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Try caviar and champagne… OR, maybe forget about bribing your dog and just train him without the B.S. using the INFORMATION in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Still and all, it might be a great idea to keep some hotdogs in the freezer > for those times I’m caught without the jerky. > oooieoo > Get either chicken or turkey. Also hotdogs are fairly cheap compared > to jerky. > Gwen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > <spam, lies & slander sipped> > > Beware of Jerry Howe. > Hello ed, > You hate me because you are a koehler trainer. > Not true. > Most of your rpdb Gand Of > Thugs are koehler trainers. koehler trainers are dog abusing cowards whom > I’ve DISCREDITED with THEIR LIES, ABUSE, and SLANDER. > Not true. > Report me to my isp AND if it’s true, THEY’LL SHUT ME DOWN. > Roadrunner wouldn’t shut down Hitler. > Oh, I FORGOT… YOU HAVE REPORTED ME. The entire Gang Of Thugs have reported > me SEVERAL DOZEN TIMES. > Wouldn’t know & don’t care. > AND YOU KNOW WHAT, ed? > Three I.S.P.’s and a couple of news reader services INVESTIGATED, and they > came back and SAID JERRY DOESN’T LIE, SLANDER, or SPAM, or THEY’D SHUT ME > I don’t believe you. > DOWN… Never been shut down for even a minute, ed. > Wouldn’t know & don’t care. > You’re a beggar, a liar, and a mental case. > Not true. > You and your pals are PROVEN LIARS and DOG ABUSERS. > Not true. > BWWWAAHAHAHAH!!! > ???

The answer to your question is: "YES." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> EdW > http://Petloss.com

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> <spam, lies & slander sipped> > Beware of Jerry Howe.

Hello ed, You hate me because you are a koehler trainer.  Most of your rpdb Gand Of Thugs are koehler trainers. koehler trainers are dog abusing cowards whom I’ve DISCREDITED with THEIR LIES, ABUSE, and SLANDER. Report me to my isp AND if it’s true, THEY’LL SHUT ME DOWN. Oh, I FORGOT… YOU HAVE REPORTED ME. The entire Gang Of Thugs have reported me SEVERAL DOZEN TIMES. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, ed? Three I.S.P.’s and a couple of news reader services INVESTIGATED, and they came back and SAID JERRY DOESN’T LIE, SLANDER, or SPAM, or THEY’D SHUT ME DOWN… Never been shut down for even a minute, ed. You’re a beggar, a liar, and a mental case. You and your pals are PROVEN LIARS and DOG ABUSERS. BWWWAAHAHAHAH!!!

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> > <spam, lies & slander sipped> > Beware of Jerry Howe. > Hello ed, > You hate me because you are a koehler trainer.  

Not true. Most of your rpdb Gand Of > Thugs are koehler trainers. koehler trainers are dog abusing cowards whom > I’ve DISCREDITED with THEIR LIES, ABUSE, and SLANDER.

Not true. > Report me to my isp AND if it’s true, THEY’LL SHUT ME DOWN.

Roadrunner wouldn’t shut down Hitler. > Oh, I FORGOT… YOU HAVE REPORTED ME. The entire Gang Of Thugs have reported > me SEVERAL DOZEN TIMES.

Wouldn’t know & don’t care. > AND YOU KNOW WHAT, ed? > Three I.S.P.’s and a couple of news reader services INVESTIGATED, and they > came back and SAID JERRY DOESN’T LIE, SLANDER, or SPAM, or THEY’D SHUT ME

I don’t believe you. > DOWN… Never been shut down for even a minute, ed.

Wouldn’t know & don’t care. > You’re a beggar, a liar, and a mental case.

Not true. > You and your pals are PROVEN LIARS and DOG ABUSERS.

Not true. > BWWWAAHAHAHAH!!!

??? EdW http://Petloss.com

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< <spam, lies & slander sipped> Beware of Jerry Howe. Jerry Howe is only here to sell you his dubious $100 electronic training device. That is where the link he posts takes you. His "free training manual" offer is the bait for his underhanded "bait & switch" scam. (An unhappy purchaser of Jerry’s $100 training device has posted a review at: If Jerry were an honest person he would post a genuine link to the "free training  manual" & not try to scam every new person on the newsgroup. Unfortunately he refuses to do so and, as you can see by his posts, viciously attacks, slanders, and lies about anyone who disagrees with him in any way. Recently, Jerry Howe encouraged a poster in this very newsgroup to: , & I quote, " P.S. Take a couple of Tylenol with cyaninde. " EdW http://Petloss.com/inthenws.htm

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> A.J., > Beware of Jerry Howe.

Yeah. I keep blowing the whistle on our dog abusing, lying Thugs:

"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." Amy lyingfrosty Dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article, there is NO mention in it of twisting ears. I would never slap a dog. I would never advise anyone to slap a dog. I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean slap, it means hit. amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. With your hand on the collar and ear, say, "fetch." Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog, Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch. Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. "The Koehler Method of Dog Training" , Howell Book House, 1996": BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING The fact that you realize you have such a problem makes it certain you have "reproved" the dog often enough to let him know you were against his sound effects, even though your reproving didn’t quiet them, so we’ll bypass the loudly clapped hands, the cup of water in his face, and the "shame-shames" and start with something more emphatic. We’ll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his mouth. But you won’t make the permanent impression unless you supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don’t always come at the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet hour" and pursue his old routines at other times. With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not lessen the dog’s value as a watchdog but rather, as he grows more discriminating, increase it. The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness because you’re gone constitutes a different problem. If it is impractical for someone to stay with him constantly (there are owners who cater to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you’ll have to heed the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This calls for a little ingenuity as well as a heavy hand. Attach a line to your dog’s collar, so your corrective effort doesn’t turn into a footrace around the house until you reach a stalemate under the bed. This use of the line in the correction will also serve to establish it as a reminder to be quiet as the dog drags it around when you’re not present. Next, equip yourself with a man’s leather belt or a strap heavy enough to give your particular dog a good tanning. Yup-we’re going to strike him. Real hard. Remember, you’re dealing with a dog who knows he should be quiet and neighbors who have legal rights to see that he does. When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to the door so you can barge in while he’s still barking, which is generally impossible, respond to his first sound with an emphatic bellow of "out," and keep on bellowing as you charge back to his area. Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something. While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again. So that you won’t feel remorseful, reflect on the truth that a great percentage of the barkers who are given away to "good homes" end up in the kindly black box with the sweet smell. Personally, I’ve always felt that it’s even better to spank children, even if they "cry out," than to "put them to sleep." You might have a long wait on that comfortable porch before your dog starts broadcasting again. When he does, let your long range bellow tie the consequent correction to his first sound and repeat the spanking, if anything emphasizing it a bit more. It might be necessary to spend a Saturday or another day off so that you’ll have time to follow through sufficiently. When you have a full day, you will be able to convince him each yelp will have a bad consequence, and the consistency will make your job easier. If he gets away with his concert part of the time, he’ll be apt to gamble on your inconsistency. After a half dozen corrections, "the reason and the correction" will be tied in close enough association so that you can move in on him without the preliminary bellowing of "out." From then on, it’s just a case of laying for the dog and supplying enough bad consequences of his noise so he’ll no longer feel like gambling. If there has been a long history of barking and whining, it sometimes requires a lot of work to make a dog be quiet when you’re not around, so give the above method an honest try before you presume your dog requires a more severe correction. "Housebreaking problems: Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog may require punishment. Make certain he is equipped with a collar and piece of line so he can’t avoid correction. When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to the place of his error, and hold his head close enough so that he associates his error with the punishment. Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper. It is important to your future relationship that you do not rush at him and start swinging before you get hold of him. When he’s been spanked, take him outside. Chances are, if you are careful in your feeding and close observation, you will not have to do much punishing. Be consistent in your handling. To have a pup almost house-broken and then force him to commit an error by not providing an opportunity to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will make your job easier. The same general techniques of housebreaking apply to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the house. For the grown dog who was reliable in the house and then backslides, the method of correction differs somewhat. In this group of "backsliders" we have the "revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed. The first step of correction is to confine the dog closely in a part of the house when you go away, so that he is constantly reminded of his obligation. The fact that he once was reliable in the house is proof that the dog knows right from wrong, and it leaves you no other course than to punish him sufficiently to convince him that the satisfaction of his wrongdoing is not worth the consequences. If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the light spanking that some owners seem to think is adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog, as well as the house, if you really pour it on him." Ask yourself "WHY DOESN’T JERRY HURT DOGS TO TRAIN THEM?" And then just answer "BECAUSE JERRY KNOWS HOWE TO TRAIN DOGS WITHOUT HURTING THEM." And THEN SAY OUT LOUD: "IGNORE JERRY, HE’S MEAN TO DOG ABUSERS." You can get all the information you need to PROPERLY handle and train your dog using non force, non confronatational, scientific and psychological methods, in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com The Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual is provided compliments of  the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves as an alternative to Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too). Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe. j;~}

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A.J., Beware of Jerry Howe. Jerry Howe is only here to sell you his dubious $100 electronic training device. That is where the link he posts takes you. His "free training manual" offer is the bait for his underhanded "bait & switch" scam. (An unhappy purchaser of Jerry’s $100 training device has posted a review at: If Jerry were an honest person he would post a genuine link to the "free training  manual" & not try to scam every new person on the newsgroup. Unfortunately he refuses to do so and, as you can see by his posts, viciously attacks, slanders, and lies about anyone who disagrees with him in any way. Recently, Jerry Howe encouraged a poster in this very newsgroup to: , & I quote, " P.S. Take a couple of Tylenol with cyaninde. " Jerry also posted this to a female who did not agree with him: "You don’t like me because I point out the pimples on your butt, and you look around, see the boil oozing pus, and then you blame ME for pointing it out to you. Stick your head back in the dirt and ignore me. The boil will stop leaking pus when you run out of infection…". I would suggest that you avoid ANY contact with Jerry Howe. EdW http://Petloss.com/inthenws.htm

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> Still and all, it might be a great idea to keep some hotdogs in the freezer > for those times I’m caught without the jerky. > oooieoo

Get either chicken or turkey. Also hotdogs are fairly cheap compared to jerky. Gwen

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Hello A.J., Save your hard earned dough. There’s not much these traniers can offer you that you can’t get on your own and for FREE. What kind of problems are you having, and what are the books you’ve been reading? MOST of our training advice is inappropriate at best and dangerous in many instances. Just look at the kind of advice we get here from our "experts." You’ll get MOORE of the same from 90% of the trainers out there. They ALL talk a good story. Save your bread, save yourself a lot of wasted time and potential grief. Get the information you NEED to teach your dog to do anything you as, without fear, force, confrontation, confinement, or punishment, from the FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual at http://www.doggydoright.com Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe. j;~} If anyone warns you about taking my FREE advice, just ask them HOWE to stop a dog from eating poo… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a 7 month old Blue Healer. I’ve been reading and trying to train but > still need some help. I’m located in NYC. does anyone know of someone good!

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> Something that ties into this idea of having the dog focus on you and takes > it just a step further is to teach a word to go along with it. I like to use > the word "Watch."

I ahve always used "look". I might try the "watch" just for a new twist. It certainly can’t hurt; > I don’t like the boiled liver that my friends all like (can’t stand the > stuff),

Well I microwave the liver with lots of garlic added untilthe liver is near crispy. Of course the liver pieces I am not putting in my mouth. I do put chicken hotdogs in my mouth and let my dog take it from me. Cheers, Gwen

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> > I don’t like the boiled liver that my friends all like (can’t stand the

stuff), << Gwen Watson wrote… > Well I microwave the liver with lots of garlic added untilthe liver is

near crispy. Of course the liver pieces I am not putting in my mouth. I do put chicken hotdogs in my mouth and let my dog take it from me.< Liver in any form? Eeeuuwww…. no way no how not in this lifetime. <g> I like the hotdog idea though….might work. I tend to like the jerky because I can keep a stash in my pocket (not greasy like a hotdog) and jam some in my mouth as needed and it doesn’t mush up after a long time. I like keeping some in my mouth because I want the dog I’m working to focus on my face. Still and all, it might be a great idea to keep some hotdogs in the freezer for those times I’m caught without the jerky. oooieoo

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Gwen Watson wrote … > One other thing that I have found really does work is to make sure > the dog has good focus on you at first, ie LOOK straight in your eyes. > Use food to get this behavior. A dog that is attentive will always do > better than one that is looking every  which way. Feeding meals > out of your hand really helps create a bond. At least I am really > starting to buy into this method of training.

Something that ties into this idea of having the dog focus on you and takes it just a step further is to teach a word to go along with it. I like to use the word "Watch." That ‘W’ sound can be really handy, in that you can do all kinds of things with it like draw it out, i.e. "wwwaaaa." The sound isn’t very loud. In fact, it’s kind of fun to see how softly you can whisper the word and too funny to find the doggie stopping in it’s tracks, whipping it’s head around to see what’s up. I don’t like the boiled liver that my friends all like (can’t stand the stuff), so I chop beef jerky into less than 1/4" squares and stuff a bunch of them into my cheek. I say "watch" then slowly move my hand to my mouth. When/if the dog is actually focused on me, I’ll take out one of the pieces and give it to the dog. Doesn’t take but one or two tries before the dog gets the idea. oooieoo

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I have a 7 month old Blue Healer. I’ve been reading and trying to train but still need some help. I’m located in NYC. does anyone know of someone good!

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> I have a 7 month old Blue Healer. I’ve been reading and trying to train but > still need some help. I’m located in NYC. does anyone know of someone good!

What type of problems are you having? Or should I say what kind of results are you after? One thing for sure with a 7 month old puppy, training needs to happen several times a day, at no more than 5-7 minute intervals. I have found through trial and my own errors that to STOP when dog has done one thing perfect during that session, ie a perfect immediate sit. Stop the training at that point and start the praise and play. Then do another session later on. Each time stopping when dog has peaked or done a perfect exercise. You must pay attention to your dogs attention as well. If he seems unattentive then it will not be a great training session. If play and reward comes along with this training and the dog has been successful they are normally very willing to work and please each time. One other thing that I have found really does work is to make sure the dog has good focus on you at first, ie LOOK straight in your eyes. Use food to get this behavior. A dog that is attentive will always do better than one that is looking every  which way. Feeding meals out of your hand really helps create a bond. At least I am really starting to buy into this method of training. I hope someone else can help you with a trainer in NYC. Gwen

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