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The military doesn’t take into consideration any aspect of available housing when they present you with transfer orders.  Frequently the housing office there has a list of available rentals in the area. They will have the movers come and pack up your household goods and hold bagagge and ship it for you. They don’t particularly care how you get to your new duty station…so long as you do.  Travel payments are made after your arrival and money spent out of your pocket.  Payment is made based on mileage, time of day during travel, expenditures (within reason) during the travel period, etc.  Much of the expenses involved in moving (shipping pets ahead, cost of a cleaning team to pass the housing inspection team for those faint-of-heart persons, etc.) are used in your income tax return under moving expenses. Personally was transferred from Germany to California.  Government flew us to the States.  Then we flew to my home, rented a car and traveled out to the new duty station.  There was no available housing there either.  Luckily for me, I had a sort-of relative (widow of a man who had been the husband who had been previously married to a great-aunt of mine) who acted as Landlady for a rental 1br house.  So we were able to grab it before we even got there.  Put down a deposit 3 months before we even traveled!  It was 6 months before housing was available on the post. Totally understanding the frustration…none of your other bad day occurrences helped out an already aggravating situation! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >And I was feeling sorry for myself – before I read your post – what, the >military doesn’t move you – what type of deal is that.  Wyoming is a >beautiful state – those Tetons are something else.  Better stop in >Pendleton, Oregon on the way and get yourselves some blankets at their >second shop.  Sounds like you need that bottle of wine – and I like the >suggestion of sending all the children with your ex-in-laws….hope things >get better >Regards, Kathleen

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FE Warren has no housing for any family requiring more than 2 bedrooms, and won’t for 2 years (that’s how long the waiting list is). Because the housing is bad, and the base now requires 100% manning, there are also no homes to rent with more than 2 bedrooms in Cheyenne. Because my husband is a "cop" and on the hostage negotiating team, AND the network maintenance administrator, he has to be within 5 minutes of the base. We can stay in billeting (temporary hotel-type housing) for up to 15days BECAUSE of our pets (finding a rental property or buying a house is a little more time consuming when you have pets)but we can’t stay there WITH our pets. I’ve got a few real estate agents poking around for me, and I’ll be looking for stuff myself via the internet.     I’m also concerned because the Government doesn’t pay much, and because of this we have alot of debt. Our credit ain’t that great, and we probably can’t afford more than the $435 that they are going to give us to compensate for having to live off-base. $435 isn’t going to get us much in the way of a house!     We’ve lived here on Vandenberg for 4 years now, and we’re SPOILED!!! Housing here is absolutely beautiful! We are in a 4 bedroom house that’s only 3 years old. livingroom, diningroom, HUGE Kitchen, 2 baths, attached garage that we converted into the rec/computer/sewing room.  My garden is beautiful outside, we just got it established. I’m too spoiled to leave here without throwing a BIIIIG tantrum. again, I say AAAAARRRRRRGGGHHHHHH!!! Uv(who’s skin ain’t lookin that great lately, and feels a flare coming on) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The military doesn’t take into consideration any aspect of available housing >when they present you with transfer orders.  Frequently the housing office >there has a list of available rentals in the area.

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Alright… I’ll admit to you guys why I’m stressed about this in such an immature way. Last November we would have gotten out of the Military and went civilian. But I got sick. I couldn’t work. My husband was concerned about healthcare for me and the kids, and if I couldn’t work and was sick, things would have gotten real bad. So we decided to re-up for another 4 years to give us time to get out of debt, get me healthy, and keep the kids good healthcare,housing and education. It was a good decision at the time, but we thought we’d live in "Vandyland" forever, and now we have to go. I feel like it’s all my fault. Greg doesn’t make me feel this way, and he has no regrets, this is my own personal flogging. I’m sorry I’m whining and ranting like this about it, but I’ve got such guilt about putting my family thru this move when none of us want to go. I’ll deal with it, because I’m resourceful and strong, but I reserve the right to whine like a spoiled 4 year old. Uv(WWWWHHHHHAAAAAAA)

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Uv Thanks for the explanation, no I do not have to cuss ya. (BG) Regards Hildagh London, England (born and raised in Belfast, N.Ireland) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Only because saying"Butt Fuck Egypt" here amongst you fine edgumicatid folk > would be in extremely bad taste.. (B.F.E. is a faraway imaginary land. call > it butt or call it bull, it’s never the place you want to be at any time > real soon) > Uv (the one who NEVER cusses!) > } >BTW why is Cheyenne, Wyoming called Bull Frog Europe – just want to know >in case I have to get p**d off with you. (g) >Hoping tomorrow is a better day. >Regards >Hildagh >London, England (born and raised in Belfast, N.Ireland)

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aww, cuss me anyway, Hildagh. I’m starved for attention! Uv(on her way to B.F.E.) — Greg Myers "Whoever said ‘It’s a small world’ was never out to see it." Vandenberg AFB, CA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Uv >Thanks for the explanation, no I do not have to cuss ya. (BG) >Regards >Hildagh >London, England (born and raised in Belfast, N.Ireland) > Only because saying"Butt Fuck Egypt" here amongst you fine edgumicatid folk > would be in extremely bad taste.. (B.F.E. is a faraway imaginary land. call > it butt or call it bull, it’s never the place you want to be at any time > real soon) > Uv (the one who NEVER cusses!) > } > >BTW why is Cheyenne, Wyoming called Bull Frog Europe – just want to know > >in case I have to get p**d off with you. (g) > >Hoping tomorrow is a better day. > >Regards > >Hildagh > >London, England (born and raised in Belfast, N.Ireland)

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>for me, I had a sort-of relative (widow of a man who had been the husband >who had been previously married to a great-aunt of mine)

HUH?   LOL Char Le Fleur

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The day started off somewhat normal yesterday. I woke up. Then things really got bad! My husband (Air Force active duty) got orders to Permanently Change Station. From beautiful Central Coast California, to Cheyenne WYOMING!! I’ll survive, but I’ll be cold and lost for a while. We leave in September…hmmm only 3 months to pack. There is not enough housing in Wyoming for the military personnel they tell me, so we’re going to have to make a trip out there in advance to try to rent or buy a house at our own expense,.. What? did you think the GOVERNMENT was going to pay for us to move to the place they are forcing us to go to??? what are you, NUTS? They will move our stuff (13000 pounds of it) but not our bodies or our car. Can anyone say ROAD TRIP? ought to be fun with a 20 month old, a 13 year old, a 15 year old, 2 cats and a dog.. they recommend we "ditch" the animals….can you imagine??? Move your asses out to the middle of B.F.E.  (that’s Bull Frog Europe for those not in-the-know) and leave your beloved animals and half of your possessions behind.  Niiiiice… Then, I realize it’s June 29th. It would have been my Ex husband’s and my 15th anniversary. I made it 11 years with the Amway GOD, and I had to go. I was his second wife.   I was assessing my life with my husband now, and feeling content and happy that I had made the right decision, and "our" (my ex’s) song came on the radio. My 15 year old was nice enough to point it out for me. …..I pulled up in the driveway, and who is there to greet us, but my ex IN-LAWS!!!!! They came to see if they could have the grandkids for the week. Sure, no problem.. Have a great time!! "Oh, By the way" they say,… Your Ex’s THIRD wife of 8 months just left him." Greeeaaaat…. Well.. at least now there is enough to have an Ex-wives club!! Haha!! THEN! (nope, day’s not over yet) I get a call from my Rheumatologist. He’s left the practice he’s currently with to go and work at the hospital. Oh, and by the way, he’s no longer accepting CHAMPUS insurance, so you are going to have to find another doctor. Good Luck!   So, for a total of probably 2 visits, I’ll have to find another doc, just to go to FRICKING WYOMING and start all over breaking in new PCP’s and RD’s!!! THEN!! My son’s orthodontist calls and says "Your military insurance says I’m done working on your son’s teeth, so we need to make arrangements for you to pick up payments so we can finish properly… you owe me $800. THEN!!!!!Oh, no… not done YET there’s still 4 hours left in the business day) My Hot tub goes on the fritz, and Mr. Tubbyman says for $200 he can get me a new motor. when I’m down!) and I bounced a check. and the new kitty we have is fond of defecating on my carpet,and did so 3 times. It’s okay, all the kitty soup soaked into the fibers real well… you almost can’t tell, except for the STENCH! and the child I "volunteered" (thanks, hubby) to watch is fond of breaking my daughters toys and having tantrums, kicked me RIGHT in my only bad knee… I’ve got one good one, but I keep it in the Hope chest in hopes that it won’t go bad WHAAAAAAAAAA!! I quit What a bizarre day Uv(who’s had enough)

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Uv–Chocolate is the only solution. Lots and lots of chocolate.   And consider yourself hugged!!    Now go eat some chocolate. Char Le Fleur

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>WHAAAAAAAAAA!! >I quit >What a bizarre day

Sorry Uv, I had to laugh!!! <beg> Get rid of the kids…send em ALL with the ex-inlaws, even the one that is not yours! Pick up a bottle of wine, lock the door, take the phone off the hook and get pleasantly schnockered!!! Keep Smilin’ ~Krissy Akron, Ohio Visit my web pages at: http://arthritisnet.com http://arthritisnet.com/kids http://members.aol.com/KrissyJo/RA.html http://fadedjeans.com

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Gosh Uv….what a shitty day!!!!  I only hope today is better for you!!! Sure….let the ex-inlaws take the kids….for the next 3 months while you try to regain some sanity!!!   I can’t believe you have to hunt out your own place to stay like that…you would think they would have somewhere to put you BEFORE they make you move….what a crummy deal…. But one thing is for sure….Wyoming is a beautiful state….just a little different than what you are used to Keep us informed…..hate to say it, but it’s nice to know someone out there is having a more crummy day than I am!!!! {{{{UV}}}} Take care, Lori

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{{{{{Uv}}}}} Ok, have you had the chocolate yet? Good, let’s talk. First, to get to Wyoming, you have to drive through Utah (unless you want to drive all the way up to Idaho – don’t do that).  So, that means that Diana, Chrisandra, and I will be expecting a chance to meet you and your family as you drive through.  I’ll even go so far as to offer you my house for a rest stop, overnight if needed. Next, there are very few rheumatologists in Wyoming.  Most people needing specialty care go to either Denver or Salt Lake City.  If you choose SLC, we can give you several recommendations.  But, you need to make the appointments now.  The average wait to get a new patient appointment is more than three months. Finally, the one redeeming aspect of moving every few years is that it makes you get rid of all the junk you’ve accumulated as a family.  And, you’ll no longer have to watch the bratty kid.  So, have fun throwing things out! Walt —    http://www.itsnet.com/~wdhanks/WaltHP.html Health is: "An integrated method of functioning that balances the physical, emotional, social, psychological, and spiritual dimensions of life while seeking to maximize individual potential in each, and not the absence of disease or infirmity."                                       Walter A. Hanks, C.H.E.S.

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And I was feeling sorry for myself – before I read your post – what, the military doesn’t move you – what type of deal is that.  Wyoming is a beautiful state – those Tetons are something else.  Better stop in Pendleton, Oregon on the way and get yourselves some blankets at their second shop.  Sounds like you need that bottle of wine – and I like the suggestion of sending all the children with your ex-in-laws….hope things get better Regards, Kathleen

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all i have to say is. . . WHAT DO THEY MEAN, GET RID OF THE ANIMALS?? hope tomorrow is a better day for you, diane

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WHAAAAAAAAAA!! I quit What a bizarre day Uv(who’s had enough) You made it longer than I would have.  I think I would have pulled the covers over my head by noon. UGH what an awful day. {{{{{Uv}}}}} Patty

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>WHAAAAAAAAAA!!

real soon.  Also, things can’t really get much worse, right? Best, Larry

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Uv-You would be silly to not take Walt up on his offer.   I know, I sure would.    He is very near the top of the list of people I want to meet face to face from the ng. Char Le Fleur

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(DCHAM) writes: >WHAT DO THEY MEAN, GET RID OF THE ANIMALS??

The kids??? <bg> Best, Larry

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yea, mee too.. I’m hoping to meet SOMEone on the road. We’ll be driving for 3 days, and Salt Lake City is our last overnite stop, so someone’s gotta tell me where the coffee shop is!!! Walt, are you good with directions? Bring ‘em on! Uv(ready to face another day…as long as it’s not like yesterday) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Uv-You would be silly to not take Walt up on his offer.   I know, I sure would. >   He is very near the top of the list of people I want to meet face to face >from the ng. >Char Le Fleur

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>I quit >What a bizarre day >Uv(who’s had enough)

Go immediately to bed, pull the covers over your head, do not answer the door or the phone.  Eat chocolate. {{{{{Uv}}}}} Sarah L "The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they