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Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.), a veteran member of the Ways and Means Committee whose homes in Washington and New Orleans were raided by the FBI last week, had been the target of an undercover FBI sting involving public corruption for nearly a year, according to law enforcement sources. Investigators are looking into whether Jefferson illegally pocketed hundreds of thousands of dollars of an investor’s money from business transactions during the sting, according to the sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the case. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/12/AR200…

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> Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.), a veteran member of the Ways and Means > Committee whose homes in Washington and New Orleans were raided by the FBI > last week, had been the target of an undercover FBI sting involving public > corruption for nearly a year, according to law enforcement sources. > Investigators are looking into whether Jefferson illegally pocketed hundreds > of thousands of dollars of an investor’s money from business transactions > during the sting, according to the sources who spoke on the condition of > anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the case. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/12/AR200…

Only hundreds of thousands?  Jeez he should learn from the Chicago dems how to do it right.

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So what’s the running count?  Ten to one Republican?  100:1?

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> So what’s the running count?  Ten to one Republican?  100:1?

I played that one out a few months ago with another poster here and the Democratic list was FARrrrrrr longer than the Repub list. The major media regularly posts REPUB in the headline if it’s a Republican, yet they frequently leave out party affiliation when it’s a Democrat. Here is a site that some may find interesting http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=corruptdems More interesting info at http://politicalgraveyard.com/index.html Below is from another site; Edward Moore Kennedy – Democrat – U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne. DNC – The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct. Sandy Berger – Democrat – National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger plead GUILTY  to removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings. Robert Torricelli – Democrat – Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996. James McGreevey – Democrat – New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments. Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde – Democrat – the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts. Daniel David Rostenkowski – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison. Melvin Jay Reynolds – U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison. Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison. George Rogers – Democrat – Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison. Don Siegelman – Democrat Governor Alabama – indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care. John Murtha, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator Gerry Eastman Studds – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page. James C. Green – Democrat – North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997. Frederick Richmond – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a minor and from an undercover police officer – pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also – charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and improper payments to a federal employee – pleaded guilty. Raymond Lederer – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting – convicted of bribery and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000. Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $50,000. Frank Thompson, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison Michael Joseph Myers – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting – convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980. John Michael Murphy – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000. John Wilson Jenrette, Jr – Democrat – U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison Neil Goldschmidt – Democrat – Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland. Alcee Lamar Hastings – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery charges. Marion Barry – Democrat – mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison. Mario Biaggi – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts. Lee Alexander – Democrat – Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison. Bill Campbell – Democrat – Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city contracts. Frank Ballance – Democrat – Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation. Hazel O’Leary – Democrat – Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration – O’leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours. Lafayette Thomas – Democrat – Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990. Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison. Mary Rose Oakar – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through fake donors. David Giles – Democrat – candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape. Edward Mezvinsky – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges. Lena Swanson – Democrat – Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war. Abraham J. Hirschfeld – Democrat – candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner. Henry Cisneros – Democrat – U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI. James A. Traficant Jr. – Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges. Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks. John Doug Hays – Democrat – member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in prison to be followed by six months of home confinement and three years of probation. Henry J. Cianfrani – Democrat – Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison. David Hall – Democrat – Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted … read more »

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Pages and pages – virtually endless of corrupt Dems! I ran out of time reading them there were so many! It might have been easier if they had posted non-corrupt Dems! Then they could have gotten down to 0 or 1 – much more manageable Greg

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> Pages and pages – virtually endless of corrupt Dems!

"I am not a crook!"  Oh, sorry… ANOTHER corrupt Republican.

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Why don’t you post this shit to a ng which is slightly interested?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.), a veteran member of the Ways and Means > Committee whose homes in Washington and New Orleans were raided by the FBI > last week, had been the target of an undercover FBI sting involving public > corruption for nearly a year, according to law enforcement sources. > Investigators are looking into whether Jefferson illegally pocketed > hundreds of thousands of dollars of an investor’s money from business > transactions during the sting, according to the sources who spoke on the > condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the case. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/12/AR200…

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for a score card go here http://talkingpointsmemo.com/grandolddocket.php http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/14556190.htm The V-P’s chief of staff under indictment for perjury, the President’s deputy chief of staff about to be indicted for obstruction of justice; the House Majority Leader indicted for money laundering; the Senate Majority Leader under investigation for insider trading; the Governor of Illinois convicted on multiple counts of corruption; the Chief Republican lobbyist indicted for multiple forms of influence-peddling; the House Appropriations chairmen under suspicion of bribery, an important House Defense appropriator convicted of bribery; three DHS officials arrested for child internet porn; the chirf domestic policy adviser arrested for shoplifting – all Republicans… and now the Republican Governor of Kentucky indicted too.

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Wheaton’s back to his inaccurate lists again.   An example of inaccuracy, Murtha was never charged of anything and was cleared by House ethnics.  Another misleading fact, Hirschfeld was never elected to a political office other than City Commission. Show us the list of Republicans to prove your claim that the Democrat list is larger. Mr Soul

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> Wheaton’s back to his inaccurate lists again.

Oh do tell… > An example of inaccuracy, Murtha was never charged of anything and was > cleared by > House ethnics.

What I posted IS FACTUAL; "John Murtha, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator." Here is from google; [PDF] George Mason University SCHOOL of LAW       File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML       Murtha was later named as an unindicted coconspirator in the indictments … Murtha, whose run-in with the law during the Abscam investigation has …       www.law.gmu.edu/faculty/papers/docs/04-43.pdf – Similar pages Murtha was an Unindicted Coconspirator so what I posted, as usual was FACTUAL, and you are wrong, also as usual.  Another misleading fact, Hirschfeld was never elected > to a political office other than City Commission.

What I posted IS FACTUAL; "Abraham J. Hirschfeld – Democrat – candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner." What I posted does NOT say that he was elected to ANY office! Once again the King of Inference rides on. > Show us the list of Republicans to prove your claim that the Democrat > list is larger.

Once again, I am answering the King of Inference! What I wrote was,"I played that one out a few months ago with another poster here and the Democratic list was FARrrrrrr longer than the Repub list." As we all know I was referencing YOU when YOU had earlier made claims about Repubs having more Criminals! I challenged YOU to prove it, and once again, you were IMPOTENT as to verifying your baseless, factless, hollow, DISHONEST claims. So you have done nothing but verify as FACTUAL what I posted, and once again proved your claim to the King of Inference Crown! Congrats Mr Soul!

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>>> So what’s the running count?  Ten to one Republican?  100:1? >I played that one out a few months ago with another poster here and the >Democratic list was FARrrrrrr longer than the Repub list. > The devil is in the details though, isn’t it, Johnny?

It sure is.  Comparing Conyers > having staffers babysit his kids to Tom Delay’s deals with Jack Abramoff, > is absurd.

I NEVER made that comparison, but why let those fact thingies influence you post. > You are still talking about Chappaquiddick?  How lame is that?  You want > to > go back in history, how far back should we go?

We STILL have Kennedy’s endangering the public as they get behind the wheel IMPAIRED. Obviously some do NOT learn from history. > As usual, when you can’t successfully argue current events, you take the > time machine route.  Republicans are in power NOW, and the CURRENT > Republican corruption is everywhere.

You are obviously posting WITHOUT reading the facts FIRST! The Dario Herrera, McKinney, Jefferson, Mollohan are current as you would know if you read the news! That is why USA Today published the following story! WASHINGTON – For the past year, Democrats have been jockeying for the high ground on congressional ethics, hoping a largely Republican lobbying scandal would help propel them into the majority come November’s elections. But the issue is proving to be a two-edged sword, as Democrats themselves have come under scrutiny for allegations of bribery and conflicts of interest. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-09-democrats-ethics_x…

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<bullshit> And you always claim to be a "Libertarian" instead of the right-wing Republican you really are. Wanker.

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I’m still waiting for the Republican list.  Without the list, you cannot verify your claim. Mr Soul

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PS – once again Wheaton is dishonest.  His orginal post cites corrupt Democrats.  Then he produces a list that includes Democrats that are not corrupt. He also makes a claim that there are more corrupt Democrat’s then Republicans, but of course, he doesn’t prove it. Typical Wheaton spin & dishonesity. Mr Soul

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there should be a weighte scale for severity of crimes. All of these lists are too long to post here even for me. This list is a little stale http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/gopscorecard.htm WayneMadsenReport.com Dec. 15, 2005 STATE BY STATE GOP SCANDAL SCORECARD Republican sex scandals http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals photos of the Banana Republicans http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000300.htm With James Tobin’s sentencing less than a week away, the DOJ prosecutors today filed a memorandum in U.S. District Court asking Judge Steven McAuliffe to sentence Tobin to 2 years in prison. (Tobin faces a maximum potential sentence of 5 years.) http://www.senatemajority.com/node/290

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http://www.senatemajority.com/node/276 GOP Playbook Commit crime Issue clean campaign pledge Cover-up crime Last week, the Associated Press reported that GOP Marketplace, the company hired to carry out the 2002 Election Day phone jamming, had a history of similar illegal activity. Owners of GOP Marketplace include Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, Carlyle Group co-founder Ed Mathias, Washington lobbyists Ed Rogers and Lanny Griffith, and former Tennessee Republican Party Chair Tommy Hopper. (Read more about who owned GOP Marketplace here.) In January 2002, GOP Marketplace was hired by James Treffinger, then a New Jersey Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate. In October 2002, while GOP Marketplace and the New Hampshire Republican State Committee worked to finalize the scheme to jam Democratic phone lines, Treffinger was indicted on 20 counts, including bribery, intimidation, and conspiracy. The final count in the 50 plus page indictment described a scheme hatched by Treffinger and a political consultant – Allen Raymond of GOP Marketplace. (Read that portion of the 20-count indictment here.) As the Associated Press reported, the tactic used by GOP Marketplace in New Jersey was to place "attack ad calls" during the Super Bowl – calls which attacked one of Treffinger’s opponents, but were designed to appear as though they were paid for by a third candidate. Immediately after carrying out the New Jersey scheme, the Treffinger campaign released a "Clean Campaign" pledge, which "called upon his challengers … to join him in a pledge to wage a clean, honest, and open campaign." Treffinger also wrote a letter to the very opponents he had misrepresented and attacked only days earlier: "I believe that voters deserve an issues-based discussion without the distortions and misrepresentations which so often characterize modern day campaigns." (Read Treffinger’s "Clean Campaign" pledge and letter here.) In New Hampshire, a similar strategy was followed. The first news reports of the phone jamming in early February 2003 prompted the resignation of Charles McGee, then Executive Director of the New Hampshire Republican State Committee. Immediately after calling asking for McGee’s resignation, then NHRSC Chair Jayne Millerick issued a press release, "challenging Democrats to a code of ethics." Millerick said: "The steps we are taking today send a strong message that unethical activity will not be tolerated on my watch." (Read Millerick’s "Code of Ethics" press release here.) The same day Jayne Millerick issued the "Code of Ethics" press release, phone jamming co-conspirator Charles McGee cashed a $6,000 "election bonus" check from the New Hampshire Republican party. Three weeks later, McGee resigned, although Millerick continued to pay McGee’s salary. Next time you see a Republican issuing a clean campaign pledge, be sure and check their alibi. GOP Marketplace – New Jersey scheme Go here to read the portion of the Treffinger indictment describing the illegal attack calls Go here to see the invoice and check from GOP Marketplace paying a subcontractor to carry out the New Jersey scheme Go here to read the Treffinger clean campaign pledge and letter GOP Marketplace – New Hampshire scheme Go here to see the check from the New Hampshire Republican State Committee to GOP Marketplace Go here to read Jayne Millerick’s Press Release calling for Democrats to abide by a "Code of Ethics" Go here to see the New Hampshire Republican State Committee’s $6,000 "Election Bonus" parting gift to phone jamming coconspirator Charlees McGee, cashed the same day Millerick issued the "Code of Ethics" In August 2005, RNC Chair Ken Mehlman wrote a letter to the American Center for Voting Rights in which he said the Republican Party: "We will not tolerate fraud; we will not tolerateintimidation; we will not tolerate suppression. No employee, associate, or any person representing the Republican Party who engages in these kinds of acts will remain in that position. Republicans do not need to resort to fraud and intimidation to win, and no Republican who does deserves victory." Read that letter here.

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> I’m still waiting for the Republican list.  Without the list, you > cannot verify your claim.

Oh I ALWAYS come through Mr Soulman! Once again, I am answering the King of Inference! What I wrote was,"I played that one out a few months ago with another poster here and the Democratic list was FARrrrrrr longer than the Repub list." As we all know I was referencing YOU when YOU had earlier made claims about Repubs having more Criminals! I challenged YOU to prove it, and once again, you were IMPOTENT as to verifying your baseless, factless, hollow, DISHONEST claims. So you have done nothing but verify as FACTUAL what I posted, and once again proved your claim to the King of Inference Crown! Congrats Mr Soul!

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> PS – once again Wheaton is dishonest.

Another Lemming claim that you have NEVER been able to verify, but why let facts influence your posts at this late date! His orginal post cites corrupt > Democrats.  Then he produces a list that includes Democrats that are > not corrupt.

Really? Please do point out specifics Mr Soulman. > He also makes a claim that there are more corrupt Democrat’s then > Republicans, but of course, he doesn’t prove it.

Once again you prove your self to be the King of Inference. Please do point out where I stated that. > Typical Wheaton spin & dishonesity.

As usual, Mr Soulman the King of Inference sets the standard of ignorant and dishonest unproven claims. At least you are consistent!

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>> Comparing Conyers >> having staffers babysit his kids to Tom Delay’s deals with Jack >> Abramoff, >> is absurd. >I NEVER made that comparison, > Yes you did, since it was included in your list… and you posted the list > in a feeble attempt to say the Dems are more corrupt.

Please post a direct quote of me ever saying such a thing! You can NOT because you are LYING as you Lefty Lemmings do so easily. >We STILL have Kennedy’s endangering the public as they get behind the >wheel >IMPAIRED. Obviously some do NOT learn from history. > Which Kennedy is that?

Patrick Kennedy the son of the Chappaquiddick killer, in for his third detox/rehab in SIX MONTHS!

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> Johnny continues to defend the Bush adminstration,

Why do you LIE so obviously? We all know that I have NOT done any such thing, but why let facts influence your posts at this late date! even as more intelligent > Republicans are realizing what a terrible president he is… and he thinks > he’s a genius.

Why do you LIE so obviously? We all know that I have NOT posted any such thing, but why let facts influence your posts at this late date!

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> PS – once again Wheaton is dishonest.  His orginal post cites corrupt > Democrats.  Then he produces a list that includes Democrats that are > not corrupt. > He also makes a claim that there are more corrupt Democrat’s then > Republicans, but of course, he doesn’t prove it. > Typical Wheaton spin & dishonesity. > Mr Soul

Fewer dems get elected, so it makes sense that there are fewer corrupt ones.  You have to evaluate on a percntage basis.

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> > Johnny continues to defend the Bush adminstration, > Why do you LIE so obviously?

It’s not a lie. You regularly pimp the Bush administration.

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You continue your web of lies.  Show us the list of corrupt Republicans so you can verify your claim earlier in this thread.  We’re all waiting. Mr Soul

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We’re still waiting for the list.  When will you show it? Mr Soulu

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So it’s Democrat = BAD and Republican = GOOD?? That about sums John Wheaton up?

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