure it retains adequate operating parameters. While  wondering why the hell the BBQ utensils aren’t here with the unit and  trying to determine where the woman may have hid them he enjoys a cool  beverage to quell the thirst brought on by sitting next to the hot BBQ  unit.  4. When the woman finally appears with the meat and the lost utensils,  the man braves the leaping flames and blaring radiated heat of the now  opened BBQ unit, and puts the meat on the grate.  5. The woman goes inside, unconcerned about the the safety of her man,  unimpressed by the fearlessness with which he attacks the flaming  dragon with bare arms and face, and unappreciative of the way he tames that  beast and turns it into a viable cooking facility.  She apparently has gone  to check on those accursed filler foods (…if only there was some way I  could sneak in and get rid of those vegetables… the man thinks to  himself).  6. The woman comes out to nag the man about the meat overcooking or  setting the house on fire, but he does not hear her because he is busy  flushing his eyes with the hose and cooling off his arms in preparation  for the next melee.  7. After getting the meat out of the jaws of that fiery monster, he  presents the sacrifice to the woman, who unexpectedly turns right  around without a word of praise or acknowledgement.  8. The woman sets the table INSIDE and prepares the plates.  Dejected  about not being able to eat his handiwork in the fresh outdoors, the  man comes in and sits heavily in his chair.  9. After eating, the man goes outside to make sure the creature is  still behaving and to clean the grate and make sure the animal is bedded  down properly so it will be able to provide the service again in the future.  The woman puts the dishes in the dishwasher and starts it up, but has  to clean the salad bowl by hand because it doesn’t fit in the dishwasher  because it is full of all the other pots and pans and bowls that went  into preparing all the other filler foods and that rat poison she  soaked the meat with.  10. The man, nonetheless satisfied after the meal, asks the woman to  take a break and come sit with him to ponder their happiness together.  To which she responds coldly and with no regard for his feelings, "When  are you going to clean out that garage?"  ***  A blind man and his guide dog enter a bar and find their way to a bar  stool. After ordering a drink and sitting there for a while, the blind guy  yells to the bartender, "Hey, you wanna hear a blonde joke?"  The bar immediately becomes absolutely quiet. In a husky, deep voice  the woman next to him says, "Before you tell that joke, you should know the  bartender is blonde, the bouncer is blonde, and I’m a 6′ tall, 200 lb.  blonde with a black belt in karate.  What’s more, the woman sitting next to  me is blonde, and she’s a weight lifter. The lady to your right is a blonde,  and she’s a wrestler.  Think about it seriously, Mister. You still wanna  tell that joke?"  The blind guy says, "Nah, not if I’m gonna have to explain it five times."

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Apologies. I know this topic has come up before, and will do a google search for previous threads. However, before I do that, I’d like to ask an extra question. I will be shopping for a new dishwasher soon. Most of the questions I see on this site ask for a dishwasher that (1) can clean, and (2) is quiet. I don’t care if my dishwasher is quiet. I don’t care if the neighbours can hear it from where they are. All I want is a dishwasher that can really really clean well. I’m talking getting grease off tupperware here. (My biggest problem is hauling out my rubbermaid containers to find a layer of grease on them, usually from gravy or spaghetti sauce) So my question is — do the noisy washers clean better than the quiet ones, and if so, can someone recommend one. Thanks, — skye

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The noise level of a dishwasher is related to how much insulation it has, especially in the door.  Cheap dishwashers have very little insulation. But more insulation does not lead to better cleaning. I have a mid-priced KitchenAid which is very quiet, but does not do a good job cleaning dried-on food on dishes and silverware (I have to rinse everything first).  Sorry I can’t recommend one that does clean well. – Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Apologies. > I know this topic has come up before, and will do a > google search for previous threads. However, before > I do that, I’d like to ask an extra question. > I will be shopping for a new dishwasher soon. Most of > the questions I see on this site ask for a dishwasher > that (1) can clean, and (2) is quiet. I don’t care > if my dishwasher is quiet. I don’t care if the neighbours > can hear it from where they are. All I want is a dishwasher > that can really really clean well. I’m talking getting > grease off tupperware here. (My biggest problem is > hauling out my rubbermaid containers to find a layer > of grease on them, usually from gravy or spaghetti > sauce) > So my question is — do the noisy washers clean better > than the quiet ones, and if so, can someone recommend > one. > Thanks, > — skye

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> The noise level of a dishwasher is related to how much insulation it > has, especially in the door.  Cheap dishwashers have very little > insulation. But more insulation does not lead to better cleaning. > I have a mid-priced KitchenAid which is very quiet, but does not do a > good job cleaning dried-on food on dishes and silverware (I have to > rinse everything first).  Sorry I can’t recommend one that does clean > well.

We’ve got an ASKO 1550 that we’ve had for approx. 6 years so far.. It was pretty expensive at the time (~$1300), wasn’t the top or bottom of their lines.  It works great regardless of what others have to say about it — Consumer Reports constantly is giving it a bad rap..  We’ve only had a couple minor problems with it that were related to what we shoved into it.  It’s remarkably quiet and gets crap off the dishes that my wife insists won’t come off without pre-rinsing.. I’ve heard others talk good things about another euro-brand (I’m thinking braun, but that’s not it!)   Oh well.. I’ll remember after this gets sent..

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Bosch, AEG, or Neff most likely – German.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > |I’ve heard others talk good > |things about another euro-brand (I’m thinking braun, but that’s not it!) > Miele? They make very good dishwashers. >     ==> LKR > Reply to me at cowandpig at qwest dot net > My address is set up this way to avoid endless spam — sorry for the inconvenience!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Apologies. >I know this topic has come up before, and will do a >google search for previous threads. However, before >I do that, I’d like to ask an extra question. >I will be shopping for a new dishwasher soon. Most of >the questions I see on this site ask for a dishwasher >that (1) can clean, and (2) is quiet. I don’t care >if my dishwasher is quiet. I don’t care if the neighbours >can hear it from where they are. All I want is a dishwasher >that can really really clean well. I’m talking getting >grease off tupperware here. (My biggest problem is >hauling out my rubbermaid containers to find a layer >of grease on them, usually from gravy or spaghetti >sauce) >So my question is — do the noisy washers clean better >than the quiet ones, and if so, can someone recommend >one. >Thanks, >– skye

We have a Maytag portable that is reasonably quiet, though not silent, but cleans really, really well.  We’ve had it for 3 years wit hno complaints.  Cost about $500. Dave

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dont get  ge. i love my kitchen aid or had good maytag

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> can hear it from where they are. All I want is a dishwasher > that can really really clean well. I’m talking getting > grease off tupperware here. (My biggest problem is > hauling out my rubbermaid containers to find a layer > of grease on them, usually from gravy or spaghetti

What temperature is your hot water?  Have you tried various brands of soap? With a grease problem, I’d be looking at the above two factors.  Most dishwashers are intended to have really hot water to do a good job of cleaning.  If your hot water tank is turned down to avoid burning children (or as a conservation measure), you might want to look for a new dishwasher that heats its own water, or, consider connecting an on-demand hot water supply to (your existing or new) dishwasher. Try this: turn your hot water tank up a notch or two after the children are in bed.  Wait an hour or so, then run your dishwasher.  If your dishers are clean, it may be you want to invest in getting hot water to the dishwasher rather than buying a new one.  DON’T FORGET TO PUT YOUR TANK BACK TO THE NORMAL SETTING SO YOUR CHILDREN DON’T GET BURNED. And, if you’ve never tried other brands of soap, you might want to try that, too. Another thing that may help, especially if your hot water tank is far from your dishwasher: run the hot water in your sink for a couple mins, until it is good and hot, before turning your dishwasher on. Good luck, Jean  :~)

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: What temperature is your hot water?  Have you tried various : brands of soap? Hi Jean, thanks for the input. (Obviously you can tell I’m not rapt about spending money on a new dishwasher) My hot water is hot enough to scald me (and I am not a small child), and I do run it for a few minutes before I start the dishwasher. I used to use cascade powder, switched briefly to Palmolive gel for three bottles, and now after this bottle finishes I will go back to powder. I’m considering the Cascade "complete" but it’s pricey. The dishwasher is about 12 years old. It’s a GE "potscrubber". All I know is it doesn’t do nearly as good a job as the machine in my previous house (a 4 year old GE, I think). I don’t have a manual to it, but did look at some online guides to try and figure out whether something was caught in a filter or something. Thanks everyone for the washer suggestions. I am hearing the same name brands out of this that I have heard in previous threads so I guess it’s time to wait for the memorial day sales… — skye

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I have yet to see a dishwasher that can clean spaghetti sauce off of rubbermaid, tupperware, or similar plastic. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > (My biggest problem is > hauling out my rubbermaid containers to find a layer > of grease on them, usually from gravy or spaghetti > sauce)

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When you take your dishes, glasses, tupperware, etc. from the table, do you rinse off the gravy and sauces in the sink, or merely scrape them off? If you rinse, you do not allow the enzymes in your detergent to "stick" to the dirt particles, so there’s nothing to clean. Try scraping with a spatula, then put into the dishwasher. Jeff Freedman University Place, Washington – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have yet to see a dishwasher that can clean spaghetti > sauce off of rubbermaid, tupperware, or similar plastic. > (My biggest problem is > hauling out my rubbermaid containers to find a layer > of grease on them, usually from gravy or spaghetti > sauce)

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says… > Bosch, AEG, or Neff most likely – German.

Bosch was the one I was thinking of.. I was thinking a "tool" manufacturer.. Oh well.. I’ve heard that many people like the Bosch as much as an Asko, but it’s cheaper..

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>When you take your dishes, glasses, tupperware, etc. >from the table, do you rinse off the gravy and sauces >in the sink, or merely scrape them off? >If you rinse, you do not allow the enzymes in your detergent >to "stick" to the dirt particles, so there’s nothing to clean. >Try scraping with a spatula, then put into the dishwasher. >Jeff Freedman >University Place, Washington > I have yet to see a dishwasher that can clean spaghetti > sauce off of rubbermaid, tupperware, or similar plastic.

Maybe what the other poster was saying is that tomato sauces *stain* rubbermaid, tupperware, etc.  I’ve found that to be true, but it doesn’t bother me any.  They’re equally well stained whether I wash them by hand or not. Dave

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Are you asking if I wash everything in the sink first, before placing it into the dishwasher?  :) I don’t have a problem with spaghetti sauce staining dishes and glasses, just plastic stuff like tupperware. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > When you take your dishes, glasses, tupperware, etc. > from the table, do you rinse off the gravy and sauces > in the sink, or merely scrape them off?

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Sometimes, whatever the situation might be, if I don’t know what to say or what is wrong, I’ll ask if there is something I can do to help. Example: A friend calls with sad news (death, breakup, fight, whatever.) You can’t "fix" the situation but maybe they need an errand run or babysit for a few hours or pick up their kid or spouse from work. Of course, you may have a spouse like mine who when asked this will shrug and say "I don’t know…" carol > Thanks, > I had to go to Walmart and have my

daughter’s car’s oil changed. > I bought a single red rose in a green vase for my wife. > In article

om>, > We sometimes forget that our partners

often have their own set of > problems.  I know I usually focus on

me, me, me.  I have to catch > myself a lot and remember to say, "How are you?" > Linda worn_out > >Why am I sensitive to the moods and needs of my wife? > >For the past 3 weeks I have felt

that my wife is angry with me.  She > >won’t talk to me.  She avoids being

near me. She doesn’t say good > night > >when we go to bed.  Her general mood

is that which I have seen on tv > >when the lady character is preparing

to mutilate her husband.

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OMG, I can relate to that shrug thing…. do you ever feel like just grabbing him by the face and screaming TALK TO ME!!!! Barbie Doll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sometimes, whatever the situation might > be, if I don’t know what to say or what > is wrong, I’ll ask if there is something > I can do to help. Example: A friend calls > with sad news (death, breakup, fight, > whatever.) You can’t "fix" the situation > but maybe they need an errand run or > babysit for a few hours or pick up their > kid or spouse from work. > Of course, you may have a spouse like > mine who when asked this will shrug and > say "I don’t know…" > carol > Thanks, > I had to go to Walmart and have my > daughter’s car’s oil changed. > I bought a single red rose in a green > vase for my wife. > In article > om>, > > We sometimes forget that our partners > often have their own set of > > problems.  I know I usually focus on > me, me, me.  I have to catch > > myself a lot and remember to say, > "How are you?" > > Linda > worn_out > > >Why am I sensitive to the moods and > needs of my wife? > > >For the past 3 weeks I have felt > that my wife is angry with me.  She > > >won’t talk to me.  She avoids being > near me. She doesn’t say good > night > > >when we go to bed.  Her general mood > is that which I have seen on tv > > >when the lady character is preparing > to mutilate her husband.

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> OMG, I can relate to that shrug thing…. do you ever feel like just > grabbing him by the face and screaming TALK TO ME!!!! > Barbie Doll

For the longest time I couldn’t figure him out. Every question from being given his choice of dinner to why are you slamming doors and swearing at me got "that" response. I think he really, honestly and truly doesn’t examine his moods, feelings or even choices to any extent. It’s as tho there is only the here & now, no introspection, you know like how a dog doesn’t "think" about his life, he just lives it as it comes along. Now if he shrugs when I ask him if he wants chicken or fish for dinner, I tell him he can go hungry and open myself a can of smoked oysters. I don’t mind not cooking. He hasn’t figured out that if he just chooses one, he gets dinner & no flack. And when he’s being pissy but doesn’t even know why, well, there’s more than one room in our house. He can go snarl someplace else til he cools off. He never does tell me what’s what but the problem goes back onto him and I don’t feel so frustrated. He’ll come back later & act like everything’s fine. And he thinks I’m the one with problems, that I’m the crazy one! LOL carol

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I gotta tell ya, its those little things that really help.  Even a stupid card printed from the internet will earn you major brownie points  It also shows that you care. L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Thanks, >I had to go to Walmart and have my daughter’s car’s oil changed. >I bought a single red rose in a green vase for my wife.

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So, is your husband’s name "Larry?"  It got to the point several years ago where I would say, "What would you like for dinner?" and he’d say, "I don’t know."  Then I’d tell him that I don’t know how to make that. Now I make what I want to, and if he eats it, fine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> OMG, I can relate to that shrug thing…. do you ever feel like just > grabbing him by the face and screaming TALK TO ME!!!! > Barbie Doll >For the longest time I couldn’t figure him out. Every question from being >given his choice of dinner to why are you slamming doors and swearing at me >got "that" response. I think he really, honestly and truly doesn’t examine >his moods, feelings or even choices to any extent. It’s as tho there is only >the here & now, no introspection, you know like how a dog doesn’t "think" >about his life, he just lives it as it comes along. Now if he shrugs when I >ask him if he wants chicken or fish for dinner, I tell him he can go hungry >and open myself a can of smoked oysters. I don’t mind not cooking. He hasn’t >figured out that if he just chooses one, he gets dinner & no flack. And when >he’s being pissy but doesn’t even know why, well, there’s more than one room >in our house. He can go snarl someplace else til he cools off. He never does >tell me what’s what but the problem goes back onto him and I don’t feel so >frustrated. He’ll come back later & act like everything’s fine. And he thinks >I’m the one with problems, that I’m the crazy one! LOL >carol

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> So, is your husband’s name "Larry?"  It got to the point several years > ago where I would say, "What would you like for dinner?" and he’d say, > "I don’t know."  Then I’d tell him that I don’t know how to make that. > Now I make what I want to, and if he eats it, fine.

LOL. No it’s Gary. Hmmm…Gary…Larry…s’pose they could’ve been separated at birth, after naming? carol

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I solved the eating problem years ago… I very rarely cook.  He complained 1 too many times and I threw away 1 too many meals… so I told him not to come home hungry, and if he is then there is cereal in the cupboard!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So, is your husband’s name "Larry?"  It got to the point several years > ago where I would say, "What would you like for dinner?" and he’d say, > "I don’t know."  Then I’d tell him that I don’t know how to make that. > Now I make what I want to, and if he eats it, fine. >> OMG, I can relate to that shrug thing…. do you ever feel like just >> grabbing him by the face and screaming TALK TO ME!!!! >> Barbie Doll >For the longest time I couldn’t figure him out. Every question from being >given his choice of dinner to why are you slamming doors and swearing at me >got "that" response. I think he really, honestly and truly doesn’t examine >his moods, feelings or even choices to any extent. It’s as tho there is only >the here & now, no introspection, you know like how a dog doesn’t "think" >about his life, he just lives it as it comes along. Now if he shrugs when I >ask him if he wants chicken or fish for dinner, I tell him he can go hungry >and open myself a can of smoked oysters. I don’t mind not cooking. He hasn’t >figured out that if he just chooses one, he gets dinner & no flack. And when >he’s being pissy but doesn’t even know why, well, there’s more than one room >in our house. He can go snarl someplace else til he cools off. He never does >tell me what’s what but the problem goes back onto him and I don’t feel so >frustrated. He’ll come back later & act like everything’s fine. And he thinks >I’m the one with problems, that I’m the crazy one! LOL >carol

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Alright!  Way to be, Barbie.  :) L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I solved the eating problem years ago… I very rarely cook.  He complained >1 too many times and I threw away 1 too many meals… so I told him not to >come home hungry, and if he is then there is cereal in the cupboard!

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They sound like twins to me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So, is your husband’s name "Larry?"  It got to the point several years > ago where I would say, "What would you like for dinner?" and he’d say, > "I don’t know."  Then I’d tell him that I don’t know how to make that. > Now I make what I want to, and if he eats it, fine. >LOL. No it’s Gary. Hmmm…Gary…Larry…s’pose they could’ve been separated >at birth, after naming? >carol

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I’ve got ya’ll beat!  I have just never cooked for him, therefore he can’t expect what he’s never gotten!  :-) — -judy ***To the world you might be one person, but to one person you might be the world.***

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Alright!  Way to be, Barbie.  :) > L >I solved the eating problem years ago… I very rarely cook.  He complained >1 too many times and I threw away 1 too many meals… so I told him not to >come home hungry, and if he is then there is cereal in the cupboard!

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Good Girl!  and remember… if you make one good meal for him you’ll be stuck in the kitchen!!!  :) Barbie Doll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve got ya’ll beat!  I have just never cooked for him, therefore he can’t > expect what he’s never gotten!  :-) > — > -judy > ***To the world you might be one person, > but to one person you might be the world.*** > Alright!  Way to be, Barbie.  :) > L > >I solved the eating problem years ago… I very rarely cook.  He > complained > >1 too many times and I threw away 1 too many meals… so I told him not > to > >come home hungry, and if he is then there is cereal in the cupboard!

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I told you I’d teach you how to cook.  Quick easy meals that are real cheap too.   L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Good Girl!  and remember… if you make one good meal for him you’ll be >stuck in the kitchen!!!  :) >Barbie Doll >> I’ve got ya’ll beat!  I have just never cooked for him, therefore he can’t >> expect what he’s never gotten!  :-) >> — >> -judy >My belly is growling and I’m single >For email replies remove the **** from my email address.

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informed me of this: <I’ve got ya’ll beat!  I have just never cooked for him, therefore he can’t <expect what he’s never gotten!  :-) Well I hope you don’t expect him to change the oil in the car or fix a flat or mow the yard or any of the many things that are traditionally guy jobs. I also think that it is telling that guys never seem to come back with this refute. We just go on and do our jobs and let the woman gain her freedom from those drudgery. Guys appear to be pretty stupid in these negotiations in the modern marriage. Remember that marriages that last are based on mutual sacrifice to each other. Without this, you will never bond together well enough to weather the rough times that will come. Good luck. Hopper

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Oh, Hopper, like that is all a woman does in her day… cook meals??  If a guy is difficult about it, why ’should’ we bother?? Barbie Doll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > informed me of this: > <I’ve got ya’ll beat!  I have just never cooked for him, therefore he > can’t > <expect what he’s never gotten!  :-) > Well I hope you don’t expect him to change the oil in the car or fix a > flat or mow the yard or any of the many things that are traditionally > guy jobs. I also think that it is telling that guys never seem to come > back with this refute. We just go on and do our jobs and let the woman > gain her freedom from those drudgery. Guys appear to be pretty stupid > in these negotiations in the modern marriage. Remember that marriages > that last are based on mutual sacrifice to each other. Without this, > you will never bond together well enough to weather the rough times > that will come. Good luck. > Hopper

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I’ve found that miscommunication is the cause of any friction between my wife and I. She cooks infrequently, but when she does she wants participation from me, like what to cook and setting the table. We make it an occasion since we do it so seldom. One thing she was doing wrong was assuming that I know she was going to cook. I need a clue. Also she had to learn that when I asked if she was going to cook was not an insult on how often she cooked. I just wanted to know if I needed to feed myself. She also had to understand that I could not choose what to eat because I didn’t know what was in the shelves. Once we got this straight everything started working better.  I have two kids and we try to get them involved too. The rest of the time it is just make your own and keeping enough fixins  on hand. I’ve found that sharing the task of getting the groceries is a good thing and I mean going to get them separately. Stocking the kitchen helps me know what is there and how to make it editable. But he has to want to do this and he has to understand what a big deal this is to you. I’ve learned a lot from my wife about the art of feeding and I think that I have been helpful myself. Now how do you get it through his head that it is in his best interest to learn? Starve him. You go eat out, don’t bring him anything and stop stocking the kitchen. I know that this is a pain in the butt to you, but it is worth it. <Oh, Hopper, like that is all a woman does in her day… cook meals?? If a <guy is difficult about it, why ’should’ we bother?? <Barbie Doll <

<> informed me of this: <> <> <I’ve got ya’ll beat!  I have just never cooked for him, therefore he <> can’t <> <expect what he’s never gotten!  :-) <> <> Well I hope you don’t expect him to change the oil in the car or fix a <> flat or mow the yard or any of the many things that are traditionally <> guy jobs. I also think that it is telling that guys never seem to come <> back with this refute. We just go on and do our jobs and let the woman <> gain her freedom from those drudgery. Guys appear to be pretty stupid <> in these negotiations in the modern marriage. Remember that marriages <> that last are based on mutual sacrifice to each other. Without this, <> you will never bond together well enough to weather the rough times <> that will come. Good luck. <> <> Hopper <

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> But he has to want to do this

i think this is the important part the ‘will’ has to be there from both some common goal together… if either partner is ‘difficult’ about contributing to a partnership, it will eventually suffer..  and he has to understand what a big deal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> this is to you. I’ve learned a lot from my wife about the art of > feeding and I think that I have been helpful myself. Now how do you > get it through his head that it is in his best interest to learn? > Starve him. You go eat out, don’t bring him anything and stop stocking > the kitchen. I know that this is a pain in the butt to you, but it is > worth it. > <Oh, Hopper, like that is all a woman does in her day… cook meals?? > If a > <guy is difficult about it, why ’should’ we bother?? > <Barbie Doll > < > <> informed me of this: > <> > <> <I’ve got ya’ll beat!  I have just never cooked for him, therefore > he > <> can’t > <> <expect what he’s never gotten!  :-) > <> > <> Well I hope you don’t expect him to change the oil in the car or > fix a > <> flat or mow the yard or any of the many things that are > traditionally > <> guy jobs. I also think that it is telling that guys never seem to > come > <> back with this refute. We just go on and do our jobs and let the > woman > <> gain her freedom from those drudgery. Guys appear to be pretty > stupid > <> in these negotiations in the modern marriage. Remember that > marriages > <> that last are based on mutual sacrifice to each other. Without > this, > <> you will never bond together well enough to weather the rough times > <> that will come. Good luck. > <> > <> Hopper > <

– "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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She also had to understand that I could not > choose what to eat because I didn’t know what was in the shelves.

This is the problem my wife & I have.  She will ask me what I want & I ask her what we have.  She usually won’t tell me. Sometimes she will say: "I have a frozen turkey, a frozen roast, etc"  In seeing that it is almost meal time, I really don’t have a choice. This is why during my hypomanic times we started eating out at every meal.  That is expensive.  Now that is not an option. I have started keeping some frozen food bars in the kitchen.

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<Oh, Hopper, like that is all a woman does in her day… cook meals?? If a <guy is difficult about it, why ’should’ we bother?? <Barbie Doll Oh I forgot to add this. My wife insisted and I went along with the policy of everybody helping with putting up the leftovers and putting your plates and utensils in the dishwasher before anybody leaves the kitchen. Now it is such a habit that I help clean up when I am at someone else’s house. It usually freaks them out. This policy has some side benefits. You start knowing where the kitchen utensils are!!! When I first wandered into the kitchen, I didn’t know where anything was or went. By doing some of the shopping and cooking and cleaning I know this. One problem that we first had was when I put things in a different place than her. She demanded that the kitchen remain her domain and that everything was done just like she wanted it. We boycotted her butt and she relented and now we all have some say in the way a meal gets made and cleaned up. You have to be willing to let go of some of your control if you want the man to get involved. I felt like a slave too much until I started demanding some kitchen rights. Funny how there is always too side to a coin. Another good point for me is that displaying my kitchen skills to another woman added to my already ample charms, makes me A1 prime husband material. It makes my wife appreciate me and grab me tight to keep some other woman from luring me away. This is a lot of fun for me.<g> That and the back rubs I give her every night makes up for any bipolar nonsense I might display. I think that she would fight for me. That’s nice. She is also secure enough in my love that a little jealousy only helps to strengthen our relationship. Now with all this going my way, why do I have to get depressed? BTW, We have been able to get to this point only with my medications. Before I was so cross most of the time that I didn’t have the patience to work on any of this. And the med that I credit most for this is pot. I wish I could be free of it but it still is the one thing that keeps me calm. I’m working on stopping smoking cigarettes. This will be the biggest triumph of my life when I beat that. It has eluded me so far. I tried a few weeks ago and failed. I’m working myself  back up for another try. I guess that I could work on my ego too. So much to do. Hopper

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That’s exactly why I gave up!  It’s not important to him… so fine.  I have gotten to the point that during the weeks that he is home, I’ve basically gone on strike, I refuse to do the housework since he is home all day pressing the sofa.  He is not able to figure out what to do on his own or if I try to ask him to help then he thinks that I am trying to control him… so I won’t do anything until he goes back to work and then I catch up on the housework.  I will give him credit though for starting to do the dishes. But then after this horrendous year I have finally gotten to the point where I am moving forward… with or with out him.  I stopped taking the Prozac last week, I was sleeping constantly, I feel really good right now.  I simply refuse to have to take an ad just to be married to him, I give up on trying to improve our life and concentrate on improving mine… he’s a big boy now and has to figure things out for himself, nothing I do can help him so he has to help himself……. Just wanted you to know where "I’m coming from" Barbie Doll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> feeding and I think that I have been helpful myself. Now how do you > get it through his head that it is in his best interest to learn? > Starve him. You go eat out, don’t bring him anything and stop stocking > the kitchen. I know that this is a pain in the butt to you, but it is > worth it. > <Oh, Hopper, like that is all a woman does in her day… cook meals?? > If a > <guy is difficult about it, why ’should’ we bother?? > <Barbie Doll > < > <> informed me of this: > <> > <> <I’ve got ya’ll beat!  I have just never cooked for him, therefore > he > <> can’t > <> <expect what he’s never gotten!  :-) > <> > <> Well I hope you don’t expect him to change the oil in the car or > fix a > <> flat or mow the yard or any of the many things that are > traditionally > <> guy jobs. I also think that it is telling that guys never seem to > come > <> back with this refute. We just go on and do our jobs and let the > woman > <> gain her freedom from those drudgery. Guys appear to be pretty > stupid > <> in these negotiations in the modern marriage. Remember that > marriages > <> that last are based on mutual sacrifice to each other. Without > this, > <> you will never bond together well enough to weather the rough times > <> that will come. Good luck. > <> > <> Hopper > <

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Yeah well… I can’t afford to overnight your meals to you every day. lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I told you I’d teach you how to cook.  Quick easy meals that are real >cheap too.   >L >That’s your job missy!!!!!!! >For email replies remove the **** from my email address.

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Have you ever considered that you have become "one in a million"?   I would love to have such cooperation… maybe I should start growing some good plants Barbie Doll

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <Oh, Hopper, like that is all a woman does in her day… cook meals?? > If a > <guy is difficult about it, why ’should’ we bother?? > <Barbie Doll > Oh I forgot to add this. My wife insisted and I went along with the > policy of everybody helping with putting up the leftovers and putting > your plates and utensils in the dishwasher before anybody leaves the > kitchen. Now it is such a habit that I help clean up when I am at > someone else’s house. It usually freaks them out. > This policy has some side benefits. You start knowing where the > kitchen utensils are!!! When I first wandered into the kitchen, I > didn’t know where anything was or went. By doing some of the shopping > and cooking and cleaning I know this. One problem that we first had > was when I put things in a different place than her. She demanded that > the kitchen remain her domain and that everything was done just like > she wanted it. We boycotted her butt and she relented and now we all > have some say in the way a meal gets made and cleaned up. You have to > be willing to let go of some of your control if you want the man to > get involved. I felt like a slave too much until I started demanding > some kitchen rights. > Funny how there is always too side to a coin. > Another good point for me is that displaying my kitchen skills to > another woman added to my already ample charms, makes me A1 prime > husband material. It makes my wife appreciate me and grab me tight to > keep some other woman from luring me away. This is a lot of fun for > me.<g> > That and the back rubs I give her every night makes up for any bipolar > nonsense I might display. I think that she would fight for me. That’s > nice. > She is also secure enough in my love that a little jealousy only helps > to strengthen our relationship. > Now with all this going my way, why do I have to get depressed? > BTW, We have been able to get to this point only with my medications. > Before I was so cross most of the time that I didn’t have the patience > to work on any of this. And the med that I credit most for this is > pot. I wish I could be free of it but it still is the one thing that > keeps me calm. I’m working on stopping smoking cigarettes. This will > be the biggest triumph of my life when I beat that. It has eluded me > so far. I tried a few weeks ago and failed. I’m working myself  back > up for another try. > I guess that I could work on my ego too. So much to do. > Hopper

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I cannot believe what I just read from you guys…. lol  You can’t L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >She also had to understand that I could not > choose what to eat because I didn’t know what was in the shelves. >This is the problem my wife & I have.  She will ask me what I want & I >ask her what we have.  She usually won’t tell me. Sometimes she will >say: "I have a frozen turkey, a frozen roast, etc"  In seeing that it >is almost meal time, I really don’t have a choice. >This is why during my hypomanic times we started eating out at every >meal.  That is expensive.  Now that is not an option. >I have started keeping some frozen food bars in the kitchen.

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Why am I sensitive to the moods and needs of my wife? For the past 3 weeks I have felt that my wife is angry with me.  She won’t talk to me.  She avoids being near me. She doesn’t say good night when we go to bed.  Her general mood is that which I have seen on tv when the lady character is preparing to mutilate her husband. Why would she be this way? I am not aware of anything I have done.  My mood has been stable & I have been nice. She stopped taking her Celexa 3 weeks ago, cold turkey. Sensitivity: A Story 24 years ago, one evening I kept asking my wife to make me a lime freeze.  She asked me to make it myself.  I responded that she makes it better than I do.  She finally relented and made me one. 30 minutes later, she told me that she needed to go to the hospital. 20 minutes lager she gave birth to our daughter.  I felt like a PIG! She is a very private person.  She had been in labor for 24 hours and never once informed me of it. She is different about a lot of things: We’ve been married for 30 years and I have been unable to get her to go to the dentist. She goes to the doctor only when I nag, nag, nag. Anyone in our family who is sick had better be ready for the emergency room before telling her.  She doesn’t believe in being sick.  She doesn’t like doctors. ******* I did learn to be a much more sensitive husband.  But, I am not perfect.

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We sometimes forget that our partners often have their own set of problems.  I know I usually focus on me, me, me.  I have to catch myself a lot and remember to say, "How are you?"   I think a lot of how your wife feels is based on the beliefs she grew up with.  Things that may have happened to her along the way.  The same with us…. only we have a twist.  Her "anger" at you right now is probably related to the withdraw of the Celexa.   Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Why am I sensitive to the moods and needs of my wife? >For the past 3 weeks I have felt that my wife is angry with me.  She >won’t talk to me.  She avoids being near me. She doesn’t say good night >when we go to bed.  Her general mood is that which I have seen on tv >when the lady character is preparing to mutilate her husband. >Why would she be this way? >I am not aware of anything I have done.  My mood has been stable & I >have been nice. >She stopped taking her Celexa 3 weeks ago, cold turkey. >Sensitivity: >A Story >24 years ago, one evening I kept asking my wife to make me a lime >freeze.  She asked me to make it myself.  I responded that she makes it >better than I do.  She finally relented and made me one. >30 minutes later, she told me that she needed to go to the hospital. >20 minutes lager she gave birth to our daughter.  I felt like a PIG! >She is a very private person.  She had been in labor for 24 hours and >never once informed me of it. >She is different about a lot of things: >We’ve been married for 30 years and I have been unable to get her to go >to the dentist. >She goes to the doctor only when I nag, nag, nag. >Anyone in our family who is sick had better be ready for the emergency >room before telling her.  She doesn’t believe in being sick.  She >doesn’t like doctors. >******* >I did learn to be a much more sensitive husband.  But, I am not perfect.

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Thanks, I had to go to Walmart and have my daughter’s car’s oil changed. I bought a single red rose in a green vase for my wife. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We sometimes forget that our partners often have their own set of > problems.  I know I usually focus on me, me, me.  I have to catch > myself a lot and remember to say, "How are you?" > I think a lot of how your wife feels is based on the beliefs she grew > up with.  Things that may have happened to her along the way.  The > same with us…. only we have a twist.  Her "anger" at you right now > is probably related to the withdraw of the Celexa. > Linda >Why am I sensitive to the moods and needs of my wife? >For the past 3 weeks I have felt that my wife is angry with me.  She >won’t talk to me.  She avoids being near me. She doesn’t say good night >when we go to bed.  Her general mood is that which I have seen on tv >when the lady character is preparing to mutilate her husband. >Why would she be this way? >I am not aware of anything I have done.  My mood has been stable & I >have been nice. >She stopped taking her Celexa 3 weeks ago, cold turkey. >Sensitivity: >A Story >24 years ago, one evening I kept asking my wife to make me a lime >freeze.  She asked me to make it myself.  I responded that she makes it >better than I do.  She finally relented and made me one. >30 minutes later, she told me that she needed to go to the hospital. >20 minutes lager she gave birth to our daughter.  I felt like a PIG! >She is a very private person.  She had been in labor for 24 hours and >never once informed me of it. >She is different about a lot of things: >We’ve been married for 30 years and I have been unable to get her to go >to the dentist. >She goes to the doctor only when I nag, nag, nag. >Anyone in our family who is sick had better be ready for the emergency >room before telling her.  She doesn’t believe in being sick.  She >doesn’t like doctors. >******* >I did learn to be a much more sensitive husband.  But, I am not perfect.

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Doesn’t owning a dishwasher take all the fun out of owning birds?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We recently purchased a Kenmore Ultra Wash.  All I really have to do is make > sure there are no bones left on the plate!  It works great at removing the > leftovers from everything.  It does have a grinder so everything goes right > down the drain.  Our TAG’s bowls are also washed in it.  Hope this helps, I > hate washing dishes too! > Gina > We use a dish washer but we do rinse. I have seen some adds for a > machine that is supposed to be able to handle junk left on better. Can’t > remember now what brand it was. the commercial sounded like what you > just said. Why wash your dishes before you wash them <BG>.  Maybe take a > trip into town and see one of the big appliance stores? > as much as I would like all the guys to believe that I get my Wonderful > wife to wash all my bird dishes I actually do them myself. Hey I use a > dishwasher, had to get one when the kids grew up and moved out. Anyway, > I end up doing at least two loads of bird dishes a day. Now the problem, > I just spent a half hour for the second time this month tearing that > durn machine apart to blow out the hoses. See the seeds get filtered at > the strainer, except some of them don’t……. Now wonderful wife says > to rinse each dish before it goes into the washer, and I reply with a > "golly kind of defeats the purpose of having a dishwasher, hey?" Anyone > out there use a dishwasher on your bird dishes and do you get the joy of > unplugging hoses and is there a dishwasher made that will strain and > drain with out pain? > Bob W > — > Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false > >"You can have peace.Or you can have freedom. > > Don’t ever count on having both at once." > >Lazarus Long

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There you go Bob. The dishwasher for the lazy bird owner <VBG>.   Of course if you have to have warranty service done on it I don’t think I would mention the bird bowles. If the service man says he found some strange stuff in it when fixing just shrug and say "musta been the wife". That is of course as long as she is not home at the time. We recently purchased a Kenmore Ultra Wash. All I really have to do is make sure there are no bones left on the plate! It works great at removing the leftovers from everything. It does have a grinder so everything goes right down the drain. Our TAG’s bowls are also washed in it. Hope this helps, I hate washing dishes too! Gina We use a dish washer but we do rinse. I have seen some adds for a machine that is supposed to be able to handle junk left on better. Can’t remember now what brand it was. the commercial sounded like what you just said. Why wash your dishes before you wash them <BG>. Maybe take a trip into town and see one of the big appliance stores?

as much as I would like all the guys to believe that I get my Wonderful wife to wash all my bird dishes I actually do them myself. Hey I use a dishwasher, had to get one when the kids grew up and moved out. Anyway, I end up doing at least two loads of bird dishes a day. Now the problem, I just spent a half hour for the second time this month tearing that durn machine apart to blow out the hoses. See the seeds get filtered at the strainer, except some of them don’t……. Now wonderful wife says to rinse each dish before it goes into the washer, and I reply with a "golly kind of defeats the purpose of having a dishwasher, hey?" Anyone out there use a dishwasher on your bird dishes and do you get the joy of unplugging hoses and is there a dishwasher made that will strain and drain with out pain? Bob W — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false "You can have peace.Or you can have freedom. Don’t ever count on having both at once." Lazarus Long

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We recently purchased a Kenmore Ultra Wash.  All I really have to do is make sure there are no bones left on the plate!  It works great at removing the leftovers from everything.  It does have a grinder so everything goes right down the drain.  Our TAG’s bowls are also washed in it.  Hope this helps, I hate washing dishes too! Gina

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We use a dish washer but we do rinse. I have seen some adds for a > machine that is supposed to be able to handle junk left on better. Can’t > remember now what brand it was. the commercial sounded like what you > just said. Why wash your dishes before you wash them <BG>.  Maybe take a > trip into town and see one of the big appliance stores? > as much as I would like all the guys to believe that I get my Wonderful > wife to wash all my bird dishes I actually do them myself. Hey I use a > dishwasher, had to get one when the kids grew up and moved out. Anyway, > I end up doing at least two loads of bird dishes a day. Now the problem, > I just spent a half hour for the second time this month tearing that > durn machine apart to blow out the hoses. See the seeds get filtered at > the strainer, except some of them don’t……. Now wonderful wife says > to rinse each dish before it goes into the washer, and I reply with a > "golly kind of defeats the purpose of having a dishwasher, hey?" Anyone > out there use a dishwasher on your bird dishes and do you get the joy of > unplugging hoses and is there a dishwasher made that will strain and > drain with out pain? > Bob W > — > Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false >"You can have peace.Or you can have freedom. > Don’t ever count on having both at once." >Lazarus Long

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Just wondering…cause it doesn’t seem like you get the full version that way. Anyway, Brian’s my husband. HAVE A GREAT NEW YEAR!! And stay safe and warm! Lorraine

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is there a reason why you don’t use the complete message? Did you only like > parts of it? > I quote only the parts of a post to which I’m responding.  I’m not going > to quote a passage that’s either irrelevant, or to add a "me too!" > It’s basically just editing your followups.  You can learn more on > news.announce.newusers, here, or use it as a keyword on a web search. > Who’s Brian?  :P > Jack > — > aka Keet    Visit my web page at http://junior.apk.net/~jac/ >  * If you post a followup, -DO NOT- email me a copy of it! * >     "Most people are on the world, not in it" – John Muir

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<Is there a reason why you don’t use the complete message? Did you only like <parts of it? Because Usenet etiquette is specific about the need to delete all but the pertinent parts of the post that you’re responding to.  Not only that, but you’re supposed to put your reply below the trimmed quoted material to which you are replying.  True, that’s not in the formal RFCs, but it’s widely accepted, and has been since the inception of Usenet. Vicki — (This link works!) Bring Dejanews back to life!  See the petition at http://www2.petitiononline.com/dejanews/petition.html and sign it. Help bring back a valuable Usenet resource!

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>He said to tell you that even though >some manufacturers advertise less rinsing, there is really not a residential >machine that eliminates it entirely.  You would have to go with a commercial >unit in regards to bird seeds..which arn’t soft.

Simple enough solution, Garbage Disposal for seeds and garbage, poop etc.. Dish Washer for cleaning dishes. HAPPY NEW YEAR I’m delighted with my brand new Maytag DisheWasher that was delivered December 28 or this week. I bought a top line Whirlpool two and half years ago.  I removed the ‘HotPoint’ working dishwasher with the scare of them catching on fire to replace with the Whirlpool. Top of the line with 13 push pads everything that I thought I needed to take care of my needs with my birds and myself. I also bought the top of the line Garbage Disposel and had this installed as well the DishWasher. Needless to say, just a very few months after my warranty ran out the motor burned up in this Whirlpool  Dishwasher…and that is with my birds not being fed seeds…and my throwing everything down the Garbage Disposel. The repairman said it was one out of five thousand machines to break down At any rate, Home Depot helped me out with this a bit….and according to them Dishwashers have had such a change withint the last two years that I would want a newer machine anyway.  It seems the interrior door of the whirlpool where my knives, forks, spoons, etc..were placed didn’t get any water at all..Just the sprinkle off the jet. What a difference in the machines of just two years ago.  I really like my newer Dish Washer so much better and it is so silent. plus the newer feature is it also ‘Sanitizes’. My suggestion to those who have the question of throwing food into your dishwasher is ‘no’ throw it into a high grade Garbage Disposal.  Most residential Machines count on Enzymes to eat away that cake you see advertised that is in the ’soap’ that is used or advertised. I’d like to know more about those enzymes that are used in our Dishwasher Soaps…that might be my question… Cherane Pefley hyacinthinemacaws.com exoticbirdbreeders.com Founder/Executive Director-Aviculture Microbiology Foundation, Inc. A Non-Profit National/International Specialty Foundation of AFA http://www.afa.birds.org/clublist/national.html

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Is there a reason why you don’t use the complete message? Did you only like parts of it? Lorraine

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> > Oh…and bleach is great if you wash by hand…but don’t use the "new > and >> > improved bleach" It has lye in it which is VERY hard to get off stuff > and >> > will kill your birds! >> What if you dilute it about 10:1, clean the toys, then soak them in water, >> and give a final rinse under the faucet?  Do you still believe there’ll be >> enough left on them to cause a bird any harm? > Well hi again Jack!!! > Glad to here from you again! Your right that would stop the problem. > Glad you concur. > Is it still as beautiful where you are today Jack! Sure Hope so! > HAVE A GOOD ONE!! > Oh most definitely! > Jack > — > aka Keet    Visit my web page at http://junior.apk.net/~jac/ >  * If you post a followup, -DO NOT- email me a copy of it! * >     "Most people are on the world, not in it" – John Muir

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That is probably best. The president to the parrot foundation is the one who told us about the bleach. This had cause allot of problem with foster parent. Bleach is what they clean EVERYTHING with. We are dealing with allot of sick birds and birds that are being quarantined before adoption. And problem arose when they change the formula. No one should believe everything completely…but do take it as food for thought and if you find that a problem starts that you can’t pin point…take into consideration that this MIGHT be apart of it. The foundation deals with A&M vets on most of this. So if they are concerned….that’s enough for me. But then it shouldn’t be for ya’ll. Cause you have no ideal who I am! SMILE! Lorraine

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> wouldn’t soaking your bird dishes in anti-bacterial dish soap do the trick? > thats what I’ve been doing for a number of years and my birds haven’t gotten > sick. >                                                           John > I asked my husband about this, as he is a technical support tech for > Amana.. > He has 20 years in appliances tech.  He said to tell you that even though > some manufacturers advertise less rinsing, there is really not a > residential > machine that eliminates it entirely.  You would have to go with a > commercial > unit in regards to bird seeds..which arn’t soft. > > as much as I would like all the guys to believe that I get my Wonderful > wife > > to wash all my bird dishes I actually do them myself.  Hey I use a > > dishwasher, had to get one when the kids grew up and moved out. Anyway, > I > > end up doing at least two loads of bird dishes a day.  Now the problem, > I > > just spent a half hour for the second time this month tearing that durn > > machine apart to blow out the hoses.  See the seeds get filtered at the > > strainer, except some of them don’t…….  Now wonderful wife says to > rinse > > each dish before it goes into the washer, and I reply with a "golly kind > of > > defeats the purpose of having a dishwasher, hey?"  Anyone out there use > a > > dishwasher on your bird dishes and do you get the joy of unplugging > hoses > > and is there a dishwasher made that will strain and drain with out pain? > > Bob W > > — > > Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false

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wouldn’t soaking your bird dishes in anti-bacterial dish soap do the trick? thats what I’ve been doing for a number of years and my birds haven’t gotten sick.                                                           John

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I asked my husband about this, as he is a technical support tech for Amana.. > He has 20 years in appliances tech.  He said to tell you that even though > some manufacturers advertise less rinsing, there is really not a residential > machine that eliminates it entirely.  You would have to go with a commercial > unit in regards to bird seeds..which arn’t soft. > as much as I would like all the guys to believe that I get my Wonderful wife > to wash all my bird dishes I actually do them myself.  Hey I use a > dishwasher, had to get one when the kids grew up and moved out.  Anyway, I > end up doing at least two loads of bird dishes a day.  Now the problem, I > just spent a half hour for the second time this month tearing that durn > machine apart to blow out the hoses.  See the seeds get filtered at the > strainer, except some of them don’t…….  Now wonderful wife says to rinse > each dish before it goes into the washer, and I reply with a "golly kind of > defeats the purpose of having a dishwasher, hey?"  Anyone out there use a > dishwasher on your bird dishes and do you get the joy of unplugging hoses > and is there a dishwasher made that will strain and drain with out pain? > Bob W > — > Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false

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A while back when this subject came up a guy who claimed to work for them posted about it. He said that Clorox

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Does anyone know how to get rid of the ants inside the house without using chemicals?  I’ve been tracing ant trails and plugging up the holes, but they invariably turn up somewhere else.  I have sprayed Ant Kill outside the house but it appears to have no impact on the ants inside. Regards, — | Chul Hyun Kim               | GTAC IMAN Support           | | 714-952-5711                | 10824 Hope Street           | | 714-952-5371 (Fax)          | Cypress Pointe #164         | | 800-955-0000-3-(IR#)        | Cypress, CA 90630           |

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A friend of mine said that she wished she had sprayed the entire base of the house when it was built- when it was framed in, but no drywall put up. She actually went around with a regular can of ant spray. I’ve never heard of this as a way of preventing carpenter ants *forever*. Do you have regular ants or wood-eating ants? Ilene B – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Does anyone know how to get rid of the ants inside the house without > using chemicals?  I’ve been tracing ant trails and plugging up the > holes, but they invariably turn up somewhere else.  I have sprayed Ant > Kill outside the house but it appears to have no impact on the ants > inside. > Regards,

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this doesn’t get rid of them , but a spray bottle of soap and water or even just a household cleaner like 409 will kill them instantly and make cleanup easy, too!  It’s good for in the kitchen where you really don’t want the pesticide. I was also told once that cornstarch kills them by expanding in their bellies and exploding them.  Not sure if this is so or not but you could try. I had terminix out recently and had NO ants for several months…they sprayed outside and put some granules in the lawn they said.  I don’t know what the pesticide is. good luck!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does anyone know how to get rid of the ants inside the house without > using chemicals?  I’ve been tracing ant trails and plugging up the > holes, but they invariably turn up somewhere else.  I have sprayed Ant > Kill outside the house but it appears to have no impact on the ants > inside. > Regards, > — > | Chul Hyun Kim               | GTAC IMAN Support           | > | 714-952-5711                | 10824 Hope Street           | > | 714-952-5371 (Fax)          | Cypress Pointe #164         | > | 800-955-0000-3-(IR#)        | Cypress, CA 90630           |

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> this doesn’t get rid of them , but a spray bottle of soap and water or even > just a household cleaner like 409 will kill them instantly and make cleanup > easy, too!  It’s good for in the kitchen where you really don’t want the > pesticide.

Instead of turning a cleaner into a pesticide that is as, and probably more toxic than any over the counter household spray why not get a product that is by design to kill insects and then break down and disappear. You will find the words of Danger, and Warning on your jugs of bleach and dishwasher detergents but caution on your can of raid..go figure. I have heard of toddlers dying after consuming rubbing alcohol, or getting brain damage from getting into an unlocked liquor cabinet, but can you say you have heard of anything nearly as serious from a treatment for ants?     Identifying the ants is the key. If it a small ant it might be foragers from a nest on the outer wall and controlling that will help. There is a tiny reddish ant that lives in the wall and spraying for them actually makes the problem worse. Try the various baits in the "ant hotels". The foragers eat the bait then feed the rest of the ants in the colony, but once again the different types of ants have different diets..some proteins..some sugars.. so it would help knowing what you are fighting. If it is a large ant, chances are it will be carpenter ants nesting in the wall area, and treatment of the nest itself might have to be done. Lar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I tried stakes that worked well for regular house type ants –the little brown/black type that are maybe an eighth inch long–Grants Kills Ants. Tried several of the other name brands and they did not work.  these are the ones with the little metal case at the top of a ribbed plastic stake.  You have to wet the opening in the metal case where some gel-goo stuff is, and lay them around or put them in the ground outside (I stuck them in the corners on the floor of the kitchen and in the cupboard with the garbage pail.  Worked great. But on counters I still go with dish soap and water in a spray bottle (If it’s safe on my dishes, I’m good with it) or 409.  I think all pesticides will cause problems when we’re old & gray–look at the Dursban Ban. Whenever I can avoid breathing or touching that stuff, I do prefer to.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> this doesn’t get rid of them , but a spray bottle of soap and water or even > just a household cleaner like 409 will kill them instantly and make cleanup > easy, too!  It’s good for in the kitchen where you really don’t want the > pesticide. > Instead of turning a cleaner into a pesticide that is as, and probably more > toxic than any over the counter household spray why not get a product that is > by design to kill insects and then break down and disappear. You will find the > words of Danger, and Warning on your jugs of bleach and dishwasher detergents > but caution on your can of raid..go figure. I have heard of toddlers dying > after consuming rubbing alcohol, or getting brain damage from getting into an > unlocked liquor cabinet, but can you say you have heard of anything nearly as > serious from a treatment for ants? >     Identifying the ants is the key. If it a small ant it might be foragers > from a nest on the outer wall and controlling that will help. There is a tiny > reddish ant that lives in the wall and spraying for them actually makes the > problem worse. Try the various baits in the "ant hotels". The foragers eat the > bait then feed the rest of the ants in the colony, but once again the different > types of ants have different diets..some proteins..some sugars.. so it would > help knowing what you are fighting. If it is a large ant, chances are it will > be carpenter ants nesting in the wall area, and treatment of the nest itself > might have to be done. > Lar

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I had a similar problem inthe early summer.  My mom suggested I apply a thin layer of petroleum jelly along the path they were entering. This stuff suffocated the ants, and often they get stuck in it. Within a week, no more ants.  Best $0.99 I ever spent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Does anyone know how to get rid of the ants inside the house without >using chemicals?  I’ve been tracing ant trails and plugging up the >holes, but they invariably turn up somewhere else.  I have sprayed Ant >Kill outside the house but it appears to have no impact on the ants >inside. >Regards,

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>I had a similar problem inthe early summer.  My mom suggested I apply >a thin layer of petroleum jelly along the path they were entering. >This stuff suffocated the ants, and often they get stuck in it.

Not true; they don’t suffocate. The ants actually slip down and dislocate a couple of hips, then starve to death because they can’t get up. — Thought for the day: <http://mysite.directlink.net/matthews/smiles/started.htm>

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Most places will require a work permit if you are 16 years old and younger, I do know Georgia and Michigan require them and limit you to something like 15 or 20 hours a week. Good Luck—when I was 16, the only jobs we could get were McDonalds and the local bowling alley! Maryanne

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>Most places will require a work permit if you are 16 years old and >younger, I do know Georgia and Michigan require them and limit you to >something like 15 or 20 hours a week. >Good Luck—when I was 16, the only jobs we could get were McDonalds and >the local bowling alley!

Gee, when I was 16, there was no McDonalds… But we could get lots of jobs — salesperson, clerical, elevator operator, hospital worker, library worker — but all for $1 an hour, at most. (Libraries and hospitals were exempt from the minimum wage laws and paid 75 cents/hr in NY.) And yeah, you needed working papers in NY, at least at 15, which was when I started working as a hospital kitchen worker. Extremely yucky job but it paid my way to France three years later — and my first flight, to be on topic.

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>>And yeah, you needed working papers >in NY, at least at 15, which was when I started working as a hospital >kitchen worker. Extremely yucky job but it paid my way to France three >years later — and my first flight, to be on topic. >What were you people doing to the food?

My job was to serve the patients, after ‘removing the vermin’ (as the weekly mimeo from the dietician ordered us to do), then collect the trays, take them to the inferno sub-basement kitchen, scrape the crap off, and load them in the humongous dishwasher. We also had to take bedpans, feed patients, find missing false teeth in the garbage, etc. I once tried to feed a corpse. Well, I didn’t know he was a corpse when I tried to get the spoon full of mashed potatoes between his teeth… And all for 75 cents/hr, gross.

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Dear Derek: It’s admirable that you want to work at all at your age, given what the average 15 yr.. old thinks of work in this country. Well, why not try in-airport food concessions, or airlines food suppliers, at your age most companies won’t hire younger people because most of the employees are union….so try any type "small business" at the airport terminals and good luck to you.    E.  

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>Hi, >I was previously known as Broken Chord (The 14 year old who wants to get >into Aviation.) I am now looking to actually get myself a job. I have a >dilemma, as I am turning 15 in one month I will start looking then, but I >don’t know what to look for. Most of my friends are getting jobs in >places like Golf Stores and things like that, the things that they want >to get into. Is there any thing which has to do with Aviation that would >allow someone of my age and little skill in? It doesn’t have to do >directly with Aviation, even something as far off as working at a Travel >Agency would be fine. >Any responses would be greatly appreciated,

Bit OT but nonetheless…… If you live close to an General Aviation airport, visit the FBOs (Fixed Base Operators) to see if they have openings for what’s called a line boy. Involves moving and cleaning airplanes, general duties and in some cases refuelling. If there’s a large commercial airport near there are probably ongoing vacancies for baggage handlers, ramp agents etc. Can be tough work with questionable co-workers (or coworkers if you prefer), but it’s a start. Brian

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi, >I was previously known as Broken Chord (The 14 year old who wants to get >into Aviation.) I am now looking to actually get myself a job. I have a >dilemma, as I am turning 15 in one month I will start looking then, but I >don’t know what to look for. Most of my friends are getting jobs in >places like Golf Stores and things like that, the things that they want >to get into. Is there any thing which has to do with Aviation that would >allow someone of my age and little skill in? It doesn’t have to do >directly with Aviation, even something as far off as working at a Travel >Agency would be fine. >Any responses would be greatly appreciated, > Bit OT but nonetheless…… > If you live close to an General Aviation airport, visit the FBOs (Fixed Base > Operators) to see if they have openings for what’s called a line boy. > Involves moving and cleaning airplanes, general duties and in some cases > refuelling. > If there’s a large commercial airport near there are probably ongoing > vacancies for baggage handlers, ramp agents etc. Can be tough work with > questionable co-workers (or coworkers if you prefer), but it’s a start. > Brian

Actually, there is a relatively small local airport nearby, I should check that out. There is also a commercial airport nearby, the problem is, sit that I don’t think that they’ll want someone as young as me. But I really do like your ideas, thanks! Any more options are greatly welcomed. — Ex

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Hello.  My husband and I just brought home an 8 week old chocolate lab puppy. She is a great dog, except for the normal nipping…the nipping I can handle and take care of. The behavior that I’m concerned about is the way she acts while my husband and I are eating dinner.  While we are eating we aren’t paying attention to her…I’m assuming this lack of attention explains her behavior.  She starts nipping, running around like crazy, chewing on our furniture, and, if none of this gets our attention, she goes over by her water bowl and starts to pee. We can crate her while we eat, but I’d like other suggestions on how to fix this problem. Thanks! Mindy Before you buy.

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She’s just a baby. Crate her when you’re eating. With normal socialization, she will do fine at mealtimes as an adult. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello. My husband and I just brought home an 8 week old chocolate lab puppy. > She is a great dog, except for the normal nipping…the nipping I can handle > and take care of. > The behavior that I’m concerned about is the way she acts while my husband > and I are eating dinner.  While we are eating we aren’t paying attention to > her…I’m assuming this lack of attention explains her behavior.  She starts > nipping, running around like crazy, chewing on our furniture, and, if none of > this gets our attention, she goes over by her water bowl and starts to pee. > We can crate her while we eat, but I’d like other suggestions on how to fix > this problem. > Thanks! > Mindy > Before you buy.

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>We can crate her while we eat, but I’d like other suggestions on how to fix >this problem.

At 8 weeks, I’d just crate her for now to avoid her developing annoying habits.  Later on once she’s learned down-stay, it’s good practice for her <evil grin>. –Cindy

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> >We can crate her while we eat, but I’d like other

suggestions on how to fix >this problem. > At 8 weeks, I’d just crate her for now to avoid her developing > annoying habits.  Later on once she’s learned down-stay, it’s good > practice for her <evil grin>. > –Cindy

 Hello cindymoron, Let me see if I can’t wipe that <evil grin> right off you mug. You’re telling them to crate the dog to avoid behavior problems, until the dog is bigger, and has developed a higher level of frustration? What’s wrong with starting the puppy off the hard way, learning to do what’s right from the beginning? Doesn’t THAT make more sense than AVOIDING the problem and possibly creating ANXIETY because the dog is being segregated inappropriately? Your pal, Jerry. j;~}

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Hello Mindy,

> Hello. My husband and I just brought home an 8 week old chocolate > lab puppy. She is a great dog, except for the normal nipping…the > nipping I can handle and take care of.

There’s lots of advice here, about that. Some of it’s pretty good, and some of it’s terrible. Some of our experts here suggest choking the pup for mouthing, ask cindy moore for the instructions, she uses that herself, except she doesn’t like to get slime on her fingers… > The behavior that I’m concerned about is the way she acts while my > husband and I are eating dinner.  While we are eating we aren’t > paying attention to her…I’m assuming this lack of attention explains > her behavior.

Right. That’s a common problem. We need to attract the pup’s attention BEFORE he gets into mischief.  I teach all about that in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com > She starts nipping, running around like crazy, chewing on our > furniture, and, if none of this gets our attention, she goes over by her > water bowl and starts to pee.

The peeing is because she’s making a statement. She’s stressed. She wants to connect with you, and you’re shutting her off. It’s frustrating for her. It’s easy to give her the attention she needs, and still keep doing what you need to be doing. > We can crate her while we eat, but I’d like other suggestions on how > to fix this problem.

Take a couple of hours and read the manual, and ask me if you have any questions. You’ll learn to use sound distraction and praise techniques to command her attention and teach her to behave as you’d like, without force or confrontation, and you’ll learn to teach her to come as a conditioned reflex, and you’ll teach her to relieve herself on command where you ask. In a couple of days, you won’t have any behavior problems. > Thanks! > Mindy

Your welcome. Jerry.

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Quote:   Later on once she’s learned down-stay, it’s good practice for her Absolutely! We have stay-out-of-the-dining-room (which even little Raisin knows). Usually we eat in the kitchen, where there are plenty of dog beds. Nobody hangs around the table because they NEVERNEVER get fed while ppl are eating. And — I think this is important — everybody gets a snack after we finish. Plate to lick, leftover piece of something good. This item is brought to them where they are. Or, they can make application for it at the dishwasher, not at the table. Jane Webb  & Moonpie & Raisin Pie

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If you want her near you while you eat and don’t want to crate her – put a collar and lead on her and sit on the leash. Leave enough lead to let her sit and lie down next to you (a good chew toy can help with this exercise too) and then keep her there with her lead. With nothing more interesting to do she will (after some attempts to distract you) probably do what you want her to at which point you can tell her what a genius she is. Nancy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello. My husband and I just brought home an 8 week old chocolate lab puppy. > She is a great dog, except for the normal nipping…the nipping I can handle > and take care of. > The behavior that I’m concerned about is the way she acts while my husband > and I are eating dinner.  While we are eating we aren’t paying attention to > her…I’m assuming this lack of attention explains her behavior.  She starts > nipping, running around like crazy, chewing on our furniture, and, if none of > this gets our attention, she goes over by her water bowl and starts to pee. > We can crate her while we eat, but I’d like other suggestions on how to fix > this problem. > Thanks! > Mindy > Before you buy.

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Thanks for the very useful information. I’ve recently, and for the first time, had repeated invasions of ants into my house.  One day I woke up to a line of ants coming in under a door, going up the wall, making a complete circuit along the wall at the ceiling of the kitchen and family room then going into a tiny hole next to an interior door Another day they were going into the dishwasher.  On no occasion did I find any food source, except for possibly the residue that could have been on the dishwasher walls (there were no dishes in it at the time). I wondered why the baits didn’t work, and now I know.  I ended up spraying all the ants I could see and that did work. Barbara – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes.  Contact your local Ag unit.  They will send you more information than > you care to deal w/ on dealing w/ local pests. > You are correct in baiting them.  You can’t eliminate an ant problem w/ > sprays.  But the correct baiting method depends upon the type of ant. > Hence, contact the locals. > Your baits may be fine.  Ants are very heavily unionized.  The union that > fetches food is not allowed to find it; there is a separate union for that. > Members of that union are called ’scouts’.  The scouts go out in search of a STUFF DELETED > Don’t spray pesticide near the bait.  Some ants will avoid it and the bait. > Others will die before they bring the bait back to the colony. > I hope this helps some.

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Don’t forget alt.consumers.pest-control. This is discussed often. 1. Plug up entry holes with caulk. 2. Bait or kill, but can’t do both. 3. Sweet-eating vs grease-eating ants: different bait req’d. — Howard Moss Rohnert Park, CA

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> Everyday I squish dozens of little reddish brown ants. This is my first > full year in my house, so I don’t know if it’s a common problem here or > not. I have 3 of those little red and white ant traps in my kitchen (where > they seem to like it best) and they march right around them. > Any suggestions? > Lori

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Everyday I squish dozens of little reddish brown ants. This is my first full year in my house, so I don’t know if it’s a common problem here or not. I have 3 of those little red and white ant traps in my kitchen (where they seem to like it best) and they march right around them. Any suggestions? Lori

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Yes.  Contact your local Ag unit.  They will send you more information than you care to deal w/ on dealing w/ local pests. You are correct in baiting them.  You can’t eliminate an ant problem w/ sprays.  But the correct baiting method depends upon the type of ant. Hence, contact the locals. Your baits may be fine.  Ants are very heavily unionized.  The union that fetches food is not allowed to find it; there is a separate union for that. Members of that union are called ’scouts’.  The scouts go out in search of a good food source.  When they find it, they lay down a chemical trail back to the colony.  The food fetchers can only follow the trail to the food, and they will walk right around your traps and any other food source to follow the trail to their assigned destination.  That will continue until that food source is exhausted. There are two things you can do to force them to find the bait.  One is eliminate the current source, wherever that may be.  The second is to thoroughly clean the trail so the food fetchers cannot find it.  This requires soap and water on nonporous surfaces.  It is very difficult to remove from porous surfaces.  Once they loose the trail, the scouts will go out again in search.  It is sort of  a random search, but if you place the baits near where you see ants, and eliminate competing food sources, the scouts should find them. Don’t spray pesticide near the bait.  Some ants will avoid it and the bait. Others will die before they bring the bait back to the colony. I hope this helps some.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Everyday I squish dozens of little reddish brown ants. This is my first > full year in my house, so I don’t know if it’s a common problem here or > not. I have 3 of those little red and white ant traps in my kitchen (where > they seem to like it best) and they march right around them. > Any suggestions? > Lori

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> I don’t know if I’ve asked this before…if so please pardon the repeat. > I’d be interested to know if anyone else has taken a slide into virtual > sloth even on the "good pain free" days? > I used to be able to take care of business and do all of the things not > accomplished when down with the pain.  Now – I’m concerned that I may > not work again, much less even shovel out my house enough to have > friends over again.  I am on Zoloft for depression and counseling. > I find as time goes on, I do less and less and don’t even keep up with > friends. (what if they wanted to come over?) Horrors!! > Am I just lazy ( possible), have you been there? what did you do to get > out of it?  Are you there now?

Zoloft does that by suppressing the LH in the pituitary. That causes a loss of testosterone or estrogen and a general lethargy.

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Celexa, a new antidepressant works very fast.

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> Celexa, a new antidepressant works very fast.

And does the neutering bit even faster!

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>I prescribe 3 chuckles, 2 laughs and 1 dirty joke/day. >Sincerely  Rob Hartley

What, no partridge in a pear tree? ~alex      

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The suggestions about changing you habits are very positive.  But depression actually robs us of the chemical motivation we need to accomplish things sometimes.  Absolutely lacking drive even of the simplist kind (ie. food,sex,ect.) can be from chemical imbalances in the reward centers of your brain.  People that have never experienced this can not relate.  I have been so depressed that I have found myself sitting hopelessly staring into oblivion with no desire to eat or move or get out of bed for that matter.  Fortunately for people who suffer from depression(which often goes hand in hand with chronic pain) there are drugs available that can help.  But it has been my experience that you probably will not find the right antidepressant without some trial and error. Hiero Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The suggestions about changing you habits are very positive.  But > depression actually robs us of the chemical motivation we need to > accomplish things sometimes.  Absolutely lacking drive even of the > simplist kind (ie. food,sex,ect.) can be from chemical imbalances in > the reward centers of your brain.  People that have never experienced > this can not relate.  I have been so depressed that I have found myself > sitting hopelessly staring into oblivion with no desire to eat or move > or get out of bed for that matter.  Fortunately for people who suffer > from depression(which often goes hand in hand with chronic pain) there > are drugs available that can help.  But it has been my experience that > you probably will not find the right antidepressant without some trial > and error. > Hiero > Before you buy.

Heiro, thanks to you and everyone who responded.  It gave me some insight.  If you don’t mind, since I’ve tried a few anti ds’, did one work for you without causing those pesky side effects? codeee Before you buy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I don’t know if I’ve asked this before…if so please pardon the repeat. > I’d be interested to know if anyone else has taken a slide into virtual > sloth even on the "good pain free" days? > I used to be able to take care of business and do all of the things not > accomplished when down with the pain.  Now – I’m concerned that I may > not work again, much less even shovel out my house enough to have > friends over again.  I am on Zoloft for depression and counseling. > I find as time goes on, I do less and less and don’t even keep up with > friends. (what if they wanted to come over?) Horrors!! > Am I just lazy ( possible), have you been there? what did you do to get > out of it?  Are you there now? > Any replies would be appreciated, > codeee > Before you buy.

Well… based on personal experience, it has nothing to do with the drugs or pain… I just don’t know how to turn off my computer. lol. Will

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Dear Codeee, Annie said what I was thinking.  The only thing that I would add would be to make a list, set some goals.  Don’t make your goals to high though, as that leads to more disappointment.  Your true friends will be the only ones that visit you. If they think your house is too messy, hand them a rag and show them where the vaccum is.  I was very independent and didn’t ask for help from anyone, ever.  I learned that I am not Super Man and had to admit to myself that I need help.  Your friends will not mind lending a hand, so ask for help and I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised at the results. I prescribe 3 chuckles, 2 laughs and 1 dirty joke/day. Sincerely  Rob Hartley

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi coodee, > I understand exactly what you’re talking about. In fact, at one point I was > afraid that I was suffering from agoraphobia (fear of going outside into the > world) since I felt safer staying in my cozy home rather than going out to > the mall or out to dinner with friends. I think it began as the result of > having to stay in so much when this pain first struck me down six years ago, > and it then it became a habit to stay home. I was safe here with my > bed/couch/chair nearby if the pain became too bad. > I realized that this is not normal behavior for me and that I had to do > something about it. I still went to the grocery store; that never changed. > Otherwise I hadn’t been shopping in months and months so, I forced myself to > go to the nearest shopping mall one day. I stayed only a short while, but I > realized that I could survive it. So then I started going out more often when > I felt like it. I think that I have now overcome my aversion to leaving my > home and feel somewhat more like my normal self (whatever that is). > Just a couple of weeks ago, I felt so good that I decided to clean out and > rearrange stuff that we had moved into a vacation home a year ago. I went at > it all day and had the most wonderful sense of accomplishment from doing > that. I also knew that I would pay for it with increased pain but couldn’t > predict how bad it would be. Well, it was terribly hard even to get out of > bed for the next two days, and muscles that I didn’t know I had were aching > terribly. None of that seemed to matter though because mentally I was in a > much better place with feeling good about myself. > If you need to shovel out your house, don’t try to shovel out the entire > house in one day. Pick one chore a day and try to accomplish that. You will > be amazed with how quickly you can accomplish cleaning up. Then the secret is > to keep it in order. Don’t just leave the dishes in the sink until they > eventually become an insurmountable problem; put them in the dishwasher or > wash them by hand as you use them. > Many times I have had no interest in going out with friends, partially > because I’m tired of talking about my back problems. Everyone asks in order > to be polite though, and I understand that. My husband has nearly had to > force me to go out once a week for dinner with friends. We used to meet > before dinner at someone’s house for drinks and hors d’oeuvres and then go to > dinner, all of which took more hours than I wished to invest. So we started > meeting at the restaurant, having dinner, and then heading home. That I could > manage. I’ll admit that it is now really nice to go out with friends and > gives my husband and me a break from being only with each other 24/7. (He is > retired so we spend a lot of time together.) > You need to find different ways of handling what bothers you. Break down the > large jobs into a bunch of smaller ones and tackle one a day if you feel like > it. Before long, I think your mental attitude will be better because you will > feel better about yourself rather than viewing yourself as a useless sloth. > As far as your friends go, I would think that you are more important to them > than coming to a clean house. Do they keep pristine homes? Do they always > have everything picked up? Why not clean up your kitchen and invite a friend > over for coffee and sit in the clean kitchen for an hour or so. You might be > surprised at how much better that might may you feel. True friends won’t care > whether your home is clean or not. > Sorry about such a long answer. I’m sure you already are aware of most of > what I said, but I thought I’d give you my experience with these problems. > Let me know if I can help you in any way. > Annie B. > I don’t know if I’ve asked this before…if so please pardon the repeat. > I’d be interested to know if anyone else has taken a slide into virtual > sloth even on the "good pain free" days? > I used to be able to take care of business and do all of the things not > accomplished when down with the pain.  Now – I’m concerned that I may > not work again, much less even shovel out my house enough to have > friends over again.  I am on Zoloft for depression and counseling. > I find as time goes on, I do less and less and don’t even keep up with > friends. (what if they wanted to come over?) Horrors!! > Am I just lazy ( possible), have you been there? what did you do to get > out of it?  Are you there now? > Any replies would be appreciated, > codeee

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I don’t know if I’ve asked this before…if so please pardon the repeat. I’d be interested to know if anyone else has taken a slide into virtual sloth even on the "good pain free" days? I used to be able to take care of business and do all of the things not accomplished when down with the pain.  Now – I’m concerned that I may not work again, much less even shovel out my house enough to have friends over again.  I am on Zoloft for depression and counseling. I find as time goes on, I do less and less and don’t even keep up with friends. (what if they wanted to come over?) Horrors!! Am I just lazy ( possible), have you been there? what did you do to get out of it?  Are you there now? Any replies would be appreciated, codeee Before you buy.

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 Oh, I know what this is like!!! I am used to the hubby saying how bad things look…but he never helps, so I don’t listen anymore. Some days, I don’t even cook for my youngest kids…Cereal for dinner has happened many times ( thank goodness have 2 older kids who will cook for me on occasion). Perhaps you need a friend who doesn’t care how things look to just come and be with you. Isolation is so common with us, you know. It can lead to worsening depression. When I get bad for too long, I make myself do something that will be evident to me, like cleaning off the kitchen counter. No real effort physically, but it gets the mind going a little. Then, I feel like the rest of the house could use a good cleaning….and off I go, to the extent that I can. This lasts for quite awhile, till I have another slump, again. But at least I know how to get myself back out of it. You are NOT lazy…Only Isolated! Depressed! In PAIN! Don’t get too worried about it…you can find a way to help yourself, without a psychiatrist. Tell a friend about your feelings. I hope you don’t feel so alone, because you are not. Have a nice day! — "To live happily is an inward power of the soul"                   Marcus Aurelius Trailingvine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I don’t know if I’ve asked this before…if so please pardon the repeat. >I’d be interested to know if anyone else has taken a slide into virtual >sloth even on the "good pain free" days? >I used to be able to take care of business and do all of the things not >accomplished when down with the pain.  Now – I’m concerned that I may >not work again, much less even shovel out my house enough to have >friends over again.  I am on Zoloft for depression and counseling. >I find as time goes on, I do less and less and don’t even keep up with >friends. (what if they wanted to come over?) Horrors!! >Am I just lazy ( possible), have you been there? what did you do to get >out of it?  Are you there now? >Any replies would be appreciated, >codeee >Before you buy.

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I used zoloft for depression briefly, it made me space out and it didn’t improve my mood either.  Maybe you should consider a different anti-depressant.  The idea is that the anti-depressant should help improve your behavior so that you can function normally again. Hiero Before you buy.

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> I used zoloft for depression briefly, it made me space out and it > didn’t improve my mood either.  Maybe you should consider a different > anti-depressant.  The idea is that the anti-depressant should help > improve your behavior so that you can function normally again. > Hiero > Before you buy.

Thanks Trailing Vine and Heiro,  It probably is time to look into another antidep.  T.V. your way of coping starting with an easily managed bit sounds reasonable. This, I can do! I appreciate the support and input, codeee Before you buy.

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Hi All, > i like the bosch 5316…$800-$900…it’s very quiet, gets > very hot which dissolves the food better and has more > versatility to the way you load it…the top rack can be > lowered for pots and pans etc…there’s a similiar model > made for sears but i’ve heard only bad reports on > that…

The problem with the Bosch models (and all the European models, really) is that they require you to clean the food filters manually instead of doing it automatically for you (the North American ones all have this feature). That aside, though, the Bosch _is_ a very highly-rated unit.  It’s quiet, flexible, and gets the job done well. If cleaning food filters manually isn’t for you, the KitchenAid dishwashers are also very quiet — look for the Whisper Quiet Plus models.  They, like the Bosch dishwashers, have stainless steel interiors too, which should add to their longevity. These dishwashers do cost significant money, though, so if you don’t mind a plastic interior tub (and I certainly don’t mind one), then look into either a Maytag (MDB9100, MDB7100, or MDB6100) as good, quiet, and dependable units.  They apparently do a really good job of cleaning the dishes too, which is, after all, what we buy dishwashers for.  If you don’t mind a little more noise, you could look into an MDB3100 (black only) or MDB4100 (other colours and a couple more cycle options) as good cleaners of dishes, though short on frills. Then, of course, there’s good old dependable Sears.  After weighing price, features, etc., I settled on the Kenmore 1581 for my needs. It just seemed to me like it was a better dishwasher for the money at the time (I got it on sale).  It’s a little noisy, but nothing compared to the GE dishwasher-disguised-as-jet-engine that it replaced not so long ago. Also weighed into my decision was the fact that I live in a small condo, in which I don’t plan to stay for the rest of my life.  Heck — why would I want to spend serious money on a high-quality appliance I’d just leave behind in a couple of years?  The 1581 is a good dishwasher, but not so good (as, say, a KitchenAid) that I’d feel like I’d wasted my money when I left. But I digress.  There’s lots to think about when buying.  Is this an appliance you’re going to have around for a while?  Are you going to be moving in a couple of years and don’t want to spend too much money?  Do you have special requirements (cycles) you’d prefer?  Make your short list of priorities (personally, no matter what you decide I’d put reliability right at the top) and set your budget.  I like (after all my research) the following brands for reliability: Whirlpool Kenmore (most are made by Whirlpool) Maytag KitchenAid I don’t like: Frigidaire/Frigidaire Gallery Asko Everything else is probably O.K.. But I digress again.  Good luck in your search. — Patrick Duffy, Instructor, Chemistry       | Kwantlen University College Phone:  (604) 599-2657 (vm 9615)           | Richmond, B.C. FAX:    (604) 599-2716                     | V6X 3V8 "I don’t necessarily agree with everything I say."

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>They, like the Bosch dishwashers, have stainless steel >interiors too, which should add to their longevity.

We just bought a KitchenAid dishwasher, with only a marginal preference over choice #2, a Bosch. The selling "pro" for KitchenAid was that it has a childlock feature, and my wife and I have two toddlers. The Bosch appeared to be quieter and of higher quality. For example, the stainless steel interior that both the KA and the Bosch have: on the KA, one can look at the edges and tell how flimsy of a lining it really is. The Bosch appears to be much more durable. Both were about the same price (actually, the KA may have been about $50 more). As I said, we bought the KA and we are happy with it. When we finally have to replace the KA, I’m sure we’ll think more heavily about Bosch (since we’ll no longer need the childlock feature). I’m sure that if we run into a case of appliance repair, the Bosch would have been more expensive to fix. On the other hand, had any experiences with appliance repair in the last few years? Even a KA will be expensive to repair, as far as I’m concerned. Probably just a bit less than Bosch. Guy — Guy Klose

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We too chose the KA over the Bosch for the childlock feature AND I did not want to clean the yucky basket at the bottom of the Bosch that collects the food junk.  The KA crushes it up and sends it out with the water. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->They, like the Bosch dishwashers, have stainless steel >interiors too, which should add to their longevity. >We just bought a KitchenAid dishwasher, with only a >marginal preference over choice #2, a Bosch. The >selling "pro" for KitchenAid was that it has a childlock >feature, and my wife and I have two toddlers. >The Bosch appeared to be quieter and of higher quality. >For example, the stainless steel interior that both the >KA and the Bosch have: on the KA, one can look at the >edges and tell how flimsy of a lining it really is. >The Bosch appears to be much more durable. >Both were about the same price (actually, the KA may >have been about $50 more). As I said, we bought the KA >and we are happy with it. When we finally have to replace >the KA, I’m sure we’ll think more heavily about Bosch >(since we’ll no longer need the childlock feature). >I’m sure that if we run into a case of appliance repair, >the Bosch would have been more expensive to fix. On the >other hand, had any experiences with appliance repair in >the last few years? Even a KA will be expensive to repair, >as far as I’m concerned. Probably just a bit less than >Bosch. >Guy >– >Guy Klose

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don’t be afraid of the food basket in the bosch…i’ve had mine 2 years and i just checked…there’s still no yuck in it…once in a while some large piece of food doesn’t disolve and i just pick it out…it’s a very clean piece of food!…mary > We too chose the KA over the Bosch for the childlock

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>The problem with the Bosch models (and all the European models, >really) is that they require you to clean the food filters manually >instead of doing it automatically for you (the North American ones >all have this feature).

Ah.. Horse pucky.. I’ve got an Asko 15xx (I don’t remember the exact model) that we bought back in ‘95 / ‘96 and it has a very LARGE food filter that I’ve cleaned exactly twice and of those two times I’ve cleaned it, I found stuck food in it exactly zero times..  I do love these Euro dish washers (at the time, I hadn’t heard of the Bosch models).  If you’re a partier, they you might want to look at the Meile which has special racks for holding lots of stem-ware. So far, I’m very happy with the Asko.. The only problem that we’ve had with it was that we cracked the plastic light cover on the back-left corner of the tub which caused water to leak into the built-in water catch — once it filled with water, a float would keep the DW from running anymore.. This nice feature kept the water from getting on the floor — IF something goes wrong.. The best feature is that this unit is VERY quiet! When we were looking at buying one, the sales dude at Pacific Sales in Irvine California asked why we were looking at one of the higher models that had the wash "timer", and we said "so we don’t have to hear it when we’re in the room", to which he replied "why, they are soo quiet".. He then proceeded to turn a demo unit on and we said "Wow!"  That was all it took!

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>don’t be afraid of the food basket in the bosch…i’ve had >mine 2 years and i just checked…there’s still no yuck in >it…once in a while some large piece of food doesn’t >disolve and i just pick it out…it’s a very clean piece of >food!…mary

I’ve also had very little in the basket.  Generally, I only clean it because I’m afraid that if I don’t something will happen.  However, every time I clean it, there’s very little in it.

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