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Hello People, Let’s take a close look at professor dermer’s sig file. > I have read rpdb for about four years.

Yes, you’ve been one of the ringleaders here in defence of confronting and punishing dogs. You lost the title Master Of Deception, when you crossed the line from OPINION, to OUTRIGHT LYING. > Consequently, I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of > the rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much.

This is PRECIOUS… We’ll SEE EXACTLY what kind of INFORMATION you respect… They include: Amy Dahl, "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG, Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears" INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES. >  Diane Blackman,

She admits she doesn’t know enough about training to edit the VICIOUS and ERRONEOUS links on her web page. She’s taken the title "Master of Decpetion" by default. She comes close to lying, but hasn’t actually been DIRECT enought to get BAGGED, as you did, lying doc. She day boards her dogs because they are not trustworthy at home alone, and has had a dog for five years who’s relentlessly pulled on lead, DESPITE the neat little knitted cover-up for her pronged choke collar, so her PALS don’t see what she does to her dogs. > jdoee, J

Said to lyingdogDUMMY: "I was trying to learn something from your posts." "My on the job persona would be incompetent as a dog keeper." jdoee and Stacey Dog >.janet Boss,

See the thread "interested in hearing," where she overlooks TWO shock containment systems that made the dog aggressive. Her solution for all aggression problesm is to jerk and choke the dog on pronged choke collars and confine the dog to a crate when you are not able to sufficiently jerk and choke the dog…As an aside, our Gang Of Thugs consensus of opinion was "KILL THE DOG TO BE FAIR." > Susan Fraser,

She HURTS dogs to train them, and says it doesn’t HURT. > Avrama Gingold,

"Chin cuff" does not mean HIT the dog." She got her own front teeth knocked down her throat because of jerking her dog and making it look like an accident. The dog LEARNED to HURT her AND make it LOOK like an accident, as he was TAUGHT. That’s allelomimetic behavior AT IT’S BEST. > Lynn "I LOVE KOEHLER," Kosmakos,

"I LOVE KOEHLER." Says it all for me…, writes for a new foster care dog:  "For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and  pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.  When he barks, use the line for a correction." Says "I think an electric fence would be appropriate" for a new puppy owner. . > Bob Maida,

"Don’t let him do that," and "killfile Jerry Howe"… He’s NEVER given any training advice here, and even referred a LIVE CUSTOMER to ANOTHER TRAINER who’s got "more experience" with dog/dog aggression… boob’s only been in this RACKET for thirty years…he was AFRAID that carol would come back here and tell us HE said to jerk, choke, and HANG, her dog. He says he recommends his "students" read cindymooreon’s web site, and they LEARN a lot from her…(This bum won’t even talk training here. All he knows is "don’t let him do that" and killfile Jerry… And, he’s even offered to endorse my methods if I’d just lay off you bums, "I’m only trying to make a living," he says. HA! ) > Cindy Tittle Moore,

Ah yes. cindymooreon. She’s been BANNED from TWO obedience clubs because they can’t allow her to BRUTALIZE dogs in their classes. She believes ALL ADVANCED training requires compulson, i.e. HURT the dog… She’ll twist and pinch ears and toes as fast as lyingdoc dermer will twist and redefine words… On her FAQ’s page at k9web, she teaches us to shove our fingers down puppy’s throats to GENTLY CHOKE them out of mouthing, to scruff shake and chin cuff and knee dogs in the chest, to shove their head under water you’ve filled into a hole they’ve dug, to jerk and choke dogs on pronged choke collars, shock, alpha roll, and brutalize and dominate dogs in EVERY MANNER POSSIBLE, to MAKE them work, because it SATISFIES her EGO. She’s a classic sadist, eh doc? Huh? Eh? Huh? Huh? > Denna Pace,

"There’s much wisdom in koehler." (Her dogs run away from home.) Says it all for me. > John Richardson,

He’ll killl any pit bull who growls at a human. No second chances here. He’s a pit bull libertarian, and KILLS aggressive pit dogs to PROTECT the good reputation of the breed. > Ludwig Smith,

"Read koehler & cindymorons k-9 web faq’s page," ludwig smith. > Jane Webb,

She "trains the come command with positive reinforcement," and "PROOFS IT" with the shock collar. > and Terri Willis.

Yes, our psychoclown: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are  raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." "Housebreaking problems: Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog may require punishment. Make certain he is equipped with a collar and piece of line so he can’t avoid correction. When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to the place of his error, and hold his head close enough so that he associates his error with the punishment. Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper. It is important to your future relationship that you do not rush at him and start swinging before you get hold of him. When he’s been spanked, take him outside. Chances are, if you are careful in your feeding and close observation, you will not have to do much punishing. Be consistent in your handling. To have a pup almost house-broken and then force him to commit an error by not providing an opportunity to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will make your job easier. The same general techniques of housebreaking apply to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the house. For the grown dog who was reliable in the house and then backslides, the method of correction differs somewhat. In this group of "backsliders" we have the "revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed. The first step of correction is to confine the dog closely in a part of the house when you go away, so that he is constantly reminded of his obligation. The fact that he once was reliable in the house is proof that the dog knows right from wrong, and it leaves you no other course than to punish him sufficiently to convince him that the satisfaction of his wrongdoing is not worth the consequences. If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the light spanking that some owners seem to think is adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog, as well as the house, if you really pour it on him. > Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of >                http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

Next, maybe we’ll talk about "dr. p" of your university??? Your pal, Jerry. P.S. Is your dog still masturbating on the couch pillows? I do believe that’s an anxiety relief mechanism, a result of punishment and confinement. OR, it could be another fine example of allelomimetic behavior??? j;~} P.P.S. You endorse koehler, don’t you?  Here’s koehler’s advice for chewing stuff. It may work with cornbread: William Koehler "The Koehler Method of Guard Dog Training" page 185-186 "Select a food that you like exceptionally well, cram your mouth full of it, and hold it there for a while without chewing.  In a surprisingly short time, you will experience a gagging sensation and will want to empty your mouth-not by swallowing, either.  This gagging sensation is association with the taste causes a revulsion.  This same principle can be used to discourage your dog from destructive chewing. The specific technique is to select a piece of the material he has chewed (and you needn’t catch him in the act) and place it well back, crossways, in his mouth.  Use a strip of adhesive tape to wrap the muzzle securely in front of the chewed material, so that no amount of gagging and clawing can force it from his mouth. Perhaps … read more »

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> Hello People, > This is PRECIOUS..

                            http://www.i1.net/~dogman/jerry.html Before you buy.

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