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> My 4 year old cockatiel has recently turned to the love of the floor.  I > wouldn’t mind it if it wasn’t for the fact that I have a cat.  He doesn’t >much > care for the bird, but I know to never undermind him.  Also, feet are an >issue. >  Whenever he goes to the floor I tried spraying him with water, putting him >in > his cage and saying no, but nothing works.  He’s even now walking into the > kitchen (the cat’s favorite place) and talking with the metal grate of the > fridge.  He’s fully flighted but prefers the floor to any of the higher up > places I have for him!  Any suggestions? > Penny > Bebe the big bad bird

The two cockatiels we have now love the floor.  We’ve seen them in the wild and they’re often in large flocks on the ground, eating and hanging out. If this is really unusual & sudden for your bird however, did you check out the legs and feet to be sure there’s nothing wrong that’s making the bird suddenly unwilling to perch?   We had a cockatiel years ago who was always a "the higher up I am, the better" type of girl and when she was 12 years old, we noticed she was suddenly always around the floor.  Checked her over good & it ended up she had the beginnings of bumblefoot.  Once that was successfully treated, she was back to her "mountain climbing" self. If there’s nothing medically wrong, you might just have to consider "adjusting" the family lifestyle — it might be that the bird is comfortable enough with the family that it feels safe on the floor.  If that’s the case, you’ll have to consider working at making it safe on the floor for the bird. Regards, TPaul    

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Geeeezzzzzz . . . cockatiels are GROUNDfeeders.  This means it’s perfectly natural and normal for your cockatiel to love being on the floor!  Your bird is probably writing to the rec.pet.human list even now and complaining about how you never let him on the floor and how can he break you of this unnatural habit. My suggestion is to get rid of the cat. And don’t spray your bird with water; that’s just teaching him to be afraid of water. Seriously, either get rid of the cat or keep the cat and bird separated by firmly closed doors. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My 4 year old cockatiel has recently turned to the love of the floor.  I > wouldn’t mind it if it wasn’t for the fact that I have a cat.  He doesn’t much > care for the bird, but I know to never undermind him.  Also, feet are an issue. >  Whenever he goes to the floor I tried spraying him with water, putting him in > his cage and saying no, but nothing works.  He’s even now walking into the > kitchen (the cat’s favorite place) and talking with the metal grate of the > fridge.  He’s fully flighted but prefers the floor to any of the higher up > places I have for him!  Any suggestions? > Penny > Bebe the big bad bird

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My 4 year old cockatiel has recently turned to the love of the floor.  I wouldn’t mind it if it wasn’t for the fact that I have a cat.  He doesn’t much care for the bird, but I know to never undermind him.  Also, feet are an issue.  Whenever he goes to the floor I tried spraying him with water, putting him in his cage and saying no, but nothing works.  He’s even now walking into the kitchen (the cat’s favorite place) and talking with the metal grate of the fridge.  He’s fully flighted but prefers the floor to any of the higher up places I have for him!  Any suggestions? Penny Bebe the big bad bird

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I purchased a Kenmore refrigerator ( made by Whirlpool ) last yeat that has a replaceable water filter mounted through the grille. I have been buying filters that process 500 gallons: they are expensive, about $30. The refrigerator has an indicator monitor that supposedly measures the amount of water that passes through the filter. It tells you when to replace the filter. It just indicated I am to replace the filter after six months of use. But is this the truth?

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> I’ve seen for a fact that when I take the frozen turkey out of the > freezer and put it in the fridge, the whole system uses less electricity > for quite a long time while the turkey keeps the fridge cold.

Yes, I’m always conscious of this when defrosting a large object. I figure I’ve already paid for the phase change to ice, and if I let it reverse in the refrigerator, I am at least getting some return on my investment. In the spirit of the "ice box". Of course when one is in a great hurry (no foresight) one must either squander the saved phase change at room temperature, or even pay a second time to have the phase change reversed in the microwave!

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> > I’ve seen for a fact that when I take the frozen turkey out of the > freezer and put it in the fridge, the whole system uses less electricity > for quite a long time while the turkey keeps the fridge cold. > Yes, I’m always conscious of this when defrosting a large object. > I figure I’ve already paid for the phase change to ice, and if I let > it reverse in the refrigerator, I am at least getting some return on > my investment.

Yeah, that’s a lot of caloric content available in that big bird. > In the spirit of the "ice box". > Of course when one is in a great hurry (no foresight) one must either > squander the saved phase change at room temperature, or even pay a > second time to have the phase change reversed in the microwave!

’tis the high price of poor planning. <g> da

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> I’ve seen for a fact that when I take the frozen turkey out of the > freezer and put it in the fridge, the whole system uses less electricity > for quite a long time while the turkey keeps the fridge cold. >Yes, I’m always conscious of this when defrosting a large object.

That’s something you have to be careful about.  If the temp detector is in the refrigerator part (and not the freezer) then your freezer will become warm because the detector "thinks" that everything is staying cold.  And somehow, I don’t know how, that detector is tied in with that light button thingie.  If your freezer doesn’t freeze, you W-40 that plug, and everything works. <snip trade-offs> /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I’ve seen for a fact that when I take the frozen turkey out of the >> freezer and put it in the fridge, the whole system uses less electricity >> for quite a long time while the turkey keeps the fridge cold. >Yes, I’m always conscious of this when defrosting a large object. > That’s something you have to be careful about.  If the temp detector > is in the refrigerator part (and not the freezer) then your > freezer will become warm because the detector "thinks" that everything > is staying cold.  

Excellent point, Dr. H. > And somehow, I don’t know how, that detector is > tied in with that light button thingie.  If your freezer doesn’t > freeze, you W-40 that plug, and everything works.

Ahem.  ITYM "WD-40".  That kind of misuse of idiom can get you laughed out of a hardware store. It could be that when the light switch sticks in the on position the added constant 40W heat source defeats the chiller.  Not to mention the fugacity of freon. I have just found a new use for an ineffective product which is supposed to waterproof fabric; the spray foam immobilizes and suffocates fleeing roaches.  When the bubbles all pop, just wipe them away! As much fun as foaming down a gasoline fire.  Maybe I got the idea from hearing about firemen foaming down a bee spill on I-95.

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> When my freezer is packed full, it seems to come on less of a demand for > electricity. When my freezer has only one ice cube tray it seems to come > on more often. Possible explanation: a full freezer has less air space > for warm air to enter > and cause the electricity to turn on. > What is the physics answer?

Well, AP. we physicists don’t agree on any precise meaning to "less of a demand for electricity". Are you saying the freezer cycles less often when empty, or uses less peak power in kilowatts,  or uses less energy in joules per day? I’ll hazard the guess that what you’ve observed ia less frequent compressor operation. That would be a property of the thermostat, and is, if anything. theoretically negatively correlated with the total energy consumption for a cooling device. However, a complete analysis would include the factor that if you know that all you have in the freezer is ice, you’d be far less likely to open it to see what’s inside. A comprehensive analysis would involve "game theory". Suggest a search for that, plus, if you’re in a hurry, "von Neumann".

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Therefore, I am considering installing freezer/refrigerator > > drawers (a product of local manufacturer Sub-Zero Corp) in my > > dream house, because the cold air doesn’t spill onto the floor to > > be replaced by warm every time the door is opened.  With a > > financial tailwind and good luck, I hope one day to realize this > > modest dream. > As an off-gridder, I’d be interested to see even rough calculations of the > energy savings with this model. But I suspect that the premium in price for > the Sub-Zero will make the energy saved veeeery expensive. Maybe we could do > a quick-and-dirty calculation on it. Our very nice, but nothing really > special, 22 cu.ft  Amana fridge/freezer uses about 1.2 kWh per day, and > costs about $1000. Do you have approximate numbers for the SZ? >http://www.subzero.com/ >No time to look the numbers up, but here’s a tip: tip your >ordinary fridge over  on its back so the doors open up, not out. >I’ve seen this arrangement in the middle of the floor, with >fridge lowered below floor level so the door becomes the floor of >the kitchen in a small Japanese appartment.

Just buy a top loader.  I think they should all be top loaders. BTW, I don’t think the compressor functions correctly tipped.

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> I have only an elementary college-level education in physics, but > I have also observed the phenomenon and pondered its cause, and > yes, the volume of warm air exchanged for cold whenever the door > is opened would seem to me the most plausible explanation. > Therefore, I am considering installing freezer/refrigerator > drawers (a product of local manufacturer Sub-Zero Corp) in my > dream house, because the cold air doesn’t spill onto the floor to > be replaced by warm every time the door is opened.  With a > financial tailwind and good luck, I hope one day to realize this > modest dream.

As an off-gridder, I’d be interested to see even rough calculations of the energy savings with this model. But I suspect that the premium in price for the Sub-Zero will make the energy saved veeeery expensive. Maybe we could do a quick-and-dirty calculation on it. Our very nice, but nothing really special, 22 cu.ft  Amana fridge/freezer uses about 1.2 kWh per day, and costs about $1000. Do you have approximate numbers for the SZ? Wayne  www.ctaz.com/~wmbjk

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Therefore, I am considering installing freezer/refrigerator > drawers (a product of local manufacturer Sub-Zero Corp) in my > dream house, because the cold air doesn’t spill onto the floor to > be replaced by warm every time the door is opened.  With a > financial tailwind and good luck, I hope one day to realize this > modest dream. > As an off-gridder, I’d be interested to see even rough calculations of the > energy savings with this model. But I suspect that the premium in price for > the Sub-Zero will make the energy saved veeeery expensive. Maybe we could do > a quick-and-dirty calculation on it. Our very nice, but nothing really > special, 22 cu.ft  Amana fridge/freezer uses about 1.2 kWh per day, and > costs about $1000. Do you have approximate numbers for the SZ?

http://www.subzero.com/ No time to look the numbers up, but here’s a tip: tip your ordinary fridge over  on its back so the doors open up, not out. I’ve seen this arrangement in the middle of the floor, with fridge lowered below floor level so the door becomes the floor of the kitchen in a small Japanese appartment. -dl

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> No time to look the numbers up, but here’s a tip: tip your > ordinary fridge over  on its back so the doors open up, not out. > I’ve seen this arrangement in the middle of the floor, with > fridge lowered below floor level so the door becomes the floor of > the kitchen in a small Japanese appartment.

So the tip is to tip? Let me guess – they stand aside on the lid of the rice steamer when opening the fridge door? Seems like they improved upon the 4 sq.ft. of floor space needed for the fridge by taking up 8 sq.ft instead. Not to mention the decreased headspace, which presumably came at the expense of their downstairs neighbor.  The trick wouldn’t work our Amana anyway, since the exhaust air exits at the rear. I suppose we could put it on its back, but up on blocks to allow air circulation. Then add a staircase, or a ladder, in order to stand high enough to open the doors. A minor complication is that the doors have shelves for milk jugs, etc., but that problem could be solved with a counterweight/pulley/rope system, or gas springs. I wonder how you’d keep those jugs from sliding around when opening the doors? Velcro maybe….  :-) If you’ve got your eye on that Sub Zero because of an energy efficient feature, even though you haven’t run the numbers yet, then I’m thinking that it must have another attraction. Available in avocado-green color perhaps? I seem to remember some SZ models touted for the benefits of having the compressor on top, ala Sunfrost. This might be a good forum for someone to calculate how many tenths of an inch of increased insulation is required to overcome the heat of a bottom-mounted compressor. Advertising copy-writers, look away now….. Wayne

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> > > There is no significant net difference in the heat energy that passes > > from outside to inside whether the freezer is full or empty, so the > > net heat load on the system is not much different. > I think an empty freezer might absorb more heat when the door is opened, > because more air will exchange with the outside. > He didn’t mention opening the freezer.

He didn’t mention not opening the freezer, either. So I think we are free to assume normal household use.

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> So the tip is to tip?

I’ll tip to that. > Let me guess – they stand aside on the lid of the rice > steamer when opening the fridge door?

When I took Japanese Literature in Translation as a college freshman I learned that non-sensical jabbering in Japanese is pronounced "hot-hot-hot-hot"!  I’m guessing this may be relevant. > Seems like they improved upon the 4 > sq.ft. of floor space needed for the fridge by taking up 8 sq.ft instead. > Not to mention the decreased headspace, which presumably came at the expense > of their downstairs neighbor.  

The doors were of the sliding variety, no lifting involved, except for the food, of course: the practice of kneeling would be most helpful for such a lifestyle.  Perhaps any compromise on headroom would be interpreted as a gesture of humble politeness (bowing) in the cultural context. > The trick wouldn’t work our Amana anyway, > since the exhaust air exits at the rear.

Another tip: educate the local high-school shop class in how to braze copper tubing: flip your fridge on it’s back – after – you have re-oriented its cooling grid to run up the side instead of inback (preferably the side that is OUTside). > I suppose we could put it on its > back, but up on blocks to allow air circulation. Then add a staircase, or a > ladder, in order to stand high enough to open the doors. A minor > complication is that the doors have shelves for milk jugs, etc., but that > problem could be solved with a counterweight/pulley/rope system, or gas > springs. I wonder how you’d keep those jugs from sliding around when opening > the doors? Velcro maybe….  :-)

Attach hose to jugs, withdraw fluid as needed by appying suction… > If you’ve got your eye on that Sub Zero because of an energy efficient > feature, even though you haven’t run the numbers yet, then I’m thinking that > it must have another attraction. Available in avocado-green color perhaps? >

Manufacturer seems partial to the brushed stainless steel look, none of those environmentally harmful enamel coatings to dispose of at the local CERCLA site. > I seem to remember some SZ models touted for the benefits of having the > compressor on top, ala Sunfrost. This might be a good forum for someone to > calculate how many tenths of an inch of increased insulation is required to > overcome the heat of a bottom-mounted compressor. Advertising copy-writers, > look away now….. > Wayne

Sorry, I only have a college freshman level education in physics: we studied millimeters and centimeters but never got to advanced topics like tenths-of-an-inch. -dl

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > I’ve seen for a fact that when I take the frozen turkey out of the > > > freezer and put it in the fridge, the whole system uses less electricity > > > for quite a long time while the turkey keeps the fridge cold. > > The reason that causes the system to use less electricity is not > > (directly) that the turkey is keeping the fridge cold, but that you are > > allowing the turkey to melt.  Given an outside temperature above the > > freezing point, allowing food to melt requires less electricity than > > keeping it frozen.  It would be similar if you simply unplugged the > > freezer.  The food would slowly melt, while the system would clearly > > consume less electricity (none at all in this case). > Not exactly. > While the heat consumed raising he turkey from 0 degrees ice to 0 > degrees water accounts for a large portion of the heat absorbed from the > system, the heat used to raise the turkey from -20 C to 10 C also > reduces the requirement for energy input. > Good point. > But again, it is the turkey melting and warming up that makes the system > use less electricity, not the turkey keeping the fridge cold.

Of course. Obviously. The turkey acquires heat from the fridge, thereby keeping the fridge cool. > To see what I mean, assuming the fridge is at 10 C, putting a turkey at > 10 C in the fridge would also "keep the fridge cold," in the sense that > the fridge would warm up more slowly (either with the power removed, or > until the compressor switched on), but it wouldn’t save any energy.

If the targeted temperature of the fridge is 10 C then, yes, OK. I addressed the idea of thermal mass in the first post and said that the turkey came out of the freezer. No point in revisiting the same old bird once again. The frozen turkey really does reduce the energy requirement of the fridge, until, eventually, it warms to the fridge ambient. At which point it gets stuffed and goes into a preheated oven, whose temperature it also reduces, requiring additional ewnergy input. Finally the turkey makes it’s way to the table and, finally, becomes an energy source for all who dine, a tastey one at that. da

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > There is no significant net difference in the heat energy that passes > > > from outside to inside whether the freezer is full or empty, so the > > > net heat load on the system is not much different. > > I think an empty freezer might absorb more heat when the door is opened, > > because more air will exchange with the outside. > He didn’t mention opening the freezer. > The OP mentioned air entering the freezer.  It is possible that he was > referring to air entering through leaks, but the obvious way that air > enters a freezer is through the door when it is opened.

Fair enough.  An empty freezer certainly lets more heat in if the door is opened briefly than a full one does.  If the door is is opened many times a day, this effect probably overwhelms all other effects. — John Popelish

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> When my freezer is packed full, it seems to come on less of a demand for > electricity. When my freezer has only one ice cube tray it seems to come > on more often. Possible explanation: a full freezer has less air space > for warm air to enter > and cause the electricity to turn on. > What is the physics answer?

The full freezer definately has greater thermal mass, and once the low temp is reached (presumably meat was already cold) it would hold the temperature longer. Once the meat was brought down to freezer temp, it wil probably hold that temp better. And since the meat doesn’t spill out like cold air would when the freezer door is open, it probably loses less heat when that door is open. But, the fridge gets its "cold" from air trickling down from the freezer and this too has to be replaced when that door is opened. I’ve seen for a fact that when I take the frozen turkey out of the freezer and put it in the fridge, the whole system uses less electricity for quite a long time while the turkey keeps the fridge cold. Good question after all. da

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> I’ve seen for a fact that when I take the frozen turkey out of the > freezer and put it in the fridge, the whole system uses less electricity > for quite a long time while the turkey keeps the fridge cold.

The reason that causes the system to use less electricity is not (directly) that the turkey is keeping the fridge cold, but that you are allowing the turkey to melt.  Given an outside temperature above the freezing point, allowing food to melt requires less electricity than keeping it frozen.  It would be similar if you simply unplugged the freezer.  The food would slowly melt, while the system would clearly consume less electricity (none at all in this case).

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> > I’ve seen for a fact that when I take the frozen turkey out of the > freezer and put it in the fridge, the whole system uses less electricity > for quite a long time while the turkey keeps the fridge cold. > The reason that causes the system to use less electricity is not > (directly) that the turkey is keeping the fridge cold, but that you are > allowing the turkey to melt.  Given an outside temperature above the > freezing point, allowing food to melt requires less electricity than > keeping it frozen.  It would be similar if you simply unplugged the > freezer.  The food would slowly melt, while the system would clearly > consume less electricity (none at all in this case).

Not exactly. While the heat consumed raising he turkey from 0 degrees ice to 0 degrees water accounts for a large portion of the heat absorbed from the system, the heat used to raise the turkey from -20 C to 10 C also reduces the requirement for energy input. And melting all the food never is an objective. da

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I’ve seen for a fact that when I take the frozen turkey out of the > > freezer and put it in the fridge, the whole system uses less electricity > > for quite a long time while the turkey keeps the fridge cold. > The reason that causes the system to use less electricity is not > (directly) that the turkey is keeping the fridge cold, but that you are > allowing the turkey to melt.  Given an outside temperature above the > freezing point, allowing food to melt requires less electricity than > keeping it frozen.  It would be similar if you simply unplugged the > freezer.  The food would slowly melt, while the system would clearly > consume less electricity (none at all in this case). > Not exactly. > While the heat consumed raising he turkey from 0 degrees ice to 0 > degrees water accounts for a large portion of the heat absorbed from the > system, the heat used to raise the turkey from -20 C to 10 C also > reduces the requirement for energy input.

Good point.   But again, it is the turkey melting and warming up that makes the system use less electricity, not the turkey keeping the fridge cold. To see what I mean, assuming the fridge is at 10 C, putting a turkey at 10 C in the fridge would also "keep the fridge cold," in the sense that the fridge would warm up more slowly (either with the power removed, or until the compressor switched on), but it wouldn’t save any energy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When my freezer is packed full, it seems to come on less of a demand for > electricity. When my freezer has only one ice cube tray it seems to come > on more often. Possible explanation: a full freezer has less air space > for warm air to enter > and cause the electricity to turn on. > What is the physics answer? >I have only an elementary college-level education in physics, but >I have also observed the phenomenon and pondered its cause, and >yes, the volume of warm air exchanged for cold whenever the door >is opened would seem to me the most plausible explanation. >Therefore, I am considering installing freezer/refrigerator >drawers (a product of local manufacturer Sub-Zero Corp) in my >dream house, because the cold air doesn’t spill onto the floor to >be replaced by warm every time the door is opened.  With a >financial tailwind and good luck, I hope one day to realize this >modest dream.

You will have the door open much longer to access things from those drawers.  Drawers are a hassle and you don’t notice those leftovers changing colors.  I would forget I have things and not notice other things are running low.  I like to make a quick two second scan and inventory. They should make a top loading freezer/refrigerator.  Top loaders don’t dump the denser cold air out when you open the door, much more efficient.  Since they only make top loader freezers, you could buy two.  Set them side by side and adjust one to 40 degrees to make it a fridge. If you really want efficiency and use air conditioning as well, think about getting those hot coils outside your house.  The heat gets transfered out of the fridge into the house to be transfered again by the AC.

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> There is no significant net difference in the heat energy that passes > from outside to inside whether the freezer is full or empty, so the > net heat load on the system is not much different.

I think an empty freezer might absorb more heat when the door is opened, because more air will exchange with the outside.

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> > There is no significant net difference in the heat energy that passes > from outside to inside whether the freezer is full or empty, so the > net heat load on the system is not much different. > I think an empty freezer might absorb more heat when the door is opened, > because more air will exchange with the outside.

He didn’t mention opening the freezer. — John Popelish

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> > > There is no significant net difference in the heat energy that passes > > from outside to inside whether the freezer is full or empty, so the > > net heat load on the system is not much different. > I think an empty freezer might absorb more heat when the door is opened, > because more air will exchange with the outside. > He didn’t mention opening the freezer.

The OP mentioned air entering the freezer.  It is possible that he was referring to air entering through leaks, but the obvious way that air enters a freezer is through the door when it is opened.

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> When my freezer is packed full, it seems to come on less of a demand for > electricity. When my freezer has only one ice cube tray it seems to come > on more often. Possible explanation: a full freezer has less air space > for warm air to enter > and cause the electricity to turn on. > What is the physics answer?

I have only an elementary college-level education in physics, but I have also observed the phenomenon and pondered its cause, and yes, the volume of warm air exchanged for cold whenever the door is opened would seem to me the most plausible explanation. Therefore, I am considering installing freezer/refrigerator drawers (a product of local manufacturer Sub-Zero Corp) in my dream house, because the cold air doesn’t spill onto the floor to be replaced by warm every time the door is opened.  With a financial tailwind and good luck, I hope one day to realize this modest dream. -dl

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> When my freezer is packed full, it seems to come on less of a demand for > electricity. When my freezer has only one ice cube tray it seems to come > on more often. Possible explanation: a full freezer has less air space > for warm air to enter > and cause the electricity to turn on. > What is the physics answer?

It may depend on how the freezer is packed.   The food acts as insulation.  That should result in lower electricity consumption, unless the thermostat or the coils are covered with food and ice, then it should take more electricity to maintain the thermostat at the same temperature. — Phil Henshaw                      

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Yes Nann — Youre most likely right: this is a 5cu ft unit. But the big fridge gets opened too frequently to make me feel comfortable.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Meds like Enbrel need to be kept stored between 36 and 46 degreesF so we > refrigerate it. > Recently I thought it would be useful to use one of those thermometers that > report indoor/outdoor temps. > Instead of wiring the sensor to the outside I stick it into the fridge. > So I can read the temp of inside the fridge without opening the door! > This is a 2nd fridge just for this purpose so I dont have to open the door > so frequently. > Well this thermometer keeps track of the high and low temps as well as > current temp. > I’ve noticed that this range can be quite substantial – as much as 10 > degreesF. > And one recent hot day much more – 36 – 49. > Okay — its not likely it stayed over 46 for very long and I assume the > enbrel is not wasted, but this raises > a question – I suspect most people just stick the meds in the fridge & > assume whatever temp it is in there all > is fine and well. > But my experience shows it takes regular oversight to ensure temps are > maintained within limits. > What do others do? > Matt. > I’m curious, is this one of those small refrigerators? I ask because in my > experience their temperature seems to vary more widely than full size ones. > Had some problems with our fridge at home when the auto-defrost died and we > monitored the temp for several months.  It rarely varied more than 4 degrees > until it started freezing up.  When it warmed up more, we knew it was time > for Mike to defrost it (I wanted to replace it, so continued defrosting > became HIS job). > But this 3.5 cubic ft baby fridge behind me seems to have temps all over the > place.  Never actually measured, just going by feel when we open it. > Not on > Enbrel tough, so I can’t help with that specifically. > — > Nann > cut the Gator cheer to email me > Not all who wander are lost — bumper sticker

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says… >  I suspect most people just stick the meds in the fridge & > assume whatever temp it is in there all > is fine and well. > But my experience shows it takes regular oversight to ensure temps are > maintained within limits.

When I was on Enbrel I kept it in the fridge and I never noticed any difference with batches etc.   A couple of times I took it on 7 to 10 day trips in a cooler and one time when I returned from a 5 day trip the ice was melted and the Enbrel was warm.  I took the shot anyway and it was fine. I don’t recommend warm Enbrel but I don’t think Enbrel is extremely sensitive to variations in fridge temps.  – MZ — Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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I know that people have warned about putting eggs in the holder of the fridge door because the temps. vary so much there. Because of this info. I keep my Enbrel at the back and side of the fridge away from the opening side of the door. Someone without kids in the house might not have to worry about it as much as I do. I swear the kitchen’s the coolest room in my house cuz the kid’s always looking for a snack! HTH, Kelly C.;o)

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Meds like Enbrel need to be kept stored between 36 and 46 degreesF so we refrigerate it. Recently I thought it would be useful to use one of those thermometers that report indoor/outdoor temps. Instead of wiring the sensor to the outside I stick it into the fridge. So I can read the temp of inside the fridge without opening the door! This is a 2nd fridge just for this purpose so I dont have to open the door so frequently. Well this thermometer keeps track of the high and low temps as well as current temp. I’ve noticed that this range can be quite substantial – as much as 10 degreesF. And one recent hot day much more – 36 – 49. Okay — its not likely it stayed over 46 for very long and I assume the enbrel is not wasted, but this raises a question – I suspect most people just stick the meds in the fridge & assume whatever temp it is in there all is fine and well. But my experience shows it takes regular oversight to ensure temps are maintained within limits. What do others do? Matt.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Meds like Enbrel need to be kept stored between 36 and 46 degreesF so we > refrigerate it. > Recently I thought it would be useful to use one of those thermometers that > report indoor/outdoor temps. > Instead of wiring the sensor to the outside I stick it into the fridge. > So I can read the temp of inside the fridge without opening the door! > This is a 2nd fridge just for this purpose so I dont have to open the door > so frequently. > Well this thermometer keeps track of the high and low temps as well as > current temp. > I’ve noticed that this range can be quite substantial – as much as 10 > degreesF. > And one recent hot day much more – 36 – 49. > Okay — its not likely it stayed over 46 for very long and I assume the > enbrel is not wasted, but this raises > a question – I suspect most people just stick the meds in the fridge & > assume whatever temp it is in there all > is fine and well. > But my experience shows it takes regular oversight to ensure temps are > maintained within limits. > What do others do? > Matt.

I’m curious, is this one of those small refrigerators? I ask because in my experience their temperature seems to vary more widely than full size ones. Had some problems with our fridge at home when the auto-defrost died and we monitored the temp for several months.  It rarely varied more than 4 degrees until it started freezing up.  When it warmed up more, we knew it was time for Mike to defrost it (I wanted to replace it, so continued defrosting became HIS job). But this 3.5 cubic ft baby fridge behind me seems to have temps all over the place.  Never actually measured, just going by feel when we open it. Not on Enbrel tough, so I can’t help with that specifically. — Nann cut the Gator cheer to email me Not all who wander are lost — bumper sticker

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Hi Matt,     I keep my frig on the colder side of the temp range.  One thing that is in our favor is that Enbrel is in a pack which is in a box and says close to the average temp of our frig.  The inside of the pack does not change all that much.  The medicine is a protein in an almost sterile environment.  I do not think it is as fragile as one might think  I have had some for over 6 months in my frig and it still does the job.  It still gives me  a two inch red area around the shot area and is holding my RA in a sleeping state.   That red area is the same reaction that people have to Kinerete.  It just does not burn as much for me.      The putting of a sensor in the frig makes me smile.  I was one of those kids that opened it over and over to see if the light was on or out. LOLOL Harv

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Meds like Enbrel need to be kept stored between 36 and 46 degreesF so we > refrigerate it. > Recently I thought it would be useful to use one of those thermometers that > report indoor/outdoor temps. > Instead of wiring the sensor to the outside I stick it into the fridge. > So I can read the temp of inside the fridge without opening the door! > This is a 2nd fridge just for this purpose so I dont have to open the door > so frequently. > Well this thermometer keeps track of the high and low temps as well as > current temp. > I’ve noticed that this range can be quite substantial – as much as 10 > degreesF. > And one recent hot day much more – 36 – 49. > Okay — its not likely it stayed over 46 for very long and I assume the > enbrel is not wasted, but this raises > a question – I suspect most people just stick the meds in the fridge & > assume whatever temp it is in there all > is fine and well. > But my experience shows it takes regular oversight to ensure temps are > maintained within limits. > What do others do? > Matt.

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I am new to canary breeding.  I have a yellow male and a red factor female. I also have two baby red factors (born in April) which my female is the foster mom.  I think they are male and female.  I would like any and all information on breeding, especially on cages, diet, and when to start the breeding process.  Thank you.

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Hello! Please visit the Canary List archives located at:  http://members.aol.com/CanaryList/index.htm.  You can search for particular topics. If you have any specific questions, feel free to e-mail me privately. Pamela San Diego, CA http://spanishtimbrado.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am new to canary breeding.  I have a yellow male and a red factor > female. I also have two baby red factors (born in April) which my female > is the foster mom.  I think they are male and female.  I would like any > and all information on breeding, especially on cages, diet, and when to > start the breeding process.  Thank you.

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>   (snip) >  You might also reduce the diet a little after they chicks are weaned. Stop > giving egg food, millet and other rich foods. > oh, oh.!..but they can see me in the kitchen from far away,  the

demand the good stuff. jijiji Will do that  ( even if they go nuts in their cages) .  I have another canary that recognize the lettuce even before I take it out of the fridge. It amazes me how this tiny birds have such a huge brain.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->   (snip) >  You might also reduce the diet a little after they chicks are > weaned. Stop > giving egg food, millet and other rich foods. > oh, oh.!..but they can see me in the kitchen from far away,  the > demand the good stuff. jijiji > Will do that  ( even if they go nuts in their cages) .  I have another > canary that recognize the lettuce even before I take it out of the > fridge. It amazes me how this tiny birds have such a huge brain.

 Lol, in my pet turkey, the opposite is true. For such a large bird, he has a very small brain. Poor old ‘joseph’. I love him anyway. — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Hola Di: Please visit Roberta ("Robirda") MacDonald’s website at http://www.robirda.com.  She has the BEST canary information available on the Internet.   ALSO, you should join the Canary List, an email discussion group for canary hobbyists only.  The website is at http://members.aol.com/CanaryList.

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: > : My friend has a Kitchenaid refrigerator (Yes, pat, we believe you), but : at : > : any rate, : > : she’s had it for 5 years, and suddenly, it’s pooling water in the : bottom, : > : which is kind of messy, : > : because the crispers get wet  and she needs to towel it out. : > : : > : I helped her vacuum the coils underneath, and we cleaned the drip pan : but : > : that was bone dry. : > : : > : could anyone suggest what’s happening? : > : : > : The freezer isn’t apparently iced up,  so i doubt the freezer needs : > : de-icing, : > : does anyone have  aclue? : > : : > : Why would this occur now? : > : Is it a busted de-icing circuit?  Plugged drip line? : > : : > : Can anyone suggest something, without having to pull the damn thing out : of : > : the kitchen? : > : : > : Pat : > : : > : > I had a similar problem, except the water was collecting under the front : > left corner of the fridge, on the floor.  After a week of trying to : defrost : > and racking my brain, I finally checked the little cup that funnels the : > drainage from the freezer and found it filled with water.  I stuck a 14" : > plastic cable tie down it and it cleared whatever was blocking it : > immediately.   No problems since (and it’s been 2 weeks). : > : > Sprucedale : > : : so look in the refrigerator section, top, for the cup and try cleaning that : out. : : Okay : : > That’s it!!  Right below – just an inch or so – the freezer, in the centre, at the back of the fridge.    Not much room to maneuver, which is why I was so pleased with myself for thinking of the plastic cable tie.  Good luck!! Sprucedale

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > : My friend has a Kitchenaid refrigerator (Yes, pat, we believe you), but at > : any rate, > : she’s had it for 5 years, and suddenly, it’s pooling water in the bottom, > : which is kind of messy, > : because the crispers get wet  and she needs to towel it out. > : > : I helped her vacuum the coils underneath, and we cleaned the drip pan but > : that was bone dry. > : > : could anyone suggest what’s happening? > : > : The freezer isn’t apparently iced up,  so i doubt the freezer needs > : de-icing, > : does anyone have  aclue? > : > : Why would this occur now? > : Is it a busted de-icing circuit?  Plugged drip line? > : > : Can anyone suggest something, without having to pull the damn thing out of > : the kitchen? > : > : Pat > : > I had a similar problem, except the water was collecting under the front > left corner of the fridge, on the floor.  After a week of trying to defrost > and racking my brain, I finally checked the little cup that funnels the > drainage from the freezer and found it filled with water.  I stuck a 14" > plastic cable tie down it and it cleared whatever was blocking it > immediately.   No problems since (and it’s been 2 weeks). > Sprucedale

so look in the refrigerator section, top, for the cup and try cleaning that out. Okay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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: My friend has a Kitchenaid refrigerator (Yes, pat, we believe you), but at : any rate, : she’s had it for 5 years, and suddenly, it’s pooling water in the bottom, : which is kind of messy, : because the crispers get wet  and she needs to towel it out. : : I helped her vacuum the coils underneath, and we cleaned the drip pan but : that was bone dry. : : could anyone suggest what’s happening? : : The freezer isn’t apparently iced up,  so i doubt the freezer needs : de-icing, : does anyone have  aclue? : : Why would this occur now? : Is it a busted de-icing circuit?  Plugged drip line? : : Can anyone suggest something, without having to pull the damn thing out of : the kitchen? : : Pat : I had a similar problem, except the water was collecting under the front left corner of the fridge, on the floor.  After a week of trying to defrost and racking my brain, I finally checked the little cup that funnels the drainage from the freezer and found it filled with water.  I stuck a 14" plastic cable tie down it and it cleared whatever was blocking it immediately.   No problems since (and it’s been 2 weeks). Sprucedale

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My friend has a Kitchenaid refrigerator (Yes, pat, we believe you), but at any rate, she’s had it for 5 years, and suddenly, it’s pooling water in the bottom, which is kind of messy, because the crispers get wet  and she needs to towel it out. I helped her vacuum the coils underneath, and we cleaned the drip pan but that was bone dry. could anyone suggest what’s happening? The freezer isn’t apparently iced up,  so i doubt the freezer needs de-icing, does anyone have  aclue? Why would this occur now? Is it a busted de-icing circuit?  Plugged drip line? Can anyone suggest something, without having to pull the damn thing out of the kitchen? Pat

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Or clogged drip line (drip tube). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Plugged drip line?

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>My friend has a Kitchenaid refrigerator (Yes, pat, we believe you), but at >any rate, she’s had it for 5 years, and suddenly, it’s pooling water in the > bottom, which is kind of messy, because the crispers get wet  and she > needs to towel it out. >I helped her vacuum the coils underneath, and we cleaned the drip pan but >that was bone dry.

Very likely the defrost drain line is blocked. >Why would this occur now?

Stuff happens. Why ask why? >Is it a busted de-icing circuit?

*Defost* systen, unlikely. >  Plugged drip line?

Most likely. >Can anyone suggest something

The following link may give you a general idea what could be involved, depending on the design of the actual model your friend has. http://www.american-appliance.com/service_pages/general_tips/ref_drai… cs.htm (should be all on one line) > without having to pull the damn thing out of the kitchen?

99.999999999% of the time most refrigerators can be repaired in the home. Pulling it out from the *wall* may be needed, depending on the job but usually a kitchen is a sufficient work area for most repairs. Dan O. – Appliance411.com http://ng.Appliance411.com/?ref411=KitchenAid+fridge =

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"mpsale" wrote > I have a GE side by side and have hated it almost from the moment I bought > it, mind you it’s only a 19cu ft. (it’s 12 yrs old now) > The refridgerator side is too narrow for practical uses. > I ended up buying another fridge for my basement and that’s where the left > overs go. > I am currently looking for a new fridge and I am thinking of buying one of > the freezer on the bottom models, as everyone I know who has one of that > type seems pleased with that design. > Does anyone have comments on the "bottom mount" fridges??? >i have one. i like it much better than the top mount, except for >1: the freezer has 2 pullout drawers rather than a door. it holds less >because of the drawer mechanism. >2: the ice maker overflows and drops cubes down under the bottom tray, which >is a pain to get. > BTW: > Consumer Reports rates Maytag as ‘higher than average’ frequency of >repairs. >btw: amana makes all of them for all brands.

Both Amana and GE make bottom freezer refrigerators as well as some high-end manufacturers like Sub Zero. I do agree that Amana makes them for most of the other big brand names (KitchenAid, Maytag, etc.) however, if you buy a Kenmore you may get a GE manufactured one (or Amana). Dan O. – Appliance411.com http://ng.Appliance411.com/?ref411=Amana+refrigerator =

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Sending supportive purrs to you and Nicky from us! Christine, Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh man, what an adventure. > I have to tube feed him, every 6 hours. > The recipe is: 3 cans of recovery formula Eukaneuba Maximum Calory, 8 > tablets of potassium gluconate crushed and 8 oz of water.  And I keep > this in the fridge.  Nicky needs 200ml of this concoction every day. > Plus 2 amoxil(antibiotic) every day. > The problem is when I inject Nicky the formula using a syringe, > there’s grit in the formula so sometimes it doesn’t flow as it should. > I don’t want to impart too much pressure. > I live alone and and I don’t think it’ll be easy when he starts to > regain some of his health because holding him while I feed him is > going to be my major headache.  Now he justs flops on his side. > As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, > to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he > was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. > He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started > taking pictures. > Bye > Robert

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Thanks for the update.  GOOD LUCK!!!  Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh man, what an adventure. > I have to tube feed him, every 6 hours. > The recipe is: 3 cans of recovery formula Eukaneuba Maximum Calory, 8 > tablets of potassium gluconate crushed and 8 oz of water.  And I keep > this in the fridge.  Nicky needs 200ml of this concoction every day. > Plus 2 amoxil(antibiotic) every day. > The problem is when I inject Nicky the formula using a syringe, > there’s grit in the formula so sometimes it doesn’t flow as it should. > I don’t want to impart too much pressure. > I live alone and and I don’t think it’ll be easy when he starts to > regain some of his health because holding him while I feed him is > going to be my major headache.  Now he justs flops on his side. > As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, > to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he > was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. > He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started > taking pictures. > Bye > Robert

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My best wishes to you and Nicky both.  Maybe by the time he is able to resist your efforts, he will feel like eating some on his own. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

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Up until tonight’s 18:00 feeding I was fighting with the syringe. There’s some fine particles in the mixture that gets lodged in the syringe’s exit tube.  So today I decided to enlarge but slightly the syringe’s exit tube, wow what a difference that made.  At least a 50 % improvement. Thanks Christine, Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo, Lee and Candace Robert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My best wishes to you and Nicky both.  Maybe by the time he is able to resist >your efforts, he will feel like eating some on his own. >Candace >(take the litter out before replying by e-mail) >See my cats: >http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

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>As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, >to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he >was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. >He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started >taking pictures.

Robert, this is a good sign!  Healing glow to you and Nicky. Purrs and headbonks, Lauren

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Oh man, what an adventure. I have to tube feed him, every 6 hours. The recipe is: 3 cans of recovery formula Eukaneuba Maximum Calory, 8 tablets of potassium gluconate crushed and 8 oz of water.  And I keep this in the fridge.  Nicky needs 200ml of this concoction every day. Plus 2 amoxil(antibiotic) every day. The problem is when I inject Nicky the formula using a syringe, there’s grit in the formula so sometimes it doesn’t flow as it should. I don’t want to impart too much pressure. I live alone and and I don’t think it’ll be easy when he starts to regain some of his health because holding him while I feed him is going to be my major headache.  Now he justs flops on his side. As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started taking pictures. Bye Robert

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Sending supportive purrs to you and Nicky from us! Christine, Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh man, what an adventure. > I have to tube feed him, every 6 hours. > The recipe is: 3 cans of recovery formula Eukaneuba Maximum Calory, 8 > tablets of potassium gluconate crushed and 8 oz of water.  And I keep > this in the fridge.  Nicky needs 200ml of this concoction every day. > Plus 2 amoxil(antibiotic) every day. > The problem is when I inject Nicky the formula using a syringe, > there’s grit in the formula so sometimes it doesn’t flow as it should. > I don’t want to impart too much pressure. > I live alone and and I don’t think it’ll be easy when he starts to > regain some of his health because holding him while I feed him is > going to be my major headache.  Now he justs flops on his side. > As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, > to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he > was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. > He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started > taking pictures. > Bye > Robert

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Thanks for the update.  GOOD LUCK!!!  Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh man, what an adventure. > I have to tube feed him, every 6 hours. > The recipe is: 3 cans of recovery formula Eukaneuba Maximum Calory, 8 > tablets of potassium gluconate crushed and 8 oz of water.  And I keep > this in the fridge.  Nicky needs 200ml of this concoction every day. > Plus 2 amoxil(antibiotic) every day. > The problem is when I inject Nicky the formula using a syringe, > there’s grit in the formula so sometimes it doesn’t flow as it should. > I don’t want to impart too much pressure. > I live alone and and I don’t think it’ll be easy when he starts to > regain some of his health because holding him while I feed him is > going to be my major headache.  Now he justs flops on his side. > As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, > to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he > was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. > He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started > taking pictures. > Bye > Robert

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My best wishes to you and Nicky both.  Maybe by the time he is able to resist your efforts, he will feel like eating some on his own. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

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Up until tonight’s 18:00 feeding I was fighting with the syringe. There’s some fine particles in the mixture that gets lodged in the syringe’s exit tube.  So today I decided to enlarge but slightly the syringe’s exit tube, wow what a difference that made.  At least a 50 % improvement. Thanks Christine, Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo, Lee and Candace Robert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My best wishes to you and Nicky both.  Maybe by the time he is able to resist >your efforts, he will feel like eating some on his own. >Candace >(take the litter out before replying by e-mail) >See my cats: >http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

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>As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, >to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he >was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. >He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started >taking pictures.

Robert, this is a good sign!  Healing glow to you and Nicky. Purrs and headbonks, Lauren

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Oh man, what an adventure. I have to tube feed him, every 6 hours. The recipe is: 3 cans of recovery formula Eukaneuba Maximum Calory, 8 tablets of potassium gluconate crushed and 8 oz of water.  And I keep this in the fridge.  Nicky needs 200ml of this concoction every day. Plus 2 amoxil(antibiotic) every day. The problem is when I inject Nicky the formula using a syringe, there’s grit in the formula so sometimes it doesn’t flow as it should. I don’t want to impart too much pressure. I live alone and and I don’t think it’ll be easy when he starts to regain some of his health because holding him while I feed him is going to be my major headache.  Now he justs flops on his side. As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started taking pictures. Bye Robert

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Sending supportive purrs to you and Nicky from us! Christine, Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh man, what an adventure. > I have to tube feed him, every 6 hours. > The recipe is: 3 cans of recovery formula Eukaneuba Maximum Calory, 8 > tablets of potassium gluconate crushed and 8 oz of water.  And I keep > this in the fridge.  Nicky needs 200ml of this concoction every day. > Plus 2 amoxil(antibiotic) every day. > The problem is when I inject Nicky the formula using a syringe, > there’s grit in the formula so sometimes it doesn’t flow as it should. > I don’t want to impart too much pressure. > I live alone and and I don’t think it’ll be easy when he starts to > regain some of his health because holding him while I feed him is > going to be my major headache.  Now he justs flops on his side. > As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, > to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he > was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. > He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started > taking pictures. > Bye > Robert

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Thanks for the update.  GOOD LUCK!!!  Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh man, what an adventure. > I have to tube feed him, every 6 hours. > The recipe is: 3 cans of recovery formula Eukaneuba Maximum Calory, 8 > tablets of potassium gluconate crushed and 8 oz of water.  And I keep > this in the fridge.  Nicky needs 200ml of this concoction every day. > Plus 2 amoxil(antibiotic) every day. > The problem is when I inject Nicky the formula using a syringe, > there’s grit in the formula so sometimes it doesn’t flow as it should. > I don’t want to impart too much pressure. > I live alone and and I don’t think it’ll be easy when he starts to > regain some of his health because holding him while I feed him is > going to be my major headache.  Now he justs flops on his side. > As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, > to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he > was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. > He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started > taking pictures. > Bye > Robert

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My best wishes to you and Nicky both.  Maybe by the time he is able to resist your efforts, he will feel like eating some on his own. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

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Up until tonight’s 18:00 feeding I was fighting with the syringe. There’s some fine particles in the mixture that gets lodged in the syringe’s exit tube.  So today I decided to enlarge but slightly the syringe’s exit tube, wow what a difference that made.  At least a 50 % improvement. Thanks Christine, Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo, Lee and Candace Robert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My best wishes to you and Nicky both.  Maybe by the time he is able to resist >your efforts, he will feel like eating some on his own. >Candace >(take the litter out before replying by e-mail) >See my cats: >http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

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>As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, >to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he >was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. >He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started >taking pictures.

Robert, this is a good sign!  Healing glow to you and Nicky. Purrs and headbonks, Lauren

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Oh man, what an adventure. I have to tube feed him, every 6 hours. The recipe is: 3 cans of recovery formula Eukaneuba Maximum Calory, 8 tablets of potassium gluconate crushed and 8 oz of water.  And I keep this in the fridge.  Nicky needs 200ml of this concoction every day. Plus 2 amoxil(antibiotic) every day. The problem is when I inject Nicky the formula using a syringe, there’s grit in the formula so sometimes it doesn’t flow as it should. I don’t want to impart too much pressure. I live alone and and I don’t think it’ll be easy when he starts to regain some of his health because holding him while I feed him is going to be my major headache.  Now he justs flops on his side. As soon as Nicky got out of his cage he made a tour of the appartment, to make sure he was home, smelled his litter bos.  Once he was sure he was home, he just slumped to the floor, exhaustion I guess. He’s doing OK, he jumped on the kitchen chair this morning!  I started taking pictures. Bye Robert

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Update on Bucket: > For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous > mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is > malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are > excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that > spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat > at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t > run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when > he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very > own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s > always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to > play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two > things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and > she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as > much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s > so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his > head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from > nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach > across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. > I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own > life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. > Stuart

Stuart, I can understand how you’re feeling. I just measured my Alex because Buckethead sounded about Alex’s size- and he is. Alex is the same length as Buckethead, and currently weighs 9.5 pounds. He was 18-20 pounds at his peak, so he’s looking incredibly bony and awful (His head is the size of a softball and he’s very long legged and broad through the chest and shoulders, which makes the rest of him look even weirder). With that said, as you may have read in other posts, I’ve been having him treated with chemotherapy (in fact, he just got home from this week’s treatment), and he’s doing *very* well. He just now jumped up on the couch with me; I think he knew I was writing about him. I really put a lot of thought into whether or not I wanted to put him through the chemo because I was so fearful that: a. It wouldn’t help and more important, b. It wouldn’t make him feel any better. However, he has improved *so* much in just five weeks that I feel blessed. Even though I know that he will die from this (intestinal lymphosarcoma) sooner or later, I feel that I’ve made his remaining time more comfortable for him. If it’s possible, I would encourage you to take Buckethead to a veterinary oncologist if for no other reason than to get a second opinion and see if there are treatment options for Buckethead. Alex would have been dead by Christmas if I hadn’t gone ahead with the chemo, and looking at him today (currently stalking down the hallway after walloping Oscar, who now outweighs him by seven or eight pounds), I can’t help but feel that I made the right decision for Alex and me. What has been most surprising to me is the overall equanimity with which he’s accepting the trips to the vet and the daily shoving of pills down his throat. I thought that the stress would be horrible for him, but he really does seem to have adjusted well. He does, however, seem to consider the veterinarians to be various incarnations of Satan. };-P Laura — One man’s mundane and boring existence is another man’s Technicolor. -Tick, Strange Days

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I hope you have gotten a second opinion.  You’d do this if it was your wife or child, right?  If you have the money, do it for your cat.  I can’t tell you the number of times that I’ve done this that the first vet has been "wrong".

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Update on Bucket: > For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous > mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is > malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are > excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that > spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat > at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t > run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when > he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very > own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s > always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to > play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two > things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and > she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as > much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s > so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his > head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from > nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach > across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. > I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own > life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. > Stuart

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Hi all! I can’t thank you all enough for the kind responses and suggestions you’ve written. When I ran across this group, I never even thought that anyone would read my message, much less reply to it. It means a great deal knowing that there actually people that care out there. Well, things are looking up a bit. I baked Buckethead his very own turkey. The strange thing is, I gave him a plate as soon as it came out of the oven, and had cooled a bit, and he sniffed it and walked away. I put a plate in in the fridge for awhile and then gave it to him, and he wolfed it down! That is one wacko cat. The biggest problem is that he has never actually lost his appitite. Most of the day, he will sit on the floor in front of the kitchen door, which is kept closed, (because neither he nor his sister Doodlebug have ever been able, in 12 years, to differentiate between linoleum flooring and a litter box) and whine incessantly, especially if I’m where he can see me. If I let him in the kitchen, he’ll go straight to the fridge and sit down and whine some more. If I open the fridge door, he’ll climb up to the bottom right hand shelf and look for his turkey! I guess I’ll be baking a turkey once a week for as long as he’s still with me. I won’t mind a bit. The prednesone has seemed to give him a bit more energy, although he is still very bony. He’s gone from around 13 1/2 pounds to 10 lb. 8 oz. in about a month. I’m going to check into a pet cemetary I heard about near Greensboro where I live and see if they have some kind of "layaway" plan or something. Bucket deserves as much as I can do for him, for all the love and laughs that he’s given me. By the way, regarding the origin of the name Buckethead. His real name is Linus, but around 3 months old, whenever I would turn on a water faucet, he would jump up on the counter and actually stick his head under the running water, and bat at the water running off of his nose, as though his head was a bucket. I’m telling you, he’s nuts! Well, thank you all again for the kind thoughts and words, and I’ll keep you updated. Stuart

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Update on Bucket: For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. Stuart

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I’m sorry to hear of his diagnosis.  I hope he can continue to feel at least relatively well for a long while.  Has the vet recommended anything, re: treatment?  I don’t remember (& don’t see past posts in the view I’m using at the moment) – did you by any chance consult a vet oncologist? Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Update on Bucket: > For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous > mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is > malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are > excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that > spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat > at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t > run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when > he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very > own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s > always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to > play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two > things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and > she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as > much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s > so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his > head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from > nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach > across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. > I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own > life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. > Stuart

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Hi everyone. I just thought I would send a message to you all and let you know that Buckethead died last night at 1:36am. I can’t tell you enough how much your kind words and e-mails meant to me during his ordeal. Thank you so very much. Stuart Bowman

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>Hi everyone. I just thought I would send a message to you all and let >you know that Buckethead died last night at 1:36am.

Stuart, I am very sorry for your loss.  Please accept my condolences. In sympathy, Lauren =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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I am very sorry for your loss as well. My sympathies. — Cat Galaxy- The Internet radio station for cats. Meow meow meow!! http://www.live365.com/stations/231353 Real Player and Winamp: 66.28.48.193:10518 The forum for felines everywhere. Join the Cats forum on Delphi http://forums.delphiforums.com/Felinefrenzy/start

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone. I just thought I would send a message to you all and let > you know that Buckethead died last night at 1:36am. I can’t tell you > enough how much your kind words and e-mails meant to me during his > ordeal. Thank you so very much. Stuart Bowman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Update on Bucket: > For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous > mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is > malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are > excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that > spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat > at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t > run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when > he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very > own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s > always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to > play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two > things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and > she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as > much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s > so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his > head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from > nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach > across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. > I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own > life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. > Stuart

Stuart, I can understand how you’re feeling. I just measured my Alex because Buckethead sounded about Alex’s size- and he is. Alex is the same length as Buckethead, and currently weighs 9.5 pounds. He was 18-20 pounds at his peak, so he’s looking incredibly bony and awful (His head is the size of a softball and he’s very long legged and broad through the chest and shoulders, which makes the rest of him look even weirder). With that said, as you may have read in other posts, I’ve been having him treated with chemotherapy (in fact, he just got home from this week’s treatment), and he’s doing *very* well. He just now jumped up on the couch with me; I think he knew I was writing about him. I really put a lot of thought into whether or not I wanted to put him through the chemo because I was so fearful that: a. It wouldn’t help and more important, b. It wouldn’t make him feel any better. However, he has improved *so* much in just five weeks that I feel blessed. Even though I know that he will die from this (intestinal lymphosarcoma) sooner or later, I feel that I’ve made his remaining time more comfortable for him. If it’s possible, I would encourage you to take Buckethead to a veterinary oncologist if for no other reason than to get a second opinion and see if there are treatment options for Buckethead. Alex would have been dead by Christmas if I hadn’t gone ahead with the chemo, and looking at him today (currently stalking down the hallway after walloping Oscar, who now outweighs him by seven or eight pounds), I can’t help but feel that I made the right decision for Alex and me. What has been most surprising to me is the overall equanimity with which he’s accepting the trips to the vet and the daily shoving of pills down his throat. I thought that the stress would be horrible for him, but he really does seem to have adjusted well. He does, however, seem to consider the veterinarians to be various incarnations of Satan. };-P Laura — One man’s mundane and boring existence is another man’s Technicolor. -Tick, Strange Days

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I hope you have gotten a second opinion.  You’d do this if it was your wife or child, right?  If you have the money, do it for your cat.  I can’t tell you the number of times that I’ve done this that the first vet has been "wrong".

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Update on Bucket: > For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous > mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is > malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are > excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that > spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat > at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t > run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when > he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very > own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s > always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to > play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two > things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and > she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as > much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s > so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his > head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from > nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach > across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. > I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own > life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. > Stuart

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Hi all! I can’t thank you all enough for the kind responses and suggestions you’ve written. When I ran across this group, I never even thought that anyone would read my message, much less reply to it. It means a great deal knowing that there actually people that care out there. Well, things are looking up a bit. I baked Buckethead his very own turkey. The strange thing is, I gave him a plate as soon as it came out of the oven, and had cooled a bit, and he sniffed it and walked away. I put a plate in in the fridge for awhile and then gave it to him, and he wolfed it down! That is one wacko cat. The biggest problem is that he has never actually lost his appitite. Most of the day, he will sit on the floor in front of the kitchen door, which is kept closed, (because neither he nor his sister Doodlebug have ever been able, in 12 years, to differentiate between linoleum flooring and a litter box) and whine incessantly, especially if I’m where he can see me. If I let him in the kitchen, he’ll go straight to the fridge and sit down and whine some more. If I open the fridge door, he’ll climb up to the bottom right hand shelf and look for his turkey! I guess I’ll be baking a turkey once a week for as long as he’s still with me. I won’t mind a bit. The prednesone has seemed to give him a bit more energy, although he is still very bony. He’s gone from around 13 1/2 pounds to 10 lb. 8 oz. in about a month. I’m going to check into a pet cemetary I heard about near Greensboro where I live and see if they have some kind of "layaway" plan or something. Bucket deserves as much as I can do for him, for all the love and laughs that he’s given me. By the way, regarding the origin of the name Buckethead. His real name is Linus, but around 3 months old, whenever I would turn on a water faucet, he would jump up on the counter and actually stick his head under the running water, and bat at the water running off of his nose, as though his head was a bucket. I’m telling you, he’s nuts! Well, thank you all again for the kind thoughts and words, and I’ll keep you updated. Stuart

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Update on Bucket: For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. Stuart

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I’m sorry to hear of his diagnosis.  I hope he can continue to feel at least relatively well for a long while.  Has the vet recommended anything, re: treatment?  I don’t remember (& don’t see past posts in the view I’m using at the moment) – did you by any chance consult a vet oncologist? Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Update on Bucket: > For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous > mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is > malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are > excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that > spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat > at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t > run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when > he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very > own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s > always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to > play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two > things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and > she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as > much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s > so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his > head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from > nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach > across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. > I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own > life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. > Stuart

Response:

Hi everyone. I just thought I would send a message to you all and let you know that Buckethead died last night at 1:36am. I can’t tell you enough how much your kind words and e-mails meant to me during his ordeal. Thank you so very much. Stuart Bowman

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>Hi everyone. I just thought I would send a message to you all and let >you know that Buckethead died last night at 1:36am.

Stuart, I am very sorry for your loss.  Please accept my condolences. In sympathy, Lauren =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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I am very sorry for your loss as well. My sympathies. — Cat Galaxy- The Internet radio station for cats. Meow meow meow!! http://www.live365.com/stations/231353 Real Player and Winamp: 66.28.48.193:10518 The forum for felines everywhere. Join the Cats forum on Delphi http://forums.delphiforums.com/Felinefrenzy/start

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone. I just thought I would send a message to you all and let > you know that Buckethead died last night at 1:36am. I can’t tell you > enough how much your kind words and e-mails meant to me during his > ordeal. Thank you so very much. Stuart Bowman

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Update on Bucket: > For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous > mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is > malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are > excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that > spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat > at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t > run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when > he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very > own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s > always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to > play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two > things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and > she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as > much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s > so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his > head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from > nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach > across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. > I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own > life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. > Stuart

Stuart, I can understand how you’re feeling. I just measured my Alex because Buckethead sounded about Alex’s size- and he is. Alex is the same length as Buckethead, and currently weighs 9.5 pounds. He was 18-20 pounds at his peak, so he’s looking incredibly bony and awful (His head is the size of a softball and he’s very long legged and broad through the chest and shoulders, which makes the rest of him look even weirder). With that said, as you may have read in other posts, I’ve been having him treated with chemotherapy (in fact, he just got home from this week’s treatment), and he’s doing *very* well. He just now jumped up on the couch with me; I think he knew I was writing about him. I really put a lot of thought into whether or not I wanted to put him through the chemo because I was so fearful that: a. It wouldn’t help and more important, b. It wouldn’t make him feel any better. However, he has improved *so* much in just five weeks that I feel blessed. Even though I know that he will die from this (intestinal lymphosarcoma) sooner or later, I feel that I’ve made his remaining time more comfortable for him. If it’s possible, I would encourage you to take Buckethead to a veterinary oncologist if for no other reason than to get a second opinion and see if there are treatment options for Buckethead. Alex would have been dead by Christmas if I hadn’t gone ahead with the chemo, and looking at him today (currently stalking down the hallway after walloping Oscar, who now outweighs him by seven or eight pounds), I can’t help but feel that I made the right decision for Alex and me. What has been most surprising to me is the overall equanimity with which he’s accepting the trips to the vet and the daily shoving of pills down his throat. I thought that the stress would be horrible for him, but he really does seem to have adjusted well. He does, however, seem to consider the veterinarians to be various incarnations of Satan. };-P Laura — One man’s mundane and boring existence is another man’s Technicolor. -Tick, Strange Days

Response:

I hope you have gotten a second opinion.  You’d do this if it was your wife or child, right?  If you have the money, do it for your cat.  I can’t tell you the number of times that I’ve done this that the first vet has been "wrong".

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Update on Bucket: > For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous > mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is > malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are > excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that > spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat > at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t > run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when > he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very > own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s > always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to > play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two > things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and > she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as > much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s > so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his > head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from > nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach > across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. > I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own > life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. > Stuart

Response:

Hi all! I can’t thank you all enough for the kind responses and suggestions you’ve written. When I ran across this group, I never even thought that anyone would read my message, much less reply to it. It means a great deal knowing that there actually people that care out there. Well, things are looking up a bit. I baked Buckethead his very own turkey. The strange thing is, I gave him a plate as soon as it came out of the oven, and had cooled a bit, and he sniffed it and walked away. I put a plate in in the fridge for awhile and then gave it to him, and he wolfed it down! That is one wacko cat. The biggest problem is that he has never actually lost his appitite. Most of the day, he will sit on the floor in front of the kitchen door, which is kept closed, (because neither he nor his sister Doodlebug have ever been able, in 12 years, to differentiate between linoleum flooring and a litter box) and whine incessantly, especially if I’m where he can see me. If I let him in the kitchen, he’ll go straight to the fridge and sit down and whine some more. If I open the fridge door, he’ll climb up to the bottom right hand shelf and look for his turkey! I guess I’ll be baking a turkey once a week for as long as he’s still with me. I won’t mind a bit. The prednesone has seemed to give him a bit more energy, although he is still very bony. He’s gone from around 13 1/2 pounds to 10 lb. 8 oz. in about a month. I’m going to check into a pet cemetary I heard about near Greensboro where I live and see if they have some kind of "layaway" plan or something. Bucket deserves as much as I can do for him, for all the love and laughs that he’s given me. By the way, regarding the origin of the name Buckethead. His real name is Linus, but around 3 months old, whenever I would turn on a water faucet, he would jump up on the counter and actually stick his head under the running water, and bat at the water running off of his nose, as though his head was a bucket. I’m telling you, he’s nuts! Well, thank you all again for the kind thoughts and words, and I’ll keep you updated. Stuart

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Update on Bucket: For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. Stuart

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I’m sorry to hear of his diagnosis.  I hope he can continue to feel at least relatively well for a long while.  Has the vet recommended anything, re: treatment?  I don’t remember (& don’t see past posts in the view I’m using at the moment) – did you by any chance consult a vet oncologist? Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Update on Bucket: > For anyone interested who missed my first post. Bucket has a fibrous > mass in the mesentary area of his torso which the vet says is > malignant. He’s quite thin and bony right now, but his spirits are > excellent and although he doesn’t play very much, I can still see that > spark in his eye when I wiggle around his favorite toys. He will bat > at them to a small degree. He’s pretty mobile, and though he doesn’t > run down the stairs, he with with a kind of trot. He’s very vocal when > he’s hungry, and talks to me quite a bit. Since I fixed him his very > own turkey, he’s eating very well. He’s just as affectionate as he’s > always been, too. His sister Daisy (Doodlebug) has begun wanting me to > play with her a lot more than in the past. I attribute that to two > things. She sees the extra attention that Bucket has been getting, and > she doesn’t have him to chase her around all of the time. I spend as > much time with her as I possibly can, so she won’t feel left out. It’s > so sweet to see her walk up to him and start licking the top of his > head. He’s also the longest cat I’ve ever seen. 35-1/2 inches from > nose to tip of tail. He used to stand on the kitchen floor, reach > across the counter top and grab things one pawed, and run off with it. > I sometime suspect that his daddy was a moose. I would give my own > life or my soul to make him well again. I love him dearly. > Stuart

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Hi everyone. I just thought I would send a message to you all and let you know that Buckethead died last night at 1:36am. I can’t tell you enough how much your kind words and e-mails meant to me during his ordeal. Thank you so very much. Stuart Bowman

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>Hi everyone. I just thought I would send a message to you all and let >you know that Buckethead died last night at 1:36am.

Stuart, I am very sorry for your loss.  Please accept my condolences. In sympathy, Lauren =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone. I just thought I would send a message to you all and let > you know that Buckethead died last night at 1:36am. I can’t tell you > enough how much your kind words and e-mails meant to me during his > ordeal. Thank you so very much. Stuart Bowman

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>Today while feeding the cats, I smelled the cat food….it had the same >metallic >smell as Jessie’s vomit.

Yikes, that does not sound good at all.  What kind of cat food is it? =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I’m very sorry to hear about Jessie,  I will keep her in my thoughts. > Thanks. > However, I don’t think it’s what we originally thought. > Around Friday at noon, she vomitted.  My wife managed to get some kleenex in > front of Jessie before she got sick on the carpet. > When I got home on Friday I examined it, and smelt it.  It had a metallic > smell > to it.  I thought that was a bit odd, but thought no more of it. > Yesterday morning, when I came upstairs there was vomit on the floor (this was > about 2 hours after their morning feeding).  I originally thought it was from > Jessie, but now we are not so sure. > Jessie always hides under the couch or the kitchen table when she gets sick. > She > also lets out very odd sounds before she gets sick (kinda like "whoa whoa > whao").  I didn’t hear her normal warning cry.  Cappuccinno, our other cat, > lets > it go wherever she pleases. The vomit had a small dark fur ball in it (Jessie > is > a mackerel tabby and Cappuccinno is a tortoiseshell with mostly black fur) but > Jessie hasn’t cleaned Cappuccinno since initially becoming sick. > Today while feeding the cats, I smelled the cat food….it had the same > metallic > smell as Jessie’s vomit. > I think I may have accidently given out cats food poisoning, and Jessie with > the > sensitive stomach et al, reacted violently as she had a lot of the food to eat > on Saturday afternoon.  I am taking Jessie into the vet tomorrow to get her > checked out….hopefully I am right this time. > Brad

Eee. that’s scary. I tested some ham in the fridge today before giving the cats a treat and thought I gave *myself* food poisoning for a bit. It was tossed needless to say and a new package opened for them. I hope you can track down what happened. And if it is the food, PLEASE contact the manufacturer! karen

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I’m very sorry to hear about Jessie,  I will keep her in my thoughts. Sharon

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Sending purrs  and get well wishes from my kitties for your Jessie and Cappuccinno! Christine, Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>I’m very sorry to hear about Jessie,  I will keep her in my thoughts. > Thanks. > However, I don’t think it’s what we originally thought. > Around Friday at noon, she vomitted.  My wife managed to get some kleenex in > front of Jessie before she got sick on the carpet. > When I got home on Friday I examined it, and smelt it.  It had a metallic smell > to it.  I thought that was a bit odd, but thought no more of it. > Yesterday morning, when I came upstairs there was vomit on the floor (this was > about 2 hours after their morning feeding).  I originally thought it was from > Jessie, but now we are not so sure. > Jessie always hides under the couch or the kitchen table when she gets sick. She > also lets out very odd sounds before she gets sick (kinda like "whoa whoa > whao").  I didn’t hear her normal warning cry.  Cappuccinno, our other cat, lets > it go wherever she pleases. The vomit had a small dark fur ball in it (Jessie is > a mackerel tabby and Cappuccinno is a tortoiseshell with mostly black fur) but > Jessie hasn’t cleaned Cappuccinno since initially becoming sick. > Today while feeding the cats, I smelled the cat food….it had the same metallic > smell as Jessie’s vomit. > I think I may have accidently given out cats food poisoning, and Jessie with the > sensitive stomach et al, reacted violently as she had a lot of the food to eat > on Saturday afternoon.  I am taking Jessie into the vet tomorrow to get her > checked out….hopefully I am right this time. > Brad

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well things were going great, but now we seem to be back to square one. > After 6 weeks without any eating problems or diarrhea/vomitting, last night > Jessie (our FIP/IBD cat) had a violent relapse. > The diarrhea is back full force, and she’s vomitting after each bowel movement. > She vomitted so much last night I didn’t think she was going to stop.  She even > vomitted up her sulcrate (for diarrhea).  The Pepcid AC and Reglan seemed to > have calmned her belly down. > Of course our vet is closed today, but at least they had teh forethought to give > us an "emergency kit" for situations such as this (sulcrate for the diarrhea and > metronidazole).

Be careful of dehydration – vomiting and diarrhea can do that.  Is she drinking water? Try the "pinch test" – gently pick up the tent of skin between her shoulder blades and then release it.  If it stays in place or is slow to return to its shape, she’s dehydrated, but if it snaps right back she’s OK.  If she is dehydrated, you might need to use an oral syringe to get some water into her. To be on the safe side – if there is an emergency clinic open in your area today, you might want to get her checked out and if necessary rehydrated. That much vomiting and diarrhea is not good.

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>Today while feeding the cats, I smelled the cat food….it had the same >metallic >smell as Jessie’s vomit.

Yikes, that does not sound good at all.  What kind of cat food is it? =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I’m very sorry to hear about Jessie,  I will keep her in my thoughts. > Thanks. > However, I don’t think it’s what we originally thought. > Around Friday at noon, she vomitted.  My wife managed to get some kleenex in > front of Jessie before she got sick on the carpet. > When I got home on Friday I examined it, and smelt it.  It had a metallic > smell > to it.  I thought that was a bit odd, but thought no more of it. > Yesterday morning, when I came upstairs there was vomit on the floor (this was > about 2 hours after their morning feeding).  I originally thought it was from > Jessie, but now we are not so sure. > Jessie always hides under the couch or the kitchen table when she gets sick. > She > also lets out very odd sounds before she gets sick (kinda like "whoa whoa > whao").  I didn’t hear her normal warning cry.  Cappuccinno, our other cat, > lets > it go wherever she pleases. The vomit had a small dark fur ball in it (Jessie > is > a mackerel tabby and Cappuccinno is a tortoiseshell with mostly black fur) but > Jessie hasn’t cleaned Cappuccinno since initially becoming sick. > Today while feeding the cats, I smelled the cat food….it had the same > metallic > smell as Jessie’s vomit. > I think I may have accidently given out cats food poisoning, and Jessie with > the > sensitive stomach et al, reacted violently as she had a lot of the food to eat > on Saturday afternoon.  I am taking Jessie into the vet tomorrow to get her > checked out….hopefully I am right this time. > Brad

Eee. that’s scary. I tested some ham in the fridge today before giving the cats a treat and thought I gave *myself* food poisoning for a bit. It was tossed needless to say and a new package opened for them. I hope you can track down what happened. And if it is the food, PLEASE contact the manufacturer! karen

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I’m very sorry to hear about Jessie,  I will keep her in my thoughts. Sharon

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Sending purrs  and get well wishes from my kitties for your Jessie and Cappuccinno! Christine, Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>I’m very sorry to hear about Jessie,  I will keep her in my thoughts. > Thanks. > However, I don’t think it’s what we originally thought. > Around Friday at noon, she vomitted.  My wife managed to get some kleenex in > front of Jessie before she got sick on the carpet. > When I got home on Friday I examined it, and smelt it.  It had a metallic smell > to it.  I thought that was a bit odd, but thought no more of it. > Yesterday morning, when I came upstairs there was vomit on the floor (this was > about 2 hours after their morning feeding).  I originally thought it was from > Jessie, but now we are not so sure. > Jessie always hides under the couch or the kitchen table when she gets sick. She > also lets out very odd sounds before she gets sick (kinda like "whoa whoa > whao").  I didn’t hear her normal warning cry.  Cappuccinno, our other cat, lets > it go wherever she pleases. The vomit had a small dark fur ball in it (Jessie is > a mackerel tabby and Cappuccinno is a tortoiseshell with mostly black fur) but > Jessie hasn’t cleaned Cappuccinno since initially becoming sick. > Today while feeding the cats, I smelled the cat food….it had the same metallic > smell as Jessie’s vomit. > I think I may have accidently given out cats food poisoning, and Jessie with the > sensitive stomach et al, reacted violently as she had a lot of the food to eat > on Saturday afternoon.  I am taking Jessie into the vet tomorrow to get her > checked out….hopefully I am right this time. > Brad

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well things were going great, but now we seem to be back to square one. > After 6 weeks without any eating problems or diarrhea/vomitting, last night > Jessie (our FIP/IBD cat) had a violent relapse. > The diarrhea is back full force, and she’s vomitting after each bowel movement. > She vomitted so much last night I didn’t think she was going to stop.  She even > vomitted up her sulcrate (for diarrhea).  The Pepcid AC and Reglan seemed to > have calmned her belly down. > Of course our vet is closed today, but at least they had teh forethought to give > us an "emergency kit" for situations such as this (sulcrate for the diarrhea and > metronidazole).

Be careful of dehydration – vomiting and diarrhea can do that.  Is she drinking water? Try the "pinch test" – gently pick up the tent of skin between her shoulder blades and then release it.  If it stays in place or is slow to return to its shape, she’s dehydrated, but if it snaps right back she’s OK.  If she is dehydrated, you might need to use an oral syringe to get some water into her. To be on the safe side – if there is an emergency clinic open in your area today, you might want to get her checked out and if necessary rehydrated. That much vomiting and diarrhea is not good.

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>Today while feeding the cats, I smelled the cat food….it had the same >metallic >smell as Jessie’s vomit.

Yikes, that does not sound good at all.  What kind of cat food is it? =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I’m very sorry to hear about Jessie,  I will keep her in my thoughts. > Thanks. > However, I don’t think it’s what we originally thought. > Around Friday at noon, she vomitted.  My wife managed to get some kleenex in > front of Jessie before she got sick on the carpet. > When I got home on Friday I examined it, and smelt it.  It had a metallic > smell > to it.  I thought that was a bit odd, but thought no more of it. > Yesterday morning, when I came upstairs there was vomit on the floor (this was > about 2 hours after their morning feeding).  I originally thought it was from > Jessie, but now we are not so sure. > Jessie always hides under the couch or the kitchen table when she gets sick. > She > also lets out very odd sounds before she gets sick (kinda like "whoa whoa > whao").  I didn’t hear her normal warning cry.  Cappuccinno, our other cat, > lets > it go wherever she pleases. The vomit had a small dark fur ball in it (Jessie > is > a mackerel tabby and Cappuccinno is a tortoiseshell with mostly black fur) but > Jessie hasn’t cleaned Cappuccinno since initially becoming sick. > Today while feeding the cats, I smelled the cat food….it had the same > metallic > smell as Jessie’s vomit. > I think I may have accidently given out cats food poisoning, and Jessie with > the > sensitive stomach et al, reacted violently as she had a lot of the food to eat > on Saturday afternoon.  I am taking Jessie into the vet tomorrow to get her > checked out….hopefully I am right this time. > Brad

Eee. that’s scary. I tested some ham in the fridge today before giving the cats a treat and thought I gave *myself* food poisoning for a bit. It was tossed needless to say and a new package opened for them. I hope you can track down what happened. And if it is the food, PLEASE contact the manufacturer! karen

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I’m very sorry to hear about Jessie,  I will keep her in my thoughts. Sharon

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Sending purrs  and get well wishes from my kitties for your Jessie and Cappuccinno! Christine, Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>I’m very sorry to hear about Jessie,  I will keep her in my thoughts. > Thanks. > However, I don’t think it’s what we originally thought. > Around Friday at noon, she vomitted.  My wife managed to get some kleenex in > front of Jessie before she got sick on the carpet. > When I got home on Friday I examined it, and smelt it.  It had a metallic smell > to it.  I thought that was a bit odd, but thought no more of it. > Yesterday morning, when I came upstairs there was vomit on the floor (this was > about 2 hours after their morning feeding).  I originally thought it was from > Jessie, but now we are not so sure. > Jessie always hides under the couch or the kitchen table when she gets sick. She > also lets out very odd sounds before she gets sick (kinda like "whoa whoa > whao").  I didn’t hear her normal warning cry.  Cappuccinno, our other cat, lets > it go wherever she pleases. The vomit had a small dark fur ball in it (Jessie is > a mackerel tabby and Cappuccinno is a tortoiseshell with mostly black fur) but > Jessie hasn’t cleaned Cappuccinno since initially becoming sick. > Today while feeding the cats, I smelled the cat food….it had the same metallic > smell as Jessie’s vomit. > I think I may have accidently given out cats food poisoning, and Jessie with the > sensitive stomach et al, reacted violently as she had a lot of the food to eat > on Saturday afternoon.  I am taking Jessie into the vet tomorrow to get her > checked out….hopefully I am right this time. > Brad

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well things were going great, but now we seem to be back to square one. > After 6 weeks without any eating problems or diarrhea/vomitting, last night > Jessie (our FIP/IBD cat) had a violent relapse. > The diarrhea is back full force, and she’s vomitting after each bowel movement. > She vomitted so much last night I didn’t think she was going to stop.  She even > vomitted up her sulcrate (for diarrhea).  The Pepcid AC and Reglan seemed to > have calmned her belly down. > Of course our vet is closed today, but at least they had teh forethought to give > us an "emergency kit" for situations such as this (sulcrate for the diarrhea and > metronidazole).

Be careful of dehydration – vomiting and diarrhea can do that.  Is she drinking water? Try the "pinch test" – gently pick up the tent of skin between her shoulder blades and then release it.  If it stays in place or is slow to return to its shape, she’s dehydrated, but if it snaps right back she’s OK.  If she is dehydrated, you might need to use an oral syringe to get some water into her. To be on the safe side – if there is an emergency clinic open in your area today, you might want to get her checked out and if necessary rehydrated. That much vomiting and diarrhea is not good.

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