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> I’ve always been a Chevy man, but would take a Chrysler Hemi Cuda with a > shaker hood anyday. There is a bunch of neat Ford muscle cars I’d own, > heck, even AMC made some stuff I liked, but then, I liked all muscle > cars of the 60’s and early 70’s.
You and me both, Rick! Bill
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> > An old Navy buddy of mine used to say "Anybody who would buy a Chrysler > would suck a dick." > Don’t know about that, but Mopar had some good, hot cars in the 60’s thru > the very early 70’s… > Bill
I’ve always been a Chevy man, but would take a Chrysler Hemi Cuda with a shaker hood anyday. There is a bunch of neat Ford muscle cars I’d own, heck, even AMC made some stuff I liked, but then, I liked all muscle cars of the 60’s and early 70’s. — Rick Jones Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician/ASE Master/L-1 http://www2.netcom.com/~ssauer40/webpage.htm It is said that Bill Clinton is considering changing the Democrat Party Emblem from the donkey to the condom, because it stands for inflation, protects a bunch of pricks, halts production, and gives a false sense of security while being screwed.
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+AD4-Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for +AD4-making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby +AD4-making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely +AD4-case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… Weird… I have a 1985 4×2 Pickup… IT HAS NO RUST+ACE- 13 years later, and some awful salt and winter conditions… maybe because I wash it weekly, and wax monthly??? (I’m the kind of guy who goes out at 2 am, when it’s 36 degrees outside and washes my truck… just because I can+ACE- Hmmm… it’s not always the manufacturers fault… I’ve seen some guys torture the hell out of their cars and trucks, whining to whoever’ll listen when it rusts, craps out or whatever…. my dad has a Ford Econoline, and this thing has NEVER had a tranny service, and oil changes can sometimes go 25000 miles before getting done… When a major repair comes up he complains about the cost, but I tell him, maintenance is one of the best preventers.. cheers Chris
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An old Navy buddy of mine used to say "Anybody who would buy a Chrysler would suck a dick." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hey Jason, >I’d like to sue over the poor handling of my 97 Corolla. Toyota is arrogant >and they think there cars are perfect. I will be so glad when they crash >and burn!!!. I’m going back to Dodge, there cars have a few things Toyota >don’t offer. Power, Style, Handling, Great Sound Systems, Rust resistance, >Resale Value. The Corolla sure as hell don’t have That one. >Puhhlease, I hope you’re joking. >Recycled steel causing rust because it’s recycled? Right… if you knew how >much steel out there today has recycled content, you wouldn’t leave your >house! Recycled steel content can diminish the ductility of the metal, but >it doesn’t contribute to premature rusting… >– >Jason Leach >Carpe Diem >>Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for >>making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby >>making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely >>case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… >>(at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d >>think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, >>whether you rust proofed them or not.) >>George
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> An old Navy buddy of mine used to say "Anybody who would buy a Chrysler > would suck a dick."
Don’t know about that, but Mopar had some good, hot cars in the 60’s thru the very early 70’s… Bill
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> > I’d like to sue over the poor handling of my 97 Corolla. Toyota is arrogant > and they think there cars are perfect. I will be so glad when they crash > and burn!!!. I’m going back to Dodge, there cars have a few things Toyota > don’t offer. Power, Style, Handling, Great Sound Systems, Rust resistance, > Resale Value. The Corolla sure as hell don’t have That one. > — > Yeah, go for it, man, you’ll show us, huh? > Run out and buy as piece of shit, that’ll fix us. LOL 
Careful there, Rick. This guy obviously is peeved at Toyota for some reason or another, and he isn’t being rational. No need to brand all Dodge’s POS though; some of their cars *do* have some attributes that some Toyota’s don’t, but resale value certainly isn’t one of them. -John
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: > > : > : > > : > > I’d like to sue over the poor handling of my 97 Corolla. Toyota is arrogant : > > and they think there cars are perfect. I will be so glad when they crash : > > and burn!!!. I’m going back to Dodge, there cars have a few things Toyota : > > don’t offer. Power, Style, Handling, Great Sound Systems, Rust resistance, : > > Resale Value. The Corolla sure as hell don’t have That one. : > > : > : > — : > Yeah, go for it, man, you’ll show us, huh? : > : > Run out and buy as piece of shit, that’ll fix us. LOL : Careful there, Rick. This guy obviously is peeved at Toyota for some reason : or another, and he isn’t being rational. No need to brand all Dodge’s POS : though; some of their cars *do* have some attributes that some Toyota’s : don’t, but resale value certainly isn’t one of them. Toyota doesn’t have: A full-size pickup w/ available Cummins (and 4wd) The best off-road vehicle in production (read: Jeep) Other then those two, I don’t think I would buy a Daimler-Chrysler. Look nice, built cheap. And Jeeps do hold their value. -Hogan
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>Hey, Flamer, the lame was simply asking for info! Are "some of you Brits" >such flaming jugemental asswipes????? >seems to me, fuck head, the only info old " sue every bastard " was after
was for other limp dicks lick yourself to jump on the " lets get some money for nothing" band wagon, but your right about yank cars being pieces of shit and the dealers not doing anything about it, yank sites are full of complaints, if that sort of thing happened in Australia on such a large scale such as what’s been happening over there our consumer watch dog and/or the Government would do something about it, then again Bills trying to fuck Monica, you pricks are trying to fuck Toyota, Toyota is trying to fuck you, everyone is trying to fuck everyone, it isn’t any wonder you pricks have the highest homicide rate on the planet, if you pricks tried to help each other out once in a while instead of trying to fuck everyone over things might be different over there, then again, I am talking to a FUCKING MORON !! sorry I just got wound up, but you are right about one thing us Aussies are judgemental pricks ! then again you blokes are good to laugh at , it makes everyone else look smart! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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writes >Hey, Flamer, the lame was simply asking for info! Are "some of you Brits" >such flaming jugemental asswipes?????
Actually, the flamer was Australian, as a cursory glance at his email address would reveal. — Regards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email
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> I agree – it’s not the material, it’s the design. I have an ‘88 4×4 that > I bought new. It held up well for the first 7 years or so, but now it is > beginning to rust heavily where the bed is seemed (I live in Ohio, where > we love to use salt in the winter). The beds on trucks after 1990 don’t > have the seem, which is why they don’t rust. BTW my cab is still > completely rust free, and I assume the metal is the same? > Marc Lundberg
I believe that the old Datsun trucks had that same seam on the beds as well. They rusted out quickly also. The seam was a design flaw, the metal istelf was not to blame. Bryan 1988 Samurai 1996 Dodge Ram
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’d like to sue over the poor handling of my 97 Corolla. Toyota is arrogant > and they think there cars are perfect. I will be so glad when they crash > and burn!!!. I’m going back to Dodge, there cars have a few things Toyota > don’t offer. Power, Style, Handling, Great Sound Systems, Rust resistance, > Resale Value. The Corolla sure as hell don’t have That one. > — > Yeah, go for it, man, you’ll show us, huh? > Run out and buy as piece of shit, that’ll fix us. LOL > Rick Jones > Stop by my webpage and sign my newest addition "guest book" > Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician/ASE Master/L-1 > http://www2.netcom.com/~ssauer40/webpage.htm > Quotes from our favorite crack smoking, liberal socialist mayor > of Washington DC.-Marion Barry > ***** > "I promise you a police car on every sidewalk." > – M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC > ***** > "If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a > very very low crime rate." > - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC > ***** > "First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club. And > second, what can I say? I’m a night owl." > – M. Barry, Mayor of Washington,DC > ***** > "Bitch set me up." > - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC > ***** > "I am clearly more popular than Reagan. I am in my > third term. Where’s Reagan? Gone after two! Defeated > by George Bush and Michael Dukakis no less." > - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC > ***** > "The laws in this city are clearly racist. All laws are > racist. The law of gravity is racist." > - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC > ***** > "The brave men who died in Vietnam, more than 100% > of which were black, were the ultimate sacrifice." > - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC > ***** > "I read a funny story about how the Republicans freed > the slaves. The Republicans are the ones who created > slavery by law in the 1600’s. Abraham Lincoln freed the > slaves and he was not a Republican." > - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC > ***** > "People blame me because these water mains break, > but I ask you, if the water mains didn’t break, would it > be my responsibility to fix them then? WOULD IT!?!" > – M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC
You are a big fan of Toyotas, Rick, I can tell by how knowledgable you are. In fact, I’m very thankful to you because I learned a lot from some of the good diagnosis of machanical problems you’ve given. You helped me. But, in my modest opinion I think Toyotas are over rated. I’m no mechanic, and my opinion will never have the value of yours, but I owned several Toyotas and actually I got a little tired of them. In my opinion Toyotas have very good engines which can last forever, and that is about it. For one thing, will Toyota ever make a comfortable seat? Is that so difficult? Why are they so cheap with the interior of the vehicles? Also, why are their brakes so poor? OK… don’t get upset now!
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> I’d like to sue over the poor handling of my 97 Corolla. Toyota is arrogant > and they think there cars are perfect. I will be so glad when they crash > and burn!!!. I’m going back to Dodge, there cars have a few things Toyota > don’t offer. Power, Style, Handling, Great Sound Systems, Rust resistance, > Resale Value. The Corolla sure as hell don’t have That one.
– Yeah, go for it, man, you’ll show us, huh? Run out and buy as piece of shit, that’ll fix us. LOL Rick Jones Stop by my webpage and sign my newest addition "guest book" Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician/ASE Master/L-1 http://www2.netcom.com/~ssauer40/webpage.htm Quotes from our favorite crack smoking, liberal socialist mayor of Washington DC.-Marion Barry ***** "I promise you a police car on every sidewalk." – M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC ***** "If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very low crime rate." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC ***** "First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club. And second, what can I say? I’m a night owl." – M. Barry, Mayor of Washington,DC ***** "Bitch set me up." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC ***** "I am clearly more popular than Reagan. I am in my third term. Where’s Reagan? Gone after two! Defeated by George Bush and Michael Dukakis no less." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC ***** "The laws in this city are clearly racist. All laws are racist. The law of gravity is racist." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC ***** "The brave men who died in Vietnam, more than 100% of which were black, were the ultimate sacrifice." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC ***** "I read a funny story about how the Republicans freed the slaves. The Republicans are the ones who created slavery by law in the 1600’s. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and he was not a Republican." - M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC ***** "People blame me because these water mains break, but I ask you, if the water mains didn’t break, would it be my responsibility to fix them then? WOULD IT!?!" – M. Barry, Mayor of Washington, DC
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I only repeated what a Toyota dealer told me…. I guess I should have said that that, so you didn’t think I made it up. What someone else replied with is that the bed was made in the usa, and put on here to get reduced duty rate on the importation of the rest of the truck. I’ve heard that before, so that confirms that part of the story. But what the other person on the net just told me is that they didn’t prep the places, or use a sealant on the parts where they welded seams together. That is making sense, as most of my rust is around the seams. Yup, both my cabs are rust free too! That is why this pisses me off so bad. Practically never put a dime into either one for any repairs too, so that is why I’d love to keep it. Looks like I’ll be getting a fiberglass bed for around $1300, and then painting both the topper and the bed for another couple hundred. So for about 1600, I’ll have a truck that looks showroom new, and it is 12 years old! Nope, metal is NOT the same…. cab made in japan, only bed made in the usa! Have a good weekend… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I agree – it’s not the material, it’s the design. I have an ‘88 4×4 that > I bought new. It held up well for the first 7 years or so, but now it is > beginning to rust heavily where the bed is seemed (I live in Ohio, where > we love to use salt in the winter). The beds on trucks after 1990 don’t > have the seem, which is why they don’t rust. BTW my cab is still > completely rust free, and I assume the metal is the same? > Marc Lundberg > Puhhlease, I hope you’re joking. > Recycled steel causing rust because it’s recycled? Right… if you knew how > much steel out there today has recycled content, you wouldn’t leave your > house! Recycled steel content can diminish the ductility of the metal, but > it doesn’t contribute to premature rusting… > — > Jason Leach > Carpe Diem > >Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for > >making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby > >making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely > >case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… > >(at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d > >think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, > >whether you rust proofed them or not.) > >George
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A couple of years ago I asked a toyota dealer about the rust problem on older trucks and he told me back then toyota bought those beds from company in the USA. That tells you about the quality of " made in america". >Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for > >making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby > >making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely > >case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… > >(at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d > >think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, > >whether you rust proofed them or not.) > >George
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> > > Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for > > making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby > > making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely > > case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my
Since the high grade steel rails (best in the world) made at the electric arc furnace here have some percentage of steel from the scap yard in them, I doubt it is cause for concern in the making of steel. —
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I agree – it’s not the material, it’s the design. I have an ‘88 4×4 that I bought new. It held up well for the first 7 years or so, but now it is beginning to rust heavily where the bed is seemed (I live in Ohio, where we love to use salt in the winter). The beds on trucks after 1990 don’t have the seem, which is why they don’t rust. BTW my cab is still completely rust free, and I assume the metal is the same? Marc Lundberg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Puhhlease, I hope you’re joking. > Recycled steel causing rust because it’s recycled? Right… if you knew how > much steel out there today has recycled content, you wouldn’t leave your > house! Recycled steel content can diminish the ductility of the metal, but > it doesn’t contribute to premature rusting… > — > Jason Leach > Carpe Diem >Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for >making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby >making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely >case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… >(at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d >think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, >whether you rust proofed them or not.) >George
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mothers if she farted near you,and as for recycled metal corroding more than other metals, GET REAL!, do your homework before you go threatening to sue every man and his dog and you’ll find that virtually the whole vehicle and every other bit of metal that you can see around you in your pathetic little world has been manufactured from recycled material,I suppose your contemplating suing me for shattering your dream of retiring early by getting rich from a bullshit lawsuit…hey! I know!.. they might even make a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for >making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby >making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely >case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… >(at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d >think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, >whether you rust proofed them or not.) >George
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have an ‘85, it hasn’t rusted! > Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for > making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby > making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely > case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… > (at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d > think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, > whether you rust proofed them or not.) > George
How do you know that the steel is recycled? Granted the vast majority of steel does have recycled content, but I’m just trying to figure out how you could tell. Or are you thinking that since it rusted that it must be recycled. Another question, what trait of recycled steel makes it rust faster than virgin steel? These are questions that you will have to answer it your proposed suit is to get anywhere…
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1) Recycled steel has nothing at all to do with the problem. 2) While there may be some action possible re improper treatment ie painting, rustproofing, cleaning before painting, etching, etc, you would first have to establish a reasonable probility that all the rusting toyota truck beds had some features in common., were made at the same factory, or beds made on the same line, etc. Difficult but not impossible. 3)* After* you get 20 to 35 people that claim to have the same problem, and can produce more than hearsay — ie: need facts , then you * might* consider some sort of legal action. 4) Best way is to document your FACTS – from as many people you can find who also can provide FACTS, and then go to a local lawyer.. If you are concise, have a least a reasonable theory other than recycled steel — many will give you a half hour or so of free time to determine if you have a snoballs chance in hell of winning. 5) When you consider that even a well-documented but so called simple class-action can cost upwards of 1/2 Million to bring to trial, and if not certified as a class action, the lawyer CANNOT just drop the case, you will better appreciate why, on the basis uou state, you aren’t likely to prevail.. **** But by all means, contact a local lawyer as early as possible —–
<+ <+>Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for <+>making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby <+>making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely <+>case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… <+> <+>(at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d <+>think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, <+>whether you rust proofed them or not.) <+> <+ <+I’d guess it’s more a primer/paint issue than ‘recycled steel’. <+ <+and the bed on my ‘88 isn’t perfect but not bad for a 10 year old <+truck that’s spent it’s life outdoors in a wet climate. <+ <+"Goodbye" said the fox to the Little Prince. "And now here is my secret, <+ a very simple secret: It is only with the heart that one can rightly see, <+ what is essential is invisible to the eye" <+ <+jim bilderback — please remove the * if you’d care to email. — –ARBE– Remove arbe from e-mail — INAL- Damages limited to what you paid me for my opinion —
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for >making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby >making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely >case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… >(at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d >think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, >whether you rust proofed them or not.) >I’d guess it’s more a primer/paint issue than ‘recycled steel’. >and the bed on my ‘88 isn’t perfect but not bad for a 10 year old >truck that’s spent it’s life outdoors in a wet climate. >"Goodbye" said the fox to the Little Prince. "And now here is my secret, > a very simple secret: It is only with the heart that one can rightly see, > what is essential is invisible to the eye" >jim bilderback — please remove the * if you’d care to email.
most company’s use recycled steel in there cars today…
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>Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for >making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby >making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely >case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… >(at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d >think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, >whether you rust proofed them or not.)
I’d guess it’s more a primer/paint issue than ‘recycled steel’. and the bed on my ‘88 isn’t perfect but not bad for a 10 year old truck that’s spent it’s life outdoors in a wet climate. "Goodbye" said the fox to the Little Prince. "And now here is my secret, a very simple secret: It is only with the heart that one can rightly see, what is essential is invisible to the eye" jim bilderback — please remove the * if you’d care to email.
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Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… (at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, whether you rust proofed them or not.) George
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Puhhlease, I hope you’re joking. Recycled steel causing rust because it’s recycled? Right… if you knew how much steel out there today has recycled content, you wouldn’t leave your house! Recycled steel content can diminish the ductility of the metal, but it doesn’t contribute to premature rusting… — Jason Leach Carpe Diem – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for >making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby >making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely >case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… >(at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d >think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, >whether you rust proofed them or not.) >George
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I have an ‘85, it hasn’t rusted! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for > making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby > making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely > case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… > (at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d > think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, > whether you rust proofed them or not.) > George
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Hey Jason, I’d like to sue over the poor handling of my 97 Corolla. Toyota is arrogant and they think there cars are perfect. I will be so glad when they crash and burn!!!. I’m going back to Dodge, there cars have a few things Toyota don’t offer. Power, Style, Handling, Great Sound Systems, Rust resistance, Resale Value. The Corolla sure as hell don’t have That one. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Puhhlease, I hope you’re joking. >Recycled steel causing rust because it’s recycled? Right… if you knew how >much steel out there today has recycled content, you wouldn’t leave your >house! Recycled steel content can diminish the ductility of the metal, but >it doesn’t contribute to premature rusting… >– >Jason Leach >Carpe Diem >Hey, has anyone out there tried starting a law suit against Toyota for >making the beds for their ‘85-90 trucks out of recycled steel, thereby >making them rust out badly in a few years? Sure does seem like a likely >case, to me. Email me if you are interested in joining my crusade… >(at least they should offer us new beds at cost, or even below cost, I’d >think. $1600-1800 for a new one is nuts. And they ALL rusted out, >whether you rust proofed them or not.) >George
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