Question:
> SNIP… Does any one here have experience on this ? I am > looking for a good way to keep the temp. at around 60 degree. > I am trying to get a greenhouse structure over my pond! > We are planning to use 1 1/2 inch black pipe rolled to a 13 foot > radius to span a raised pond in a deck. these > hoops would be spaced at 2 feet intervals.
Walter: I hadn’t thought of using Black Poly for the supports. It is not as rigid as PVC, but might work fine. You would still need to crossbrace it at least once and i would think twice to keep it straight. As for a heater, what you are talking about sounds just like what they use for pool heaters in this part of the country. I would suggest talking to the pool guys. The water barrels are a great idea. I am using some rock storage and a brick back wall to store the solar on my green house. It is still in construction so can’t make any big claims yet. 
vern > f anybody has experience in heating water re boiler, propane or oil, > please come forward because we do not > know much about this aspect of the plan. My ponds surface area is 256 > sq.ft and the gallonage is > 12 000. the idea is to have a closed loop fed by the boiler heating > the pond water via a heat exchanger. > SNIP… Wouldn’t it be beautiful to sit in a green house > with snow all around ? > Absolutely! > I would love it! > Any thoughts? Any advice? > Any help would be gratefully appreciated! > Walter
– Please visit my ponds at: http://www.webpak.net/~vrolson
Response:
my big greenhouse has those cross braces .. perlins (sp?) .. and I achieve the same thing by tieing off nylon twine between my pvc hoops. No need to spend all that money on the X pvc joiners that are so pricey. because my hoops fit down into a drilled out hole in wood, they tend not to go anywhere anyway. Ingrid > You would still need to >crossbrace it at least once and i would think twice to keep it straight.
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List for care of goldfish go to http://puregold.aquaria.net/ Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who’s to blame
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> >My eye was caught by this paragraph, and I zipped back to it and sure >enough I wrote it. So how did I get to be called ‘vrolson’ >Never mind, I’m happy to be quoted even when the attribution isn’t exact >! > Sorry about that Chief! To remind myself :Correctly spelled: Derek > Broughton > Am I excused for being tired?
Of course! — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
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>> The covering would be transparent reinforced woven 10 mil poly. > Northern Greenhouse ( at 1-204-327-5540 to > request a catalog) sells a translucent woven HDPE (sounds like > permalon) for greenhouses. This stuff should > last at least 10 years, which is a lot better than ordinary plastic > sheeting. (thanks to derek vrolson) >My eye was caught by this paragraph, and I zipped back to it and sure >enough I wrote it. So how did I get to be called ‘vrolson’ >Never mind, I’m happy to be quoted even when the attribution isn’t exact >!
Sorry about that Chief! To remind myself :Correctly spelled: Derek Broughton Am I excused for being tired? Walter
Response:
Yes. those ventless models are cheaper now that Y2K has come and gone. They also have a thermostat that can be set and an air blower. they will heat even if the electricity goes out. However. Plastic isnt going to be easy to heat. at minimum, double plastic is used and an air blower is used to inflate between the layers .. a layer of air. alternatively, bubble type wrap is good too. The Pond Lady does heat one of her greenhouses over winter .. she has a gas furnace in there. I dont heat my greenhouse over the pond. I do have a big air blower with stones going all winter and it keeps the water open. the minute the sun is out, the greenhouse heats up nicely. the water acts as a heat sink as well. Ingrid >Propane is usually considered a good alternative for a remote location >like a greenhouse or remote garage/workshop. Relatively cheap and the >units are like 99.99% efficient now. There are some really attractive, >ventless, propane ‘wood’ stoves that you can get, even with >thermostats. They can get expensive, between 1500-3000 depending on >make and style. May not be a bad choice for a greenhouse type setting.
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List for care of goldfish go to http://puregold.aquaria.net/ Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who’s to blame
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> The covering would be transparent reinforced woven 10 mil poly. > Northern Greenhouse ( at 1-204-327-5540 to > request a catalog) sells a translucent woven HDPE (sounds like > permalon) for greenhouses. This stuff should > last at least 10 years, which is a lot better than ordinary plastic > sheeting. (thanks to derek vrolson)
My eye was caught by this paragraph, and I zipped back to it and sure enough I wrote it. So how did I get to be called ‘vrolson’ Never mind, I’m happy to be quoted even when the attribution isn’t exact ! — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
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SNIP… Does any one here have experience on this ? I am looking for a good way to keep the temp. at around 60 degree. I am trying to get a greenhouse structure over my pond! We are planning to use 1 1/2 inch black pipe rolled to a 13 foot radius to span a raised pond in a deck. these hoops would be spaced at 2 feet intervals. The covering would be transparent reinforced woven 10 mil poly. Northern Greenhouse ( at 1-204-327-5540 to request a catalog) sells a translucent woven HDPE (sounds like permalon) for greenhouses. This stuff should last at least 10 years, which is a lot better than ordinary plastic sheeting. (thanks to derek vrolson) Under this we would then fasten bubble plastic to keep more heat in. The sun heat during the day could be stored in black plastic barrels filled with water and edible antifreeze to be released during the night. If anybody has experience in heating water re boiler, propane or oil, please come forward because we do not know much about this aspect of the plan. My ponds surface area is 256 sq.ft and the gallonage is 12 000. the idea is to have a closed loop fed by the boiler heating the pond water via a heat exchanger. SNIP… Wouldn’t it be beautiful to sit in a green house with snow all around ? Absolutely! I would love it! Any thoughts? Any advice? Any help would be gratefully appreciated! Walter
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I love my ponds so much that I have been dreading the comming of cold weather. My husband saw my saddness and decided to build a green house over the pond so that I could continue with my gardening and play with my fish and my plants all year around It is only Oct. 10 and though it is cold out side, I can go in the garden and play,. . Does any one here have experience on this ? I am looking for a good way to keep the temp. at around 60 degree. My husband has decided to run a cloths dryer vent out to the green house. Every time the furnace kicks on the vent would carry heat to the pond green house. In june of this past year my husband built an arbor over the pond. I have planted many vines all around the arbor. I have grape vines, visteria, roses, and several summer, fall vines like morning glorys. Now that the arbor has been closed in under clear plastic, I dont know what to do with the anual vines. I have several Alamands, and Mandevillas, which I think are tropica vines. I have never kept any alive over the winter yet. I hope this year will be diffrent. Has any one had any luck with Alamands and Mandevillas in the freezing winter areas ? I also need info. on Dailias. OH !! Winter is a sad time because I loose life to so many plants. I could enjoy the splendor of the freeze if I could keep life in my pond.. Woulnt it be beatifull to sit in a green house with snow all around ?
Response:
I have seen pictures of a snow covered mound that was a jury rigged green house and it stayed warm enough that the owner could feed the fish all through winter. Good luck and let us know what happens! K30A See my brother’s website http://WWW.30acreimaging.com/ see the labradors at http://www.daydreamergardens.com/2_level/articles/dog_how_to.htm K30A and friends’ pond information page http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html
Response:
Propane is usually considered a good alternative for a remote location like a greenhouse or remote garage/workshop. Relatively cheap and the units are like 99.99% efficient now. There are some really attractive, ventless, propane ‘wood’ stoves that you can get, even with thermostats. They can get expensive, between 1500-3000 depending on make and style. May not be a bad choice for a greenhouse type setting. Craig – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I love my ponds so much that I have been dreading the comming of cold weather. > My husband saw my saddness and decided to build a green house over the pond > so that I could continue with my gardening and play with my fish and my plants > all year around It is only Oct. 10 and though it is cold out side, I can go > in the garden and play,. . Does any one here have experience on this ? I am > looking for a good way to keep the temp. at around 60 degree. My husband has > decided to run a cloths dryer vent out to the green house. Every time the > furnace kicks on the vent would carry heat to the pond green house. > In june of this past year my husband built an arbor over the pond. I have > planted many vines all around the arbor. I have grape vines, visteria, roses, > and several summer, fall vines like morning glorys. Now that the arbor has been > closed in under clear plastic, I dont know what to do with the anual vines. I > have several Alamands, and Mandevillas, which I think are tropica vines. I have > never kept any alive over the winter yet. I hope this year will be diffrent. > Has any one had any luck with Alamands and Mandevillas in the freezing winter > areas ? I also need info. on Dailias. OH !! Winter is a sad time because I > loose life to so many plants. I could enjoy the splendor of the freeze if I > could keep life in my pond.. Woulnt it be beatifull to sit in a green house > with snow all around ?
Response:
> SNIP… Does any one here have experience on this ? I am > looking for a good way to keep the temp. at around 60 degree. > I am trying to get a greenhouse structure over my pond! > We are planning to use 1 1/2 inch black pipe rolled to a 13 foot > radius to span a raised pond in a deck. these > hoops would be spaced at 2 feet intervals.
Walter: I hadn’t thought of using Black Poly for the supports. It is not as rigid as PVC, but might work fine. You would still need to crossbrace it at least once and i would think twice to keep it straight. As for a heater, what you are talking about sounds just like what they use for pool heaters in this part of the country. I would suggest talking to the pool guys. The water barrels are a great idea. I am using some rock storage and a brick back wall to store the solar on my green house. It is still in construction so can’t make any big claims yet. vern > f anybody has experience in heating water re boiler, propane or oil, > please come forward because we do not > know much about this aspect of the plan. My ponds surface area is 256 > sq.ft and the gallonage is > 12 000. the idea is to have a closed loop fed by the boiler heating > the pond water via a heat exchanger. > SNIP… Wouldn’t it be beautiful to sit in a green house > with snow all around ? > Absolutely! > I would love it! > Any thoughts? Any advice? > Any help would be gratefully appreciated! > Walter
– Please visit my ponds at: http://www.webpak.net/~vrolson
Response:
my big greenhouse has those cross braces .. perlins (sp?) .. and I achieve the same thing by tieing off nylon twine between my pvc hoops. No need to spend all that money on the X pvc joiners that are so pricey. because my hoops fit down into a drilled out hole in wood, they tend not to go anywhere anyway. Ingrid > You would still need to >crossbrace it at least once and i would think twice to keep it straight.
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List for care of goldfish go to http://puregold.aquaria.net/ Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who’s to blame
Response:
> >My eye was caught by this paragraph, and I zipped back to it and sure >enough I wrote it. So how did I get to be called ‘vrolson’ >Never mind, I’m happy to be quoted even when the attribution isn’t exact >! > Sorry about that Chief! To remind myself :Correctly spelled: Derek > Broughton > Am I excused for being tired?
Of course! — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
Response:
>> The covering would be transparent reinforced woven 10 mil poly. > Northern Greenhouse ( at 1-204-327-5540 to > request a catalog) sells a translucent woven HDPE (sounds like > permalon) for greenhouses. This stuff should > last at least 10 years, which is a lot better than ordinary plastic > sheeting. (thanks to derek vrolson) >My eye was caught by this paragraph, and I zipped back to it and sure >enough I wrote it. So how did I get to be called ‘vrolson’ >Never mind, I’m happy to be quoted even when the attribution isn’t exact >!
Sorry about that Chief! To remind myself :Correctly spelled: Derek Broughton Am I excused for being tired? Walter
Response:
Yes. those ventless models are cheaper now that Y2K has come and gone. They also have a thermostat that can be set and an air blower. they will heat even if the electricity goes out. However. Plastic isnt going to be easy to heat. at minimum, double plastic is used and an air blower is used to inflate between the layers .. a layer of air. alternatively, bubble type wrap is good too. The Pond Lady does heat one of her greenhouses over winter .. she has a gas furnace in there. I dont heat my greenhouse over the pond. I do have a big air blower with stones going all winter and it keeps the water open. the minute the sun is out, the greenhouse heats up nicely. the water acts as a heat sink as well. Ingrid >Propane is usually considered a good alternative for a remote location >like a greenhouse or remote garage/workshop. Relatively cheap and the >units are like 99.99% efficient now. There are some really attractive, >ventless, propane ‘wood’ stoves that you can get, even with >thermostats. They can get expensive, between 1500-3000 depending on >make and style. May not be a bad choice for a greenhouse type setting.
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List for care of goldfish go to http://puregold.aquaria.net/ Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who’s to blame
Response:
> The covering would be transparent reinforced woven 10 mil poly. > Northern Greenhouse ( at 1-204-327-5540 to > request a catalog) sells a translucent woven HDPE (sounds like > permalon) for greenhouses. This stuff should > last at least 10 years, which is a lot better than ordinary plastic > sheeting. (thanks to derek vrolson)
My eye was caught by this paragraph, and I zipped back to it and sure enough I wrote it. So how did I get to be called ‘vrolson’ Never mind, I’m happy to be quoted even when the attribution isn’t exact ! — Derek (www.netcom.ca/~dbrought/pond) rec.ponds FAQ http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/faq.html
Response:
SNIP… Does any one here have experience on this ? I am looking for a good way to keep the temp. at around 60 degree. I am trying to get a greenhouse structure over my pond! We are planning to use 1 1/2 inch black pipe rolled to a 13 foot radius to span a raised pond in a deck. these hoops would be spaced at 2 feet intervals. The covering would be transparent reinforced woven 10 mil poly. Northern Greenhouse ( at 1-204-327-5540 to request a catalog) sells a translucent woven HDPE (sounds like permalon) for greenhouses. This stuff should last at least 10 years, which is a lot better than ordinary plastic sheeting. (thanks to derek vrolson) Under this we would then fasten bubble plastic to keep more heat in. The sun heat during the day could be stored in black plastic barrels filled with water and edible antifreeze to be released during the night. If anybody has experience in heating water re boiler, propane or oil, please come forward because we do not know much about this aspect of the plan. My ponds surface area is 256 sq.ft and the gallonage is 12 000. the idea is to have a closed loop fed by the boiler heating the pond water via a heat exchanger. SNIP… Wouldn’t it be beautiful to sit in a green house with snow all around ? Absolutely! I would love it! Any thoughts? Any advice? Any help would be gratefully appreciated! Walter
Response:
I love my ponds so much that I have been dreading the comming of cold weather. My husband saw my saddness and decided to build a green house over the pond so that I could continue with my gardening and play with my fish and my plants all year around It is only Oct. 10 and though it is cold out side, I can go in the garden and play,. . Does any one here have experience on this ? I am looking for a good way to keep the temp. at around 60 degree. My husband has decided to run a cloths dryer vent out to the green house. Every time the furnace kicks on the vent would carry heat to the pond green house. In june of this past year my husband built an arbor over the pond. I have planted many vines all around the arbor. I have grape vines, visteria, roses, and several summer, fall vines like morning glorys. Now that the arbor has been closed in under clear plastic, I dont know what to do with the anual vines. I have several Alamands, and Mandevillas, which I think are tropica vines. I have never kept any alive over the winter yet. I hope this year will be diffrent. Has any one had any luck with Alamands and Mandevillas in the freezing winter areas ? I also need info. on Dailias. OH !! Winter is a sad time because I loose life to so many plants. I could enjoy the splendor of the freeze if I could keep life in my pond.. Woulnt it be beatifull to sit in a green house with snow all around ?
Response:
I have seen pictures of a snow covered mound that was a jury rigged green house and it stayed warm enough that the owner could feed the fish all through winter. Good luck and let us know what happens! K30A See my brother’s website http://WWW.30acreimaging.com/ see the labradors at http://www.daydreamergardens.com/2_level/articles/dog_how_to.htm K30A and friends’ pond information page http://hometown.aol.com/k30a/myhomepage/writing.html
Response:
Propane is usually considered a good alternative for a remote location like a greenhouse or remote garage/workshop. Relatively cheap and the units are like 99.99% efficient now. There are some really attractive, ventless, propane ‘wood’ stoves that you can get, even with thermostats. They can get expensive, between 1500-3000 depending on make and style. May not be a bad choice for a greenhouse type setting. Craig – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I love my ponds so much that I have been dreading the comming of cold weather. > My husband saw my saddness and decided to build a green house over the pond > so that I could continue with my gardening and play with my fish and my plants > all year around It is only Oct. 10 and though it is cold out side, I can go > in the garden and play,. . Does any one here have experience on this ? I am > looking for a good way to keep the temp. at around 60 degree. My husband has > decided to run a cloths dryer vent out to the green house. Every time the > furnace kicks on the vent would carry heat to the pond green house. > In june of this past year my husband built an arbor over the pond. I have > planted many vines all around the arbor. I have grape vines, visteria, roses, > and several summer, fall vines like morning glorys. Now that the arbor has been > closed in under clear plastic, I dont know what to do with the anual vines. I > have several Alamands, and Mandevillas, which I think are tropica vines. I have > never kept any alive over the winter yet. I hope this year will be diffrent. > Has any one had any luck with Alamands and Mandevillas in the freezing winter > areas ? I also need info. on Dailias. OH !! Winter is a sad time because I > loose life to so many plants. I could enjoy the splendor of the freeze if I > could keep life in my pond.. Woulnt it be beatifull to sit in a green house > with snow all around ?
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