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> one fellow recommended putting in duplex plugs instead of single > ones. I don’t know if I would like the look of that though. Would like > to get this sorted out before the drywall goes up. What are the > thoughts out there?
Run more lines than you thought you’d ever need. Two cat5 to each outlet (at least). Two coax (at least?). Use another Cat5 for telco – four pairs – 4 lines. Consider placing some general audio jacks in there too – to get the stereo playing in the bedroom, etc.
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Greg: Many others are suggesting a "punt and wait" approach in which you would pull only the cables you clearly have a screaming need for now, and pathway to allow you to pull other cable in the future. I think this is a mistake. Laying pathway to a few key areas is good future-proofing, but tough decisions should be made up front, and a best guess system design should be installed all at once, while walls are open and the pulling is good and easy. You will want more than a single CAT 5 to most rooms. One Coax is enough for most rooms, but more is needed in the media room. For more discussion on what cable to run where, see my company’s web site at http://www.home-cabling.com Regards, Bill Baxter Baxter & Tunar, Inc. http://www.home-cabling.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Renovating my basement/ (and slowly house). Putting in a couple of bedrooms > and an office. I have a single cat 5, cable and tel to each room and am > retrofitting the upstairs also. What would be a good install. I have cable > internet with 2 IP’s so I am going to have everything meet in the furnace > room and have the cable "modem" in there with the hub coming off of it. > (thinking about going with ADSL in the future). I can then have network > cable to two computers moved around the house as I like. What if I want to > connect the two computers (or more as the kids get older)? Will I need more > than the single cat 5 to each room? In the future is one coax sufficient to > each room? This Christmas Santa is bringing a Satellite dish. What would > be the optimum house wiring to incorporate my scenario? During the plug in > posts, one fellow recommended putting in duplex plugs instead of single > ones. I don’t know if I would like the look of that though. Would like to > get this sorted out before the drywall goes up. What are the thoughts out > there? > Thanks > Greg
Before you buy.
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[ ... ] > If you can run extra Cat 5 fine, but you have to remember where it goes etc. >Good advice, except for one thing: don’t "remember" – DOCUMENT. Make a >drawing showing where things are and where the wires go. You’ll be glad >of it in a few years when you want to change something, and can’t quite >"remember" what you did back in 2000.
Don’t just document, label all of it. Mark each wall plate with a unique number in a consistent manner (in sequence around the house, in sequence within a room, using the same rotation in each room). Use the maze method of sequencing; pick a direction and follow the wall all the way around, in and out of each room. This will make it easier to locate a wall plate that is behind furniture after a few years. > It’s also a good idea to take >pictures of the wiring, pre-drywall.
[ ... ] Take pictures of the plumbing, too; alarm wiring, electrical wiring, everything you can. Include a tape measure in the picture so you’ll be able to locate anything easily–as well as avoid anything easily when drilling a hole in the wall. Gary — "Our strategy is not to deliberately remove market share from IBM and Compaq, but that’s what we aim to do." David Booth, HP Australia National Marketing Manager, in ZDNet
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Still the extra cable can be handy. I used it while setting up our firewall, so I didn’t have to do the testing out in the garage where the hub is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > to put more then NIC in a room, you can use a second hub. this is what the > uplink port on the hub is for. My router in basement feeds two outlets on > the first floor, one in the basement and three upstairs. There is one CAT 5 > upstairs an splits with a hub, two computers and printer off the hub. If > you can run extra Cat 5 fine, but you have to remember where it goes etc. > For the computer connections your best solution is to buy a firewall > (either Linux box or stand-alone unit) and place that near the modem. > Connect the firewall and all your computers through a single hub. Then > they can communicate with each other and also access the web via a > single NIC and cable. However, it doesn’t hurt to have a second Cat 5 > at each location in case you want to feed one direct from the modem, > have two computers in one place, etc. (I’ve used the second Cat 5 to > feed MIDI signals from a computer to the piano in the living room.) > Having a second coax in some locations is handy should you ever want to > "originate" signals from there — eg, out of a VCR or maybe a video > editing computer — and feed them to TV sets elsewhere. > I’ve not messed with satellite stuff to know what would be best for > that. > Consider putting connections on opposite sides of a room when you might > have equipment on either side. Will save running cables along the wall > a long distance. > Think about putting computer connections in the living room, on the > kitchen counter, etc, as you can’t tell whether you may want them in the > future. Some even advocate a data outlet in the john. > > Renovating my basement/ (and slowly house). Putting in a couple of > bedrooms > > and an office. I have a single cat 5, cable and tel to each room and am > > retrofitting the upstairs also. What would be a good install. I have > cable > > internet with 2 IP’s so I am going to have everything meet in the > furnace > > room and have the cable "modem" in there with the hub coming off of it. > > (thinking about going with ADSL in the future). I can then have network > > cable to two computers moved around the house as I like. What if I want > to > > connect the two computers (or more as the kids get older)? Will I need > more > > than the single cat 5 to each room? In the future is one coax > sufficient to > > each room? This Christmas Santa is bringing a Satellite dish. What > would > > be the optimum house wiring to incorporate my scenario? During the plug > in > > posts, one fellow recommended putting in duplex plugs instead of single > > ones. I don’t know if I would like the look of that though. Would like > to > > get this sorted out before the drywall goes up. What are the thoughts > out > > there? > > Thanks > > Greg > Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com > With Servers In California, Texas And Virginia – The Worlds Uncensored News Source
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> to put more then NIC in a room, you can use a second hub. this is what > the uplink port on the hub is for.
[snip] > If you can run extra Cat 5 fine, but you have to remember where it goes etc.
Good advice, except for one thing: don’t "remember" – DOCUMENT. Make a drawing showing where things are and where the wires go. You’ll be glad of it in a few years when you want to change something, and can’t quite "remember" what you did back in 2000. It’s also a good idea to take pictures of the wiring, pre-drywall. > For the computer connections your best solution is to buy a firewall > (either Linux box or stand-alone unit) and place that near the modem. > Connect the firewall and all your computers through a single hub.
This is exactly what I’ve done, except it’s FreeBSD (http://www.freebsd.org) instead of linux. I’m running a DHCP server on one of my FreeBSD boxes, so anyone can plug in a laptop and have web access as soon as they can boot up. — Chris Hill Humans can reach me at: c h r i s – a t – m o n o c h r o m e – dot – o r g
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I’ll second all that Dan said, and add a few things: — Put in LOTS of phone jacks. Since phone wiring is normally done in a loop rather than a star, it is not difficult or expensive to put a jack on every wall. Most would call this overkill, but be generous. My house has around fifty phone jacks. We don’t put ac outlets only where we plan lamps; we put them every few feet. Why not phone jacks. — CAT 5: it is as easy to pull two as one, and the wire is cheap. Double up everywhere. — Coax: As Dan said, make every jack a double. I did this in my house, so that one set of jacks carries standard cable, while the other carries the output of the den VCR. If we are watching a movie, we can watch it from any room of the house. This could also be used to distribute your satellite signal. P.S. Use good quality cable. — Use a drop ceiling, not drywall, so you have future access. Sure it is less attractive, but from your question it is clear you are the kind of person who will be glad they did. — Plan on a chase space from basement to attic. This will make it much easier in the future to add more wiring.
: > : > Renovating my basement/ (and slowly house). Putting in a couple of bedrooms : > and an office. I have a single cat 5, cable and tel to each room and am : > retrofitting the upstairs also. What would be a good install. I have cable : > internet with 2 IP’s so I am going to have everything meet in the furnace : > room and have the cable "modem" in there with the hub coming off of it. : > (thinking about going with ADSL in the future). I can then have network : > cable to two computers moved around the house as I like. What if I want to : > connect the two computers (or more as the kids get older)? Will I need more : > than the single cat 5 to each room? In the future is one coax sufficient to : > each room? This Christmas Santa is bringing a Satellite dish. What would : > be the optimum house wiring to incorporate my scenario? During the plug in : > posts, one fellow recommended putting in duplex plugs instead of single : > ones. I don’t know if I would like the look of that though. Would like to : > get this sorted out before the drywall goes up. What are the thoughts out : > there? — Department of Physics http://www.wfu.edu/%7Ematthews Wake Forest University 336-758-5340 (Voice) Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 336-758-6142 (FAX) USA
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Renovating my basement/ (and slowly house). Putting in a couple of bedrooms and an office. I have a single cat 5, cable and tel to each room and am retrofitting the upstairs also. What would be a good install. I have cable internet with 2 IP’s so I am going to have everything meet in the furnace room and have the cable "modem" in there with the hub coming off of it. (thinking about going with ADSL in the future). I can then have network cable to two computers moved around the house as I like. What if I want to connect the two computers (or more as the kids get older)? Will I need more than the single cat 5 to each room? In the future is one coax sufficient to each room? This Christmas Santa is bringing a Satellite dish. What would be the optimum house wiring to incorporate my scenario? During the plug in posts, one fellow recommended putting in duplex plugs instead of single ones. I don’t know if I would like the look of that though. Would like to get this sorted out before the drywall goes up. What are the thoughts out there? Thanks Greg
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For the computer connections your best solution is to buy a firewall (either Linux box or stand-alone unit) and place that near the modem. Connect the firewall and all your computers through a single hub. Then they can communicate with each other and also access the web via a single NIC and cable. However, it doesn’t hurt to have a second Cat 5 at each location in case you want to feed one direct from the modem, have two computers in one place, etc. (I’ve used the second Cat 5 to feed MIDI signals from a computer to the piano in the living room.) Having a second coax in some locations is handy should you ever want to "originate" signals from there — eg, out of a VCR or maybe a video editing computer — and feed them to TV sets elsewhere. I’ve not messed with satellite stuff to know what would be best for that. Consider putting connections on opposite sides of a room when you might have equipment on either side. Will save running cables along the wall a long distance. Think about putting computer connections in the living room, on the kitchen counter, etc, as you can’t tell whether you may want them in the future. Some even advocate a data outlet in the john. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Renovating my basement/ (and slowly house). Putting in a couple of bedrooms > and an office. I have a single cat 5, cable and tel to each room and am > retrofitting the upstairs also. What would be a good install. I have cable > internet with 2 IP’s so I am going to have everything meet in the furnace > room and have the cable "modem" in there with the hub coming off of it. > (thinking about going with ADSL in the future). I can then have network > cable to two computers moved around the house as I like. What if I want to > connect the two computers (or more as the kids get older)? Will I need more > than the single cat 5 to each room? In the future is one coax sufficient to > each room? This Christmas Santa is bringing a Satellite dish. What would > be the optimum house wiring to incorporate my scenario? During the plug in > posts, one fellow recommended putting in duplex plugs instead of single > ones. I don’t know if I would like the look of that though. Would like to > get this sorted out before the drywall goes up. What are the thoughts out > there? > Thanks > Greg
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>What if I want to…
That’s the key: what if?!? You really don’t know what your needs will be in the future. Run 1 cat-5 cable to each room and you will probably need a second sooner than you think. Run 6 cat-5 cables and most will probably never be used. And what happens when cat-5 is replaced by something newer and better? Simple solution: run conduit to each room. Have one (preferably two or three) outlets that have a condut home-run to some central place and you will be able to put a new run or replace/upgrade an old one when you want. Yes, there’s still a small gamble that you just might not put a large enough conduit in, but I would suggest that 1/2" home run for a single outlet, 3/4" home run for two outlets, and 1" home run for a home run of three outlets will have little chance of having you run out of space in the future. — Calvin Henry-Cotnam | "Nothing quite livens up a suburban DAXaCK associates | neighbourhood like a driveway boasting Scarborough, Ontario, Canada | plastic milk crates loaded with crap." http://home.ica.net/~calvinhc | — John Oakley, radio talk-show host NOTE: if replying by email, remove the ‘*’ – it’s there to block junk email!
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I really like my UGATE-3000 firewall/NAT/hub… ttp://ugate.umax.com –Bill
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For the computer connections your best solution is to buy a firewall > (either Linux box or stand-alone unit) and place that near the modem. > Connect the firewall and all your computers through a single hub. Then > they can communicate with each other and also access the web via a > single NIC and cable. However, it doesn’t hurt to have a second Cat 5 > at each location in case you want to feed one direct from the modem, > have two computers in one place, etc. (I’ve used the second Cat 5 to > feed MIDI signals from a computer to the piano in the living room.) > Having a second coax in some locations is handy should you ever want to > "originate" signals from there — eg, out of a VCR or maybe a video > editing computer — and feed them to TV sets elsewhere. > I’ve not messed with satellite stuff to know what would be best for > that. > Consider putting connections on opposite sides of a room when you might > have equipment on either side. Will save running cables along the wall > a long distance. > Think about putting computer connections in the living room, on the > kitchen counter, etc, as you can’t tell whether you may want them in the > future. Some even advocate a data outlet in the john. > Renovating my basement/ (and slowly house). Putting in a couple of bedrooms > and an office. I have a single cat 5, cable and tel to each room and am > retrofitting the upstairs also. What would be a good install. I have cable > internet with 2 IP’s so I am going to have everything meet in the furnace > room and have the cable "modem" in there with the hub coming off of it. > (thinking about going with ADSL in the future). I can then have network > cable to two computers moved around the house as I like. What if I want to > connect the two computers (or more as the kids get older)? Will I need more > than the single cat 5 to each room? In the future is one coax sufficient to > each room? This Christmas Santa is bringing a Satellite dish. What would > be the optimum house wiring to incorporate my scenario? During the plug in > posts, one fellow recommended putting in duplex plugs instead of single > ones. I don’t know if I would like the look of that though. Would like to > get this sorted out before the drywall goes up. What are the thoughts out > there? > Thanks > Greg
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to put more then NIC in a room, you can use a second hub. this is what the uplink port on the hub is for. My router in basement feeds two outlets on the first floor, one in the basement and three upstairs. There is one CAT 5 upstairs an splits with a hub, two computers and printer off the hub. If you can run extra Cat 5 fine, but you have to remember where it goes etc.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For the computer connections your best solution is to buy a firewall > (either Linux box or stand-alone unit) and place that near the modem. > Connect the firewall and all your computers through a single hub. Then > they can communicate with each other and also access the web via a > single NIC and cable. However, it doesn’t hurt to have a second Cat 5 > at each location in case you want to feed one direct from the modem, > have two computers in one place, etc. (I’ve used the second Cat 5 to > feed MIDI signals from a computer to the piano in the living room.) > Having a second coax in some locations is handy should you ever want to > "originate" signals from there — eg, out of a VCR or maybe a video > editing computer — and feed them to TV sets elsewhere. > I’ve not messed with satellite stuff to know what would be best for > that. > Consider putting connections on opposite sides of a room when you might > have equipment on either side. Will save running cables along the wall > a long distance. > Think about putting computer connections in the living room, on the > kitchen counter, etc, as you can’t tell whether you may want them in the > future. Some even advocate a data outlet in the john. > Renovating my basement/ (and slowly house). Putting in a couple of bedrooms > and an office. I have a single cat 5, cable and tel to each room and am > retrofitting the upstairs also. What would be a good install. I have cable > internet with 2 IP’s so I am going to have everything meet in the furnace > room and have the cable "modem" in there with the hub coming off of it. > (thinking about going with ADSL in the future). I can then have network > cable to two computers moved around the house as I like. What if I want to > connect the two computers (or more as the kids get older)? Will I need more > than the single cat 5 to each room? In the future is one coax sufficient to > each room? This Christmas Santa is bringing a Satellite dish. What would > be the optimum house wiring to incorporate my scenario? During the plug in > posts, one fellow recommended putting in duplex plugs instead of single > ones. I don’t know if I would like the look of that though. Would like to > get this sorted out before the drywall goes up. What are the thoughts out > there? > Thanks > Greg
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