Question:
We are moving into a new house with many french doors. We would like to be able to train our cat not to venture outside. Anyone have any experience with invisible fences for cats? Thanks, Tom
Response:
> We are moving into a new house with many french doors. We would like to be > able to train our cat not to venture outside. Anyone have any experience > with invisible fences for cats?
Invisible fences require boundary training as well as a tag on their collar. And an animal will often choose to run right through it when chasing something, and then not be able to cross back over to get back in. And remember, it will not keep other animals from coming in…. any neighborhood dog can make himself at home in your front yard. I don’t feel that they are particularly safe, or effective. -Toni
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Tom, See my earlier post from last year – the second one. I was thinking about this too, and decided against it after I did some research. Good luck, Laura (Rascalsmom) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > We are moving into a new house with many french doors. We would like to be > able to train our cat not to venture outside. Anyone have any experience > with invisible fences for cats? > Thanks, > Tom
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Don’t go there. Last posting I saw about the so-called "invisible fence" was about a cat killed by the product. Cat’s jaw was caught in the shock-delivering collar. Invisible fences aren’t much good for dogs, either. Keeps your dog inside as long as the shock deters it (and highly motivated dogs just yelp and keep going) and does NOT keep out humans or other dogs. Either get a fence and cat-proof it with a humane and effective product called "Cat Fence-In" or keep the cat indoors is my recommendation. I believe I am linked to the fence-in website if you are interested. Works on any kind of fence that is 4 foot or higher. Sharon Talbert Friends of Campus Cats www.campuscats.org
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Hi, Sharon! How you’ve been? We have twenty six fur faces now. Caught an adorable little girl back on the 15th of October. Have you checked out our backyard? http://www.lisaviolet.com/cathouse/backyard.html It’s a fencing system for do it yourselfers. Like us. Welp, gotta go wash something. — http://www.lisaviolet.com four live cameras! more cats than you can count on your fingers and toes!
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Hi, yourself! I’ll have to visit your backyard next time I’m on my home account. Glad you still out there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, Sharon! > How you’ve been? We have twenty six fur faces now. Caught an adorable > little girl back on the 15th of October. > Have you checked out our backyard? > http://www.lisaviolet.com/cathouse/backyard.html > It’s a fencing system for do it yourselfers. Like us. > Welp, gotta go wash something. > — > http://www.lisaviolet.com > four live cameras! > more cats than you can count on your fingers and toes!
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>Megan, >I’m disturbed by what you have told me. First of all, I was under the >impression that any electrical shock was of very low level and not >anywhere near powerful enough to cause burns. Second of all, I thought >that the collars only had batteries in them – nothing capable of doing >something similar to what you have related here. I appreciate your >input since it has given me information that I didn’t have before, but >of course, that’s why I posted to this ng – for information! I like >Phil’s suggestion – did you see it? Laura
Somebody once reported that the Invisible Fence had caused his cat to choke to death.
Response:
Just in case some of you are interested: I did some research while waiting for responses to my post yesterday (shown below) – I didn’t find anything about the adverse effects reported by Megan or Indy, and I searched vet journals as well as internet info. However, I *did* find that there are significant differences among the different types of "fences" and collars out there. I also figured out that this isn’t a good alternative for us. Why? Because a big part of the success with the invisible fences is the training you do with your pet. I can’t see the little ones learning to respond to the warning beep – they’re smart, but incredibly curious as cats should be, so they would probably challenge the "fence" constantly and that would be pointless! So, thanks to everyone for your responses – I can certainly understand why most of us in this group don’t use these. Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all – > I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – > in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new > members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting > along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able > to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s easy > to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house > all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we keep > Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble > refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible fence > system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble > could come and go with impunity. > So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work > well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? > Thanks for the help, Laura > Before you buy.
Before you buy.
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>Just in case some of you are interested: I did some research while >waiting for responses to my post yesterday (shown below) – I didn’t >find anything about the adverse effects reported by Megan or Indy > …
Here’s a copy of the original post : – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.dogs >I have had 2 indoor cats for the past 6 years and recently purchased a >great dane puppy. He was showing some tendency to dig in the back yard >and was worried that he would dig under the fence, so I contacted the >local Invisible Fence dealer and arranged to have the fence installed >and got the collars for him and the 2 cats figuring that I could let >them outside now and not worry about getting hit by a car, etc. >The Invisible Fence guy installed the system yesterday morning. He put >the collar on the dog and one of the cats and left at 3 pm. When I got >home at 6 pm, the cat was dead. He had managed to get the collar into >his mouth and choked to death on the shock unit. >I don’t have words to express how upset I am. I specifically told the >dealer that I had never been able to keep a collar on the cat before, >and i believed him when he said "We’ve never had a problem keeping the >collar on cats."
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Megan, I’m disturbed by what you have told me. First of all, I was under the impression that any electrical shock was of very low level and not anywhere near powerful enough to cause burns. Second of all, I thought that the collars only had batteries in them – nothing capable of doing something similar to what you have related here. I appreciate your input since it has given me information that I didn’t have before, but of course, that’s why I posted to this ng – for information! I like Phil’s suggestion – did you see it? Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I wouldn’t use the invisible fence on ANY animal. If involves shocking > the animal to keep it inbounds, and I would not for a moment consider > putting one of these types of collars on my cats as it is cruel and > these collars have also been known to fail. One example was a dog my mom > was petsitting. The collar malfunctioned and the shock went on > continuosly without stopping and burned a hole right into this poor > animals neck. This is not a chance I will take. > Megan > "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do > nothing." > -Edmund Burke > Learn The TRUTH About Declawing > http://www.stopdeclaw.com > Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574&Auth=false
Before you buy.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all – > I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – > in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new > members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting > along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able > to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s easy > to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house > all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we keep > Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble > refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible fence > system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble > could come and go with impunity. > So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work > well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? > Thanks for the help, Laura
How do feel about small shelves? Three of ‘em, located in various places; wide enough to hold a small cylindrical single kitty condo – 11" h x 13" diameter (Petsmart – $20). Cats like "up" so put them on a wall where the cats can get to them. Trouble will always have a place to "meditate" in private – the single condo entrance is small so only one cat can get in. Whichever ones the kittens use (if they’re old enough to climb that high) Trouble will always one for himself. Just the shelves alone may work (I just like spoiling my cats). I have a 15 y/o who likes to be alone sometimes — if one of my other cats is in "her" spot, she goes into a different one. It works. Good luck. Phil. — "Cat people are different, to the extent that they generally are not conformists. How could the be, with a cat running their lives?" –Louis Camuti Feline Healthcare: http://maxshouse.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Before you buy.
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I wouldn’t use the invisible fence on ANY animal. If involves shocking the animal to keep it inbounds, and I would not for a moment consider putting one of these types of collars on my cats as it is cruel and these collars have also been known to fail. One example was a dog my mom was petsitting. The collar malfunctioned and the shock went on continuosly without stopping and burned a hole right into this poor animals neck. This is not a chance I will take. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574&Auth=false
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Phil, I *love* shelves. We have several and we also have cat climbing towers on each floor of the house. Needless to say, these kitties love to climb and they enjoy all these places to go. Your suggestion about a single-occupant size condo on a shelf might do the trick though. Trouble has a shelf on the window in his special room, but it is open and he could be "attacked" by a couple playful kittens that didn’t want to respect his need to be alone. Although they will probably sort that out, I’d just like to provide a means to avoid it if possible. So, I will look into the condo idea. Did you see Megan’s post about the fences? I was surprised about the collar – my understanding is that the collar has a battery in it, not the electrical device itself, although it must have some sort of receiver. Have you heard of such things also? Thanks, Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all – > I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – > in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new > members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting > along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able > to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s > easy > to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house > all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we > keep > Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble > refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible > fence > system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble > could come and go with impunity. > So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work > well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? > Thanks for the help, Laura > How do feel about small shelves? Three of ‘em, located in various > places; wide enough to hold a small cylindrical single kitty condo – 11" > h x 13" diameter (Petsmart – $20). Cats like "up" so put them on a wall > where the cats can get to them. Trouble will always have a place to > "meditate" in private – the single condo entrance is small so only one > cat can get in. Whichever ones the kittens use (if they’re old enough > to climb that high) Trouble will always one for himself. Just the > shelves alone may work (I just like spoiling my cats). > I have a 15 y/o who likes to be alone sometimes — if one of my other > cats is in "her" spot, she goes into a different one. It works. > Good luck. > Phil. > — > "Cat people are different, to the extent that they > generally are not conformists. > How could the be, with a cat running their lives?" > –Louis Camuti > Feline Healthcare: http://maxshouse.com > Before you buy.
Before you buy.
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Hello all – I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s easy to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we keep Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible fence system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble could come and go with impunity. So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? Thanks for the help, Laura Before you buy.
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We are moving into a new house with many french doors. We would like to be able to train our cat not to venture outside. Anyone have any experience with invisible fences for cats? Thanks, Tom
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> We are moving into a new house with many french doors. We would like to be > able to train our cat not to venture outside. Anyone have any experience > with invisible fences for cats?
Invisible fences require boundary training as well as a tag on their collar. And an animal will often choose to run right through it when chasing something, and then not be able to cross back over to get back in. And remember, it will not keep other animals from coming in…. any neighborhood dog can make himself at home in your front yard. I don’t feel that they are particularly safe, or effective. -Toni
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Tom, See my earlier post from last year – the second one. I was thinking about this too, and decided against it after I did some research. Good luck, Laura (Rascalsmom) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > We are moving into a new house with many french doors. We would like to be > able to train our cat not to venture outside. Anyone have any experience > with invisible fences for cats? > Thanks, > Tom
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Don’t go there. Last posting I saw about the so-called "invisible fence" was about a cat killed by the product. Cat’s jaw was caught in the shock-delivering collar. Invisible fences aren’t much good for dogs, either. Keeps your dog inside as long as the shock deters it (and highly motivated dogs just yelp and keep going) and does NOT keep out humans or other dogs. Either get a fence and cat-proof it with a humane and effective product called "Cat Fence-In" or keep the cat indoors is my recommendation. I believe I am linked to the fence-in website if you are interested. Works on any kind of fence that is 4 foot or higher. Sharon Talbert Friends of Campus Cats www.campuscats.org
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Hi, Sharon! How you’ve been? We have twenty six fur faces now. Caught an adorable little girl back on the 15th of October. Have you checked out our backyard? http://www.lisaviolet.com/cathouse/backyard.html It’s a fencing system for do it yourselfers. Like us. Welp, gotta go wash something. — http://www.lisaviolet.com four live cameras! more cats than you can count on your fingers and toes!
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Hi, yourself! I’ll have to visit your backyard next time I’m on my home account. Glad you still out there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, Sharon! > How you’ve been? We have twenty six fur faces now. Caught an adorable > little girl back on the 15th of October. > Have you checked out our backyard? > http://www.lisaviolet.com/cathouse/backyard.html > It’s a fencing system for do it yourselfers. Like us. > Welp, gotta go wash something. > — > http://www.lisaviolet.com > four live cameras! > more cats than you can count on your fingers and toes!
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>Megan, >I’m disturbed by what you have told me. First of all, I was under the >impression that any electrical shock was of very low level and not >anywhere near powerful enough to cause burns. Second of all, I thought >that the collars only had batteries in them – nothing capable of doing >something similar to what you have related here. I appreciate your >input since it has given me information that I didn’t have before, but >of course, that’s why I posted to this ng – for information! I like >Phil’s suggestion – did you see it? Laura
Somebody once reported that the Invisible Fence had caused his cat to choke to death.
Response:
Just in case some of you are interested: I did some research while waiting for responses to my post yesterday (shown below) – I didn’t find anything about the adverse effects reported by Megan or Indy, and I searched vet journals as well as internet info. However, I *did* find that there are significant differences among the different types of "fences" and collars out there. I also figured out that this isn’t a good alternative for us. Why? Because a big part of the success with the invisible fences is the training you do with your pet. I can’t see the little ones learning to respond to the warning beep – they’re smart, but incredibly curious as cats should be, so they would probably challenge the "fence" constantly and that would be pointless! So, thanks to everyone for your responses – I can certainly understand why most of us in this group don’t use these. Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all – > I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – > in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new > members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting > along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able > to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s easy > to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house > all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we keep > Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble > refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible fence > system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble > could come and go with impunity. > So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work > well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? > Thanks for the help, Laura > Before you buy.
Before you buy.
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>Just in case some of you are interested: I did some research while >waiting for responses to my post yesterday (shown below) – I didn’t >find anything about the adverse effects reported by Megan or Indy > …
Here’s a copy of the original post : – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.dogs >I have had 2 indoor cats for the past 6 years and recently purchased a >great dane puppy. He was showing some tendency to dig in the back yard >and was worried that he would dig under the fence, so I contacted the >local Invisible Fence dealer and arranged to have the fence installed >and got the collars for him and the 2 cats figuring that I could let >them outside now and not worry about getting hit by a car, etc. >The Invisible Fence guy installed the system yesterday morning. He put >the collar on the dog and one of the cats and left at 3 pm. When I got >home at 6 pm, the cat was dead. He had managed to get the collar into >his mouth and choked to death on the shock unit. >I don’t have words to express how upset I am. I specifically told the >dealer that I had never been able to keep a collar on the cat before, >and i believed him when he said "We’ve never had a problem keeping the >collar on cats."
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Megan, I’m disturbed by what you have told me. First of all, I was under the impression that any electrical shock was of very low level and not anywhere near powerful enough to cause burns. Second of all, I thought that the collars only had batteries in them – nothing capable of doing something similar to what you have related here. I appreciate your input since it has given me information that I didn’t have before, but of course, that’s why I posted to this ng – for information! I like Phil’s suggestion – did you see it? Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I wouldn’t use the invisible fence on ANY animal. If involves shocking > the animal to keep it inbounds, and I would not for a moment consider > putting one of these types of collars on my cats as it is cruel and > these collars have also been known to fail. One example was a dog my mom > was petsitting. The collar malfunctioned and the shock went on > continuosly without stopping and burned a hole right into this poor > animals neck. This is not a chance I will take. > Megan > "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do > nothing." > -Edmund Burke > Learn The TRUTH About Declawing > http://www.stopdeclaw.com > Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574&Auth=false
Before you buy.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all – > I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – > in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new > members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting > along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able > to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s easy > to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house > all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we keep > Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble > refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible fence > system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble > could come and go with impunity. > So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work > well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? > Thanks for the help, Laura
How do feel about small shelves? Three of ‘em, located in various places; wide enough to hold a small cylindrical single kitty condo – 11" h x 13" diameter (Petsmart – $20). Cats like "up" so put them on a wall where the cats can get to them. Trouble will always have a place to "meditate" in private – the single condo entrance is small so only one cat can get in. Whichever ones the kittens use (if they’re old enough to climb that high) Trouble will always one for himself. Just the shelves alone may work (I just like spoiling my cats). I have a 15 y/o who likes to be alone sometimes — if one of my other cats is in "her" spot, she goes into a different one. It works. Good luck. Phil. — "Cat people are different, to the extent that they generally are not conformists. How could the be, with a cat running their lives?" –Louis Camuti Feline Healthcare: http://maxshouse.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Before you buy.
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I wouldn’t use the invisible fence on ANY animal. If involves shocking the animal to keep it inbounds, and I would not for a moment consider putting one of these types of collars on my cats as it is cruel and these collars have also been known to fail. One example was a dog my mom was petsitting. The collar malfunctioned and the shock went on continuosly without stopping and burned a hole right into this poor animals neck. This is not a chance I will take. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574&Auth=false
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Phil, I *love* shelves. We have several and we also have cat climbing towers on each floor of the house. Needless to say, these kitties love to climb and they enjoy all these places to go. Your suggestion about a single-occupant size condo on a shelf might do the trick though. Trouble has a shelf on the window in his special room, but it is open and he could be "attacked" by a couple playful kittens that didn’t want to respect his need to be alone. Although they will probably sort that out, I’d just like to provide a means to avoid it if possible. So, I will look into the condo idea. Did you see Megan’s post about the fences? I was surprised about the collar – my understanding is that the collar has a battery in it, not the electrical device itself, although it must have some sort of receiver. Have you heard of such things also? Thanks, Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all – > I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – > in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new > members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting > along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able > to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s > easy > to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house > all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we > keep > Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble > refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible > fence > system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble > could come and go with impunity. > So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work > well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? > Thanks for the help, Laura > How do feel about small shelves? Three of ‘em, located in various > places; wide enough to hold a small cylindrical single kitty condo – 11" > h x 13" diameter (Petsmart – $20). Cats like "up" so put them on a wall > where the cats can get to them. Trouble will always have a place to > "meditate" in private – the single condo entrance is small so only one > cat can get in. Whichever ones the kittens use (if they’re old enough > to climb that high) Trouble will always one for himself. Just the > shelves alone may work (I just like spoiling my cats). > I have a 15 y/o who likes to be alone sometimes — if one of my other > cats is in "her" spot, she goes into a different one. It works. > Good luck. > Phil. > — > "Cat people are different, to the extent that they > generally are not conformists. > How could the be, with a cat running their lives?" > –Louis Camuti > Feline Healthcare: http://maxshouse.com > Before you buy.
Before you buy.
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Hello all – I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s easy to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we keep Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible fence system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble could come and go with impunity. So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? Thanks for the help, Laura Before you buy.
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We are moving into a new house with many french doors. We would like to be able to train our cat not to venture outside. Anyone have any experience with invisible fences for cats? Thanks, Tom
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> We are moving into a new house with many french doors. We would like to be > able to train our cat not to venture outside. Anyone have any experience > with invisible fences for cats?
Invisible fences require boundary training as well as a tag on their collar. And an animal will often choose to run right through it when chasing something, and then not be able to cross back over to get back in. And remember, it will not keep other animals from coming in…. any neighborhood dog can make himself at home in your front yard. I don’t feel that they are particularly safe, or effective. -Toni
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Tom, See my earlier post from last year – the second one. I was thinking about this too, and decided against it after I did some research. Good luck, Laura (Rascalsmom) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > We are moving into a new house with many french doors. We would like to be > able to train our cat not to venture outside. Anyone have any experience > with invisible fences for cats? > Thanks, > Tom
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Don’t go there. Last posting I saw about the so-called "invisible fence" was about a cat killed by the product. Cat’s jaw was caught in the shock-delivering collar. Invisible fences aren’t much good for dogs, either. Keeps your dog inside as long as the shock deters it (and highly motivated dogs just yelp and keep going) and does NOT keep out humans or other dogs. Either get a fence and cat-proof it with a humane and effective product called "Cat Fence-In" or keep the cat indoors is my recommendation. I believe I am linked to the fence-in website if you are interested. Works on any kind of fence that is 4 foot or higher. Sharon Talbert Friends of Campus Cats www.campuscats.org
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Hi, Sharon! How you’ve been? We have twenty six fur faces now. Caught an adorable little girl back on the 15th of October. Have you checked out our backyard? http://www.lisaviolet.com/cathouse/backyard.html It’s a fencing system for do it yourselfers. Like us. Welp, gotta go wash something. — http://www.lisaviolet.com four live cameras! more cats than you can count on your fingers and toes!
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Hi, yourself! I’ll have to visit your backyard next time I’m on my home account. Glad you still out there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, Sharon! > How you’ve been? We have twenty six fur faces now. Caught an adorable > little girl back on the 15th of October. > Have you checked out our backyard? > http://www.lisaviolet.com/cathouse/backyard.html > It’s a fencing system for do it yourselfers. Like us. > Welp, gotta go wash something. > — > http://www.lisaviolet.com > four live cameras! > more cats than you can count on your fingers and toes!
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>Megan, >I’m disturbed by what you have told me. First of all, I was under the >impression that any electrical shock was of very low level and not >anywhere near powerful enough to cause burns. Second of all, I thought >that the collars only had batteries in them – nothing capable of doing >something similar to what you have related here. I appreciate your >input since it has given me information that I didn’t have before, but >of course, that’s why I posted to this ng – for information! I like >Phil’s suggestion – did you see it? Laura
Somebody once reported that the Invisible Fence had caused his cat to choke to death.
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Just in case some of you are interested: I did some research while waiting for responses to my post yesterday (shown below) – I didn’t find anything about the adverse effects reported by Megan or Indy, and I searched vet journals as well as internet info. However, I *did* find that there are significant differences among the different types of "fences" and collars out there. I also figured out that this isn’t a good alternative for us. Why? Because a big part of the success with the invisible fences is the training you do with your pet. I can’t see the little ones learning to respond to the warning beep – they’re smart, but incredibly curious as cats should be, so they would probably challenge the "fence" constantly and that would be pointless! So, thanks to everyone for your responses – I can certainly understand why most of us in this group don’t use these. Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all – > I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – > in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new > members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting > along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able > to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s easy > to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house > all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we keep > Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble > refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible fence > system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble > could come and go with impunity. > So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work > well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? > Thanks for the help, Laura > Before you buy.
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>Just in case some of you are interested: I did some research while >waiting for responses to my post yesterday (shown below) – I didn’t >find anything about the adverse effects reported by Megan or Indy > …
Here’s a copy of the original post : – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.dogs >I have had 2 indoor cats for the past 6 years and recently purchased a >great dane puppy. He was showing some tendency to dig in the back yard >and was worried that he would dig under the fence, so I contacted the >local Invisible Fence dealer and arranged to have the fence installed >and got the collars for him and the 2 cats figuring that I could let >them outside now and not worry about getting hit by a car, etc. >The Invisible Fence guy installed the system yesterday morning. He put >the collar on the dog and one of the cats and left at 3 pm. When I got >home at 6 pm, the cat was dead. He had managed to get the collar into >his mouth and choked to death on the shock unit. >I don’t have words to express how upset I am. I specifically told the >dealer that I had never been able to keep a collar on the cat before, >and i believed him when he said "We’ve never had a problem keeping the >collar on cats."
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Megan, I’m disturbed by what you have told me. First of all, I was under the impression that any electrical shock was of very low level and not anywhere near powerful enough to cause burns. Second of all, I thought that the collars only had batteries in them – nothing capable of doing something similar to what you have related here. I appreciate your input since it has given me information that I didn’t have before, but of course, that’s why I posted to this ng – for information! I like Phil’s suggestion – did you see it? Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I wouldn’t use the invisible fence on ANY animal. If involves shocking > the animal to keep it inbounds, and I would not for a moment consider > putting one of these types of collars on my cats as it is cruel and > these collars have also been known to fail. One example was a dog my mom > was petsitting. The collar malfunctioned and the shock went on > continuosly without stopping and burned a hole right into this poor > animals neck. This is not a chance I will take. > Megan > "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do > nothing." > -Edmund Burke > Learn The TRUTH About Declawing > http://www.stopdeclaw.com > Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574&Auth=false
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all – > I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – > in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new > members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting > along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able > to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s easy > to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house > all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we keep > Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble > refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible fence > system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble > could come and go with impunity. > So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work > well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? > Thanks for the help, Laura
How do feel about small shelves? Three of ‘em, located in various places; wide enough to hold a small cylindrical single kitty condo – 11" h x 13" diameter (Petsmart – $20). Cats like "up" so put them on a wall where the cats can get to them. Trouble will always have a place to "meditate" in private – the single condo entrance is small so only one cat can get in. Whichever ones the kittens use (if they’re old enough to climb that high) Trouble will always one for himself. Just the shelves alone may work (I just like spoiling my cats). I have a 15 y/o who likes to be alone sometimes — if one of my other cats is in "her" spot, she goes into a different one. It works. Good luck. Phil. — "Cat people are different, to the extent that they generally are not conformists. How could the be, with a cat running their lives?" –Louis Camuti Feline Healthcare: http://maxshouse.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Before you buy.
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I wouldn’t use the invisible fence on ANY animal. If involves shocking the animal to keep it inbounds, and I would not for a moment consider putting one of these types of collars on my cats as it is cruel and these collars have also been known to fail. One example was a dog my mom was petsitting. The collar malfunctioned and the shock went on continuosly without stopping and burned a hole right into this poor animals neck. This is not a chance I will take. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574&Auth=false
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Phil, I *love* shelves. We have several and we also have cat climbing towers on each floor of the house. Needless to say, these kitties love to climb and they enjoy all these places to go. Your suggestion about a single-occupant size condo on a shelf might do the trick though. Trouble has a shelf on the window in his special room, but it is open and he could be "attacked" by a couple playful kittens that didn’t want to respect his need to be alone. Although they will probably sort that out, I’d just like to provide a means to avoid it if possible. So, I will look into the condo idea. Did you see Megan’s post about the fences? I was surprised about the collar – my understanding is that the collar has a battery in it, not the electrical device itself, although it must have some sort of receiver. Have you heard of such things also? Thanks, Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all – > I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – > in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new > members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting > along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able > to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s > easy > to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house > all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we > keep > Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble > refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible > fence > system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble > could come and go with impunity. > So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work > well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? > Thanks for the help, Laura > How do feel about small shelves? Three of ‘em, located in various > places; wide enough to hold a small cylindrical single kitty condo – 11" > h x 13" diameter (Petsmart – $20). Cats like "up" so put them on a wall > where the cats can get to them. Trouble will always have a place to > "meditate" in private – the single condo entrance is small so only one > cat can get in. Whichever ones the kittens use (if they’re old enough > to climb that high) Trouble will always one for himself. Just the > shelves alone may work (I just like spoiling my cats). > I have a 15 y/o who likes to be alone sometimes — if one of my other > cats is in "her" spot, she goes into a different one. It works. > Good luck. > Phil. > — > "Cat people are different, to the extent that they > generally are not conformists. > How could the be, with a cat running their lives?" > –Louis Camuti > Feline Healthcare: http://maxshouse.com > Before you buy.
Before you buy.
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Hello all – I’m hoping someone here has had experience with the invisible fences – in the inside of the house! As some of you know, we have two new members of the family, Scout and Smokey. Trouble seems to be getting along with them fairly well these days, but he still likes to be able to go somewhere for privacy now and then. When we are home, that’s easy to accomplish. However, we want to let the kittens roam in the house all day now, even when we are away, and that is the problem. If we keep Trouble’s room closed, then he can’t get in it either. Since Trouble refuses to wear a collar, we are considering getting an invisible fence system that would keep the kittens out – they wear collars. Trouble could come and go with impunity. So, has anyone here tried the invisible fence routine? Does it work well for cats? Got another idea that we might be able to try instead? Thanks for the help, Laura Before you buy.
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