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> >> But does this include the cost of refinishing hardwood floors? In >> Rochester, NY, the cost to refinish a floor is $2 sq ft for sanding >> and one coat, $1 sq ft for each additional coat. > Just had 4 rooms sanded and 3 coats,1 sealer 2 finnish > and I live in Rochester NY. Had 4 est. from jobers > and found a range to be from $2 to $4.10sq ft. > None of the jobers would put down only one coat. > It seems that you have paid $3 a ft too for a new > floor
I don’t include the sealer as a coat, it is prep work. The quotes I got at the time (about 6 years ago), $2 sq ft for the sealer and one coat of poly. For each additional coat of poly was $1 sq ft. The $2 price seems seem reasonable, the $4.10 is very high. At $4.10 a sq ft (for only 2 coats of poly which is not enough IMHO), you could buy $36.90 sq yd carpeting which is hgh quality carpeting. Just the cost of restoring a hardwood floor is equal to high quality carpeting. Once again, someone explain to me why hardwood flooring is a great investment. Mark
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> > >> But does this include the cost of refinishing hardwood floors? In > >> Rochester, NY, the cost to refinish a floor is $2 sq ft for sanding > >> and one coat, $1 sq ft for each additional coat. > Once again, someone explain to me why hardwood flooring is a great > investment.
Two things: One, in your neck of the woods, costs for wood floor work seem very high compared to other areas. Two, *re*finishing a hardwood floor often does not need to include sanding all the way down. After the initial sand & coat, future "refinishings" require only screening and a fresh surface coat of poly. I would expect this to be less than half the cost of a full refinish. — Jeff Benjamin benji(at)fc.hp.com Hewlett Packard Co. Fort Collins, Colorado (Direct reply won’t work: use address in .sig) "The Laws of Physics will always override the Laws of Economics." – Dan Holohan
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>Once again, someone explain to me why hardwood flooring is a great >investment. >Mark
Hello all, great question. Hardwood floors add to ; The structural value of a home, The beauty of a home, The added real estate value. They are easier to keep clean than carpets and can be resanded and refinished with less expense than replacing carpets. Carpets last on average about 7 to 8 yrs,. You can expect hardwood floors to last the life of the building . In some cases, buildings are torn down yet the hardwood floors are recaimed for reuse. They can , in the worst of cases , be recycled into other wood/paper products. Save the planet!! In addition, when folks go to sell their homes, real estate agents love a house with hardwood floors, as do prospective buyers. A pretty good investment all around. All good , long term investments require a little upkeep. Hardwood floors are no exception. Best wishes, Ari Ben Harav Tiger Floors, Inc. Lexington, Ma www.tigerfloors.com
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>> But does this include the cost of refinishing hardwood floors? In > Rochester, NY, the cost to refinish a floor is $2 sq ft for sanding > and one coat, $1 sq ft for each additional coat. >You have astromomical labor costs there. Finishing my newly laid >floor didn’t come to more than $3/sqft. However, even without >refinishing, it lasts longer than vinyl or carpet. I had wood >Besides, nobody says you have to sand down to the bare wood >to restore the floor.
Just had 4 rooms sanded and 3 coats,1 sealer 2 finnish and I live in Rochester NY. Had 4 est. from jobers and found a range to be from $2 to $4.10sq ft. None of the jobers would put down only one coat. It seems that you have paid $3 a ft too for a new floor
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> Does she know you go around telling people she’s out of style and worn > out? :)
Nah, I am not in trouble. She read the Usenet once, to many assholes posting so she doesn’t bother. Mark
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>I do love hardwood floring, I plan to install hardwoods in my living and >dinning room plus the hallways and staircase. I just question the >investment value for all rooms. When I finish my 10 year remodeling plan >:-), I will have hardwood in the
It is important to remember that all investments require maintainence. IRA accounts have yearly fees. Homes have upkeep costs. Good carpets and hardwood floors are no exception. The carpets can be cleaned but they wear out in ten years. Hardwood floors will outlast most buildings. When they tear down the building, you could still reclaim the flooring and use it elsewhere. Ari Ben Harav Tiger Floors, Inc. Lexington, Ma www.tigerfloors.com
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>> Think of all those shag carpets put down in the ’60s, early ’70s, that were out > of style in 5 years, and didn’t wear out for 5-10 more. >I have this problem with my wife
<snip> Does she know you go around telling people she’s out of style and worn out? :) Rick Marinelli http://www.erols.com/rickandlisa
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benjii writes: >In addition, hardwood never goes out of style and maintains the resale >value of the house better than vinyl or carpet, which can quickly get >worn and/or dated
Think of all those shag carpets put down in the ’60s, early ’70s, that were out of style in 5 years, and didn’t wear out for 5-10 more. It is possible for decently cared for wood floors to get along without refinishing, and look great, for up to 50 years. Try that with carpet or tile. Get the grit off your feet and keep it clean. Charlie Self Word Worker
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> Think of all those shag carpets put down in the ’60s, early ’70s, that were out > of style in 5 years, and didn’t wear out for 5-10 more.
I have this problem with my wife, the existing hardwood floor looks dated. The house has a beach (sp) floor, looks like a gym floor. I removed alot of it in the bedrooms (replaced the joist) and was planing on using it for the living and dining rooms. Now she want new oak floors, so much for the budget
> It is possible for decently cared for wood floors to get along without > refinishing, and look great, for up to 50 years. Try that with carpet or tile.
This discussion has turn from a great investment to which is a better flooring method. A maple floor is a far superior than any carpeting. Once again, I like hardwood floors. But it is wishfully think that you could buy a house with hardwood floors, just pull up the carpeting and you have a great looking floor. For someone buying a house with hardwod floors, you should understand all the cost which around here, is alot of money. But the question remain, is hardwood floors a great investment. At $60 sq yd (realistic estimate), it would cost me around $10,000 to install hardwood floors. Would this increase the price of my house by 10K? I be fair, I do beleive that refinish existing hardwood floors is a much better investment than carpeting. Mark Armstrong
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> Comparing a maple floor in a low traffic area to cheap carpeting > in a high traffic area, is that a fair comparison?
Now your making all sorts of assumptions about the traffic in my house. I tell you that my dining room gets a lot more traffic than my bedroom does. The dining room table is the major home work area, laundry sorting, etc… surface in the house. > What was the total cost of your maple flooring? You spent no more > than $3/sqft to finish it, plus the cost of floor and installation > cost, maybe $60-70/sq yard?
Cost me just under $3/sqft to buy the wood (#2 maple, we figured that as light as maple was, we needed the variation in coloration over the first quality stuff). I put it in myself.
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> In > Rochester, NY, the cost to refinish a floor is $2 sq ft for sanding > and one coat, $1 sq ft for each additional coat. > You have astromomical labor costs there. Finishing my newly laid > floor didn’t come to more than $3/sqft.
The local refinishers seem to get together and set the prices. Everyone charged the same rates. > The maple > floor in my dining room I did 10 years ago looks better than the > $18/sqyard wall to wall that we did the upstairs in less than > five years ago.
Comparing a maple floor in a low traffic area to cheap carpeting in a high traffic area, is that a fair comparison? We did the cheap carpeting thing, 40% wornafter 4 months. My wife did get them to remove and replace it.I also have some very high quality carpet in the house, over 20 years old and looks ok. Hardwood floor is a high quality flooring option, so is 40-50 sq yd carpeting (or a $25-30 sq yd berber). The subject is, Hardwood Floors, A Great investment What was the total cost of your maple flooring? You spent no more than $3/sqft to finish it, plus the cost of floor and installation cost, maybe $60-70/sq yard? I laid down about 80 yards of carpeting upstairs, spent about $2000. At $70 a yard, this comes to $5600 for maple floors. Not sure if this is a good invetment, even at a carpet life of 10 years, I could get about 25 year worth of carpeting for the cost of hardwood. Linoleum is another issue. I installed some cheap stuff in the kitchen, I would agree on the 8 year life, it does need replacing. I also installed some top of the line stuff (Armstrong Solarium?) in the main bath, after 5 years and 3 major floods, it still looks new. I expect a 20 year life out of this stuff. The good stuff cost me around $35 sq yd installed. I do love hardwood floring, I plan to install hardwoods in my living and dinning room plus the hallways and staircase. I just question the investment value for all rooms. When I finish my 10 year remodeling plan
, I will have hardwood in the living and dining room plus the hallways and staircase. I will use runners on the staircase and hallways. Tiles for the mud and laundry room. Linoleum for the kitchen, carpet for the bedrooms and family rooms. Mark Armstrong
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> > Most floor coverings , carpet, linoleum , etc. last an average of 8 years. > Hardwood floors can easily last the life of the building. > But does this include the cost of refinishing hardwood floors? In > Rochester, NY, the cost to refinish a floor is $2 sq ft for sanding > and one coat, $1 sq ft for each additional coat. So for 3 coats, this > comes up to $36 sq yard which is the same coat as high quality linoleum > or very good quality carpeting. So for an investment point of view, > are hardwood floors truely worth the money?
Maybe not in your neck of the woods. Here in northern Colorado, the going rate is $1.75 per sq ft with three coats (1 sealer, 2 polyurethane) – the same as cheap carpet or linoleum. In addition, hardwood never goes out of style and maintains the resale value of the house better than vinyl or carpet, which can quickly get worn and/or dated. — Jeff Benjamin benji(at)fc.hp.com Hewlett Packard Co. Fort Collins, Colorado (Direct reply won’t work: use address in .sig) "The Laws of Physics will always override the Laws of Economics." – Dan Holohan
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And here’s why; Hardwood floors are generally nailed through the sub floor to the joists which adds structural integrity to your home. Hardwood floors act as thermal insulators. Hardwood floors add value to your real estate investment. They generally make a property easier to sell. Hardwood floors are very durable. Sometimes when old buildings are destroyed the hardwood floors can be reclaimed and reused. Most floor coverings , carpet, linoleum , etc. last an average of 8 years. Hardwood floors can easily last the life of the building. With today’s awareness of allergies from dust mites in carpets, hardwood floors mean the difference between enjoying a home and suffering from the dust mites in the carpets. Hardwood floors come from a renewable natural resource and can be recycled into other wood products years later, ( particle board, paper, mulch, etc.) Now THAT is sounds like a great investment. Best wishes, . Ari Ben Harav Tiger Floors, Inc. Lexington, Ma www.tigerfloors.com
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> Hardwood floors are very durable. Sometimes when old buildings are destroyed > the hardwood floors can be reclaimed and reused. > Most floor coverings , carpet, linoleum , etc. last an average of 8 years. > Hardwood floors can easily last the life of the building.
But does this include the cost of refinishing hardwood floors? In Rochester, NY, the cost to refinish a floor is $2 sq ft for sanding and one coat, $1 sq ft for each additional coat. So for 3 coats, this comes up to $36 sq yard which is the same coat as high quality linoleum or very good quality carpeting. So for an investment point of view, are hardwood floors truely worth the money? Mark Armstrong page.kodak.com
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> But does this include the cost of refinishing hardwood floors? In > Rochester, NY, the cost to refinish a floor is $2 sq ft for sanding > and one coat, $1 sq ft for each additional coat.
You have astromomical labor costs there. Finishing my newly laid floor didn’t come to more than $3/sqft. However, even without refinishing, it lasts longer than vinyl or carpet. I had wood floors in my apartment build in college that hadn’t been touched in 50 years (student housing) and were still livable. The maple floor in my dining room I did 10 years ago looks better than the $18/sqyard wall to wall that we did the upstairs in less than five years ago. Besides, nobody says you have to sand down to the bare wood to restore the floor.
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