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>Don’t hit  him, like you said.  If you want it done outside when he does >carry food or something and praise him, if he does it in the house take it >outside and have him sniff it, tell him that’s where he goes >lastly–just love him.  If you don’t hit him he will learn, let him get >used to you and spend time playing with him ect.,

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> Not too likely, Sean.  It’s early yet for you and Worf.  He was > probably very uncertain when you went out for the evening – was that > your first evening out, after getting Worf?

Yes, it was the first evening out that lasted more than an hour.  We had been out to the store and such.  He has had a few accidents but he is learning nicely.  I’m sure he would learn much faster if I had the heart to put him in a crate, but i can’t do it.  I have heard all the arguements on it..but I can’t do it.  Trouble on the other hand…boy does she take after her name.  her mouth goes around ANYTHING that she can catch.  I’ll take 70 pound Worf over little tiny sharp puppy teeth anyday :) > I think you’re handling this well.  Just clean up without comment. > Don’t make a big deal of reassuring Worf, though – you may make his > submissiveness worse.  Give him a quick belly-rub, and a loving > smile; then go about your business, and let him approach you for the > next attention.  It’s fine that he’s submissive to a point – it > suggests his temperament will remain excellent.

Thanks for the advice.  I have learned he loves to have his belly rubbed, and boy is he ticklish.  :) Take Care, Sean & Kristin Parsons Worf The Klingon K-9 And Little Miss Trouble In Sunny South Florida

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> Dear friend: > I don’t think what you have described necessarily means the dog has been > abused. I do think it is important that you not give him a reward when > he has done something that you consider wrong. >    He may have had separation anxiety or simply had to go and made a > mistake.

He still flips over when he thinks I am mad, but doesn’t stay that way when he see all he is going to get is belly rubs.  When he has done something wrong and I have cought him, he gets no rubs.  With the time he had an accident on the carpet and flipped over, I did rub his belly.  I have been told not to scold a dog for an accident unless you see it happening.  Otherwise the dog doesn’t know what it is being scolded for.   SO I did not scold, but rubbed instead so he would know that i will not hit him, if he was ever hit in the first place.   With the help of all the nice people here, I am slowly getting the hang of being a responsible dog owner.  I hate to use the word owner, I see him now as a part of the family. Thanks to your all Sean Worf & Trouble

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> Don’t hit  him, like you said.  If you want it done outside when he does > carry food or something and praise him, if he does it in the house take it > outside and have him sniff it, tell him that’s where he goes > lastly–just love him.  If you don’t hit him he will learn, let him get > used to you and spend time playing with him ect.,

I would never hit him…This is a new trick.  I have never heard of this, letting the dogs smell it while outside…I’ll try just about anything.   It’s not a big problem though, he will more often than not, go outside.   Thank you for the reply. Take Care, Sean & Kristin Parsons Worf The Klingon K-9 And Little Miss Trouble In Sunny South Florida

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Dear friend: I don’t think what you have described necessarily means the dog has been abused. I do think it is important that you not give him a reward when he has done something that you consider wrong.         He may have had separation anxiety or simply had to go and made a mistake.         There are dogs that are naturally submissive towards humans. This is part of their character. My smooth collie friend Nikki is always flipping on her back to get a tummy rub. She is not, however, submissive toward other dogs.         This is part of pack behavior because dog’s do not believe in this human idea of democracy. We don’t have to waste money on campaigning when we could be sleeping.         If your dog is fairly new to your home and life, it may simply need some time to get used to you and become assured of its position in the pack. It will probably continue to show submission, but this is usually the better arrangement although I do know some households where the human is definitely the low dog on the totem pole. Laddie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The other night I came home from the movies with my wife to find Worf had >left a little preasent for us on the rug.  He had been on a long walk not >3 hours before.  When I saw this a called to him, he dropped to the floor >and flipped on to his back and spread his legs.  It looked to me like he >was in a very submissive position.  He is very new to us and this was our >first accident, could he have been abused by the other owner.  Is there >something I should do to reassure him that he is not going to get hit.  I >would prefer that he not do it in the house, but I am not going to beat >him for it.  It took awhile of rubbing his belly before he would relax >and stand up.  If I moved to fast he would drop again.  Other than this >he is a very happy dog.   >Appreciate your thoughts >Sean & Worf

Don’t hit  him, like you said.  If you want it done outside when he does carry food or something and praise him, if he does it in the house take it outside and have him sniff it, tell him that’s where he goes lastly–just love him.  If you don’t hit him he will learn, let him get used to you and spend time playing with him ect.,

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>The other night I came home from the movies with my wife to find Worf had >left a little preasent for us on the rug.  He had been on a long walk not >3 hours before.  When I saw this a called to him, he dropped to the floor >and flipped on to his back and spread his legs.  It looked to me like he >was in a very submissive position.  He is very new to us and this was our >first accident, could he have been abused by the other owner.  Is there >something I should do to reassure him that he is not going to get hit.  I >would prefer that he not do it in the house, but I am not going to beat >him for it.  It took awhile of rubbing his belly before he would relax >and stand up.  If I moved to fast he would drop again.  Other than this >he is a very happy dog.   >Appreciate your thoughts >Sean & Worf

Laying on his back is definitely a submissive posture. Years ago I rescued a GSD who had been abused. It broke my heart to see him cower when any quick moves were made; when we’d light the bbq (they had burned him); when I’d shake rugs at the back door. So sad. Just give this guy lots of love and tenderness. He’ll come around…mine did, but it took months! As for the poop…maybe he really did have to go or maybe it was separation anxiety. He’ll learn the ropes and also learn that you are kind and loving.

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WM> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior WM> The other night I came home from the movies with my wife to find Worf had WM> left a little preasent for us on the rug.  He had been on a long walk not WM> 3 hours before.  When I saw this a called to him, he dropped to the floor WM> and flipped on to his back and spread his legs.  It looked to me like he WM> was in a very submissive position.  He is very new to us and this was our WM> first accident, could he have been abused by the other owner.  Is there Not too likely, Sean.  It’s early yet for you and Worf.  He was probably very uncertain when you went out for the evening – was that your first evening out, after getting Worf? WM> something I should do to reassure him that he is not going to get hit.  I WM> would prefer that he not do it in the house, but I am not going to beat WM> him for it.  It took awhile of rubbing his belly before he would relax WM> and stand up.  If I moved to fast he would drop again.  Other than this WM> he is a very happy dog. I think you’re handling this well.  Just clean up without comment. Don’t make a big deal of reassuring Worf, though – you may make his submissiveness worse.  Give him a quick belly-rub, and a loving smile; then go about your business, and let him approach you for the next attention.  It’s fine that he’s submissive to a point – it suggests his temperament will remain excellent.     — Carol   Fri 12-Jan-96 08:52 —  * RoseReader 2.52B P001545 Entered at [BB&C]

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The other night I came home from the movies with my wife to find Worf had left a little preasent for us on the rug.  He had been on a long walk not 3 hours before.  When I saw this a called to him, he dropped to the floor and flipped on to his back and spread his legs.  It looked to me like he was in a very submissive position.  He is very new to us and this was our first accident, could he have been abused by the other owner.  Is there something I should do to reassure him that he is not going to get hit.  I would prefer that he not do it in the house, but I am not going to beat him for it.  It took awhile of rubbing his belly before he would relax and stand up.  If I moved to fast he would drop again.  Other than this he is a very happy dog.   Appreciate your thoughts Sean & Worf

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