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Sent that to a few folks. harv – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Bar Conversation > A man walks into a bar. He sees a smartly dressed good-looking woman.   He > says to her,  "Hi there, how is it going?" > After having a few drinks the woman turns to him face to face and says:  "I > screw anybody, anytime, anywhere, any place, your place, my place." > The man says, "No kidding I’m a lawyer too.  What firm are you with?" > Senior Citizens > Morris, an 82 year-old man, went to the Doctor to get a physical. A few days > later the doctor saw Morris walking down the street with a gorgeous young > lady on his arm. > A couple of days later the doctor saw him and said, "You’re really doing > great, aren’t you?" >  Morris replied, "Just doing what you said, Doctor: ‘Get a hot mamma and be > cheerful.’" >  The Doctor said, "I didn’t say that. I said you’ve got a heart murmur. Be > careful." > Three elderly men out walking. > First one says. "Windy isn’t it? " > Second one says, "No its Thursday"!! > Third one says. "So am I. Lets go get a beer". > A man was telling his neighbor, "I just bought a new hearing aid. It cost me > four thousand dollars, but it’s state of the art. It’s perfect." > "Really," answered the neighbor. "What kind is it?" > "Twelve thirty." > An elderly gent was invited to his old friends’ home for dinner one evening. > He was impressed by the way his buddy preceded every request to his wife > with endearing terms– Honey, My Love, Darling, Sweetheart, Pumpkin etc. The > couple had been married almost 60 years and, clearly, they were still very > much in love. While the wife was in the kitchen, the man leaned over and > said to his host, "I think it’s wonderful that, after all these years, you > still call your wife those loving pet names. " The old man hung his head ". > "I have to tell you the truth," he said, "I forgot her name about 10 years > ago." > Be Well, > Larry

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Larry! that last one got me lol…cleaning off monitor..donnah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Bar Conversation > A man walks into a bar. He sees a smartly dressed good-looking woman.   He > says to her,  "Hi there, how is it going?" > After having a few drinks the woman turns to him face to face and says:  "I > screw anybody, anytime, anywhere, any place, your place, my place." > The man says, "No kidding I’m a lawyer too.  What firm are you with?" > Senior Citizens > Morris, an 82 year-old man, went to the Doctor to get a physical. A few days > later the doctor saw Morris walking down the street with a gorgeous young > lady on his arm. > A couple of days later the doctor saw him and said, "You’re really doing > great, aren’t you?" >  Morris replied, "Just doing what you said, Doctor: ‘Get a hot mamma and be > cheerful.’" >  The Doctor said, "I didn’t say that. I said you’ve got a heart murmur. Be > careful." > Three elderly men out walking. > First one says. "Windy isn’t it? " > Second one says, "No its Thursday"!! > Third one says. "So am I. Lets go get a beer". > A man was telling his neighbor, "I just bought a new hearing aid. It cost me > four thousand dollars, but it’s state of the art. It’s perfect." > "Really," answered the neighbor. "What kind is it?" > "Twelve thirty." > An elderly gent was invited to his old friends’ home for dinner one evening. > He was impressed by the way his buddy preceded every request to his wife > with endearing terms– Honey, My Love, Darling, Sweetheart, Pumpkin etc. The > couple had been married almost 60 years and, clearly, they were still very > much in love. While the wife was in the kitchen, the man leaned over and > said to his host, "I think it’s wonderful that, after all these years, you > still call your wife those loving pet names. " The old man hung his head ". > "I have to tell you the truth," he said, "I forgot her name about 10 years > ago." > Be Well, > Larry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> An elderly gent was invited to his old friends’ home for dinner one evening. > He was impressed by the way his buddy preceded every request to his wife > with endearing terms– Honey, My Love, Darling, Sweetheart, Pumpkin etc. The > couple had been married almost 60 years and, clearly, they were still very > much in love. While the wife was in the kitchen, the man leaned over and > said to his host, "I think it’s wonderful that, after all these years, you > still call your wife those loving pet names. " The old man hung his head ". > "I have to tell you the truth," he said, "I forgot her name about 10 years > ago." > Be Well, > Larry

Honest to God.  When my Mom and Dad moved into the assisted living facility, everyone thought they were such a sweet and loving couple.  Always walked around holding hands. I grew up in their house.  Not all that sweet and loving.  Mom was holding his hand so he wouldn’t wander off. We always thought Mom would be a handful when she got older. Brother, sister and I really dreaded it.  She is just fine. Can’t remember what she is upset about long enough for it to be a problem for anyone.  I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but she is quite frankly much happier at this stage in her life than I ever thought she would be. Jo

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Man I missed the jokes too. MORE PLEASE janers

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Bar Conversation A man walks into a bar. He sees a smartly dressed good-looking woman.   He says to her,  "Hi there, how is it going?" After having a few drinks the woman turns to him face to face and says:  "I screw anybody, anytime, anywhere, any place, your place, my place." The man says, "No kidding I’m a lawyer too.  What firm are you with?" Senior Citizens Morris, an 82 year-old man, went to the Doctor to get a physical. A few days later the doctor saw Morris walking down the street with a gorgeous young lady on his arm. A couple of days later the doctor saw him and said, "You’re really doing great, aren’t you?"  Morris replied, "Just doing what you said, Doctor: ‘Get a hot mamma and be cheerful.’"  The Doctor said, "I didn’t say that. I said you’ve got a heart murmur. Be careful." Three elderly men out walking. First one says. "Windy isn’t it? " Second one says, "No its Thursday"!! Third one says. "So am I. Lets go get a beer". A man was telling his neighbor, "I just bought a new hearing aid. It cost me four thousand dollars, but it’s state of the art. It’s perfect." "Really," answered the neighbor. "What kind is it?" "Twelve thirty." An elderly gent was invited to his old friends’ home for dinner one evening. He was impressed by the way his buddy preceded every request to his wife with endearing terms– Honey, My Love, Darling, Sweetheart, Pumpkin etc. The couple had been married almost 60 years and, clearly, they were still very much in love. While the wife was in the kitchen, the man leaned over and said to his host, "I think it’s wonderful that, after all these years, you still call your wife those loving pet names. " The old man hung his head ". "I have to tell you the truth," he said, "I forgot her name about 10 years ago." Be Well, Larry

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Oh Oh, Did they use anyone elses parts on him? He’s come back as Henny Larryman!! Read these fast with a drum/cymbal splat between them! Liked them all. GaryZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Bar Conversation > A man walks into a bar. He sees a smartly dressed good-looking woman.   He > says to her,  "Hi there, how is it going?" > After having a few drinks the woman turns to him face to face and says: "I > screw anybody, anytime, anywhere, any place, your place, my place." > The man says, "No kidding I’m a lawyer too.  What firm are you with?" > Senior Citizens > Morris, an 82 year-old man, went to the Doctor to get a physical. A few days > later the doctor saw Morris walking down the street with a gorgeous young > lady on his arm. > A couple of days later the doctor saw him and said, "You’re really doing > great, aren’t you?" >  Morris replied, "Just doing what you said, Doctor: ‘Get a hot mamma and be > cheerful.’" >  The Doctor said, "I didn’t say that. I said you’ve got a heart murmur. Be > careful." > Three elderly men out walking. > First one says. "Windy isn’t it? " > Second one says, "No its Thursday"!! > Third one says. "So am I. Lets go get a beer". > A man was telling his neighbor, "I just bought a new hearing aid. It cost me > four thousand dollars, but it’s state of the art. It’s perfect." > "Really," answered the neighbor. "What kind is it?" > "Twelve thirty." > An elderly gent was invited to his old friends’ home for dinner one evening. > He was impressed by the way his buddy preceded every request to his wife > with endearing terms– Honey, My Love, Darling, Sweetheart, Pumpkin etc. The > couple had been married almost 60 years and, clearly, they were still very > much in love. While the wife was in the kitchen, the man leaned over and > said to his host, "I think it’s wonderful that, after all these years, you > still call your wife those loving pet names. " The old man hung his head ". > "I have to tell you the truth," he said, "I forgot her name about 10 years > ago." > Be Well, > Larry

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>Me too! > Me three! Mine is hanging on my front door, welcoming everyone with holiday > cheer! Thanks char!!!!

Susan and I make five.  Thank you Mama, actually more like kid sister, Char. It hangs on the wall between the two doors on our screen porch.  Looks very nice and cheery there, too.  Thanks, again.  Also for we can do with our tree when we decide to replace it. Love, Larry and Susan

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>Susan and I make five.  Thank you Mama, actually more like kid sister, Char

Oh, I am so glad you got it, alright.  And really glad you like it.  This whole mailing was your fault you know. I was going to just send one to you, but decided to send out several of them instead, as I had the materials readily available.  The cost of shipping them shocked me.  But considering how much the wreaths didnt cost to make, it was OK. And I think it has given me the inspiration to do something similar each year and send to a different few each year. And it really is a wonderful way to recycle an old Christmas tree that would otherwise just end up in the garbage. And they were all sent with love. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Char, that was a very kind and generous thing you did.  Just goes to show how sweet you are. Gwen

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>Char, that was a very kind and generous thing you did.  Just goes to show how >sweet you are. >Gwen

Twerent nothin.  Honestly.  Had I realized you wont be decorating this year, I would have made you one.  But the surprise would be gone now.  Would you like to have one anyway?  Wouldnt be a big deal at all.  Honest it wouldnt. If you want one, just send me your snail mail address via email, and I will get one out to you the first of the week. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Char, thank you for the offer, but I’ll just wait and let you surprise me one of these years.  It would be lonely by itself! Since I’ve been one handed I haven’t wanted to shop for Christmas or decorate or most anything else.  Between my hand and the bursitis in my hip I just don’t get out too much to do anything right now.  I go with the children to the grandchildrens’ concerts, etc., and to church, but that’s about it. As I said before, you’re very sweet. Gwen

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Yes, they were. Duckie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And they were all sent with love. > Char > "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. >  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Me too!  Char, we were going to go to costco to buy a wreath today.  I didn’t get through working until late, was starved and we went home to eat with the intention of going to get the wreath after dinner.  There was this box with this amazing wreath from someone I love and that was magical.  It is going to be a great Christmas season.  My mailman, however, wants to know where my cards are! Thanks again and again! M

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Char, honey, I don’t think there’s a soul in this group who’d EVER feel badly because you were able to do something nice for a few people. Every year I have known you, I’ve seen you do something for someone or a couple of people. The year I was SOOOO strapped financially, you sent me some lights and fabrics you had around. It brightened my place up SOOO much!  I can’t imagine ANYONE being sad that they weren’t this year’s recipient… afterall, they may just be next year’s. Aim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Caroline-I dont want anyone to feel hurt because they didnt get one.  I only >sent out 7 of them. Maybe next year, I can do a few more things. >Shipping costs are AWFUL.  That more than anything else, limits how much of >this kind of thing I can do each year. >But really glad you like it. And glad it finally got there.  I sent it on the >28th of Nov.  Was beginning to think it was lost. lol >I sent one to Larry and Susan, too.  Originally, they were going to be the only >ones, but like Paul says, I am just a softie. >I am really glad it gave you some Christmas cheer. >Love, >Char and Myron

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Char, you’re right about the shipping.  I feel like a real witch grandmother but it pains me so to send something.  Costs twice as much as the gift.  So I do what I swore I would never do–money or giftcards. The last big teddybear bankrupted us!  Nell

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>Me too!

Me three! Mine is hanging on my front door, welcoming everyone with holiday cheer! Thanks char!!!! ~KJ Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential. Tina’s Togs http://tinastogs.com Quality Plus Size and Vintage Fashions Coming soon to a puter near you!

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>Thanks char!!!!

You are welcome, sweetie.  Really glad you like it. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Me, too – me, too!!  LOL I got home from work and there it was! Thank you, Char! I had a little package ready for the postman tomorrow already, but you got here first. I put the lights around the front windows a few days ago and today (snowed in – hooray, finally snow!!) I will put up our tree and do the rest of the house.  Do a little, rest a little, do a little, rest a little.  I love this time of year! DeeTee DeeTee and Bob Taggart http://home.earthlink.net/~bdtaggart/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Got a surprise today at the front door. John brought it in and I took it > upstairs to the kitchen table. By the time I had it opened, Paku was in > the box as well and giving everything his sniffing approval. And yes we > did get pictures. > Thank you Mama Char. It is now hanging on the back porch where I can see > it from my seat on the couch. It is the first decorations that are up so > I am finally in the season. You are the best. > Duckie [who loves her recycled wreath]

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Got a surprise today at the front door. John brought it in and I took it upstairs to the kitchen table. By the time I had it opened, Paku was in the box as well and giving everything his sniffing approval. And yes we did get pictures. Thank you Mama Char. It is now hanging on the back porch where I can see it from my seat on the couch. It is the first decorations that are up so I am finally in the season. You are the best. Duckie [who loves her recycled wreath]

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Caroline-I dont want anyone to feel hurt because they didnt get one.  I only sent out 7 of them. Maybe next year, I can do a few more things. Shipping costs are AWFUL.  That more than anything else, limits how much of this kind of thing I can do each year. But really glad you like it. And glad it finally got there.  I sent it on the 28th of Nov.  Was beginning to think it was lost. lol I sent one to Larry and Susan, too.  Originally, they were going to be the only ones, but like Paul says, I am just a softie. I am really glad it gave you some Christmas cheer. Love, Char and Myron

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This experience started 2 years ago and ended about 6 months ago ….. Summary:  Our recommendation is not to buy furniture from Ethan Allen because of poor quality control and a terrible service department.  Read the details below if you’re interested. Our Ethan Allen Experience turned bad within a year of ownership.  This is purely the result of a poor quality control and a terrible service department.  You may think that you’ll never have to use their service department but read this story and then decide. The sales person was great.  She helped my wife put together a great set of rooms and accessories. We spent around $50,000 for a Family Room, Dining Room, Kitchen and Master Bed Room.   Below is a list of the problems I can remember as each piece was delivered.  I would like you all to know that I did not report every problem because I wanted them to fix the major problems first and did not want them to think we were problem customers.  In hindsight, I should have refused delivery on all the problems I discovered but I did not discover them all at delivery.  When I did discover problems at delivery, I was told not to worry; the service department will be out to fix it.  I went along with this because the process of selecting furniture and then waiting for delivery took so long, we did not want to wait any longer without furniture. Note:  You will notice that we have sold some of this furniture (even some items that had no problem).  This is because we moved and did not find a fit for some of it in the new house. Sofa foam:  The sofa had three back cushions.  The one in the middle was nice and firm; the two on the ends were so soft that you could feel the hard frame behind your back. We did not report this beyond the saleswoman who told us it felt fine when she was at our house.  We planed to report it after the more serious issues were repaired.  We have since sold the sofa on E*Bay (it was great looking). Entertainment Wall Unit:  The main section had a broken leveler. Result: Ethan Allen Replaced it (we had to remove everything as they needed to take it apart to get under the bottom section Entertainment Wall Unit:  The side section had a drawer that stuck and was very difficult to open and close.   Result: The first attempted repair made the drawer crooked and you could see a gap.  The second attempt tried shaving the underside of the drawer but it was never the same.  A comparison to the drawer on the other side unit showed the bad drawer was never finished properly and should have been replaced.  We have since sold it on E*Bay (at a good discount and no waiting). King size Bed:  The laminated wood on the side rail was pealing off in one place.  It could be masked by a dust ruffle. Result:  Did not report it.  Then we sold on E*Bay. ****Kitchen Chairs:  One leg broke off. **** Result:  An Ethan Allen service rep came over to inspect it and said it was a bad piece of wood that should never have been used for a chair leg.  He showed us a discoloration in the grain where the leg broke that indicated to him a weakness in the wood.  He had them order a new chair.  Months went by with Ethan Allen telling us they have no set delivery date.  One day my wife pushed them for a date when they will know the delivery date and when that date came and went, she called the service department management were she was told that we are not getting a new chair.  They said their records show our chair was damaged from an impact.  (see below).  We have since written twice to the CEO and the VP of their service department.  We have included pictures with a detailed description. The CEO referred it to the VP of service.  His reply was that they have to trust their service reps. We have been going in circles on this and have no alternative now except small claims court, which is a pain, but I feel we need to do it. Kitchen Chairs:  Splits in the wood at the top of the backrest in 3 of the 4 chairs.  This is not a structural problem. Result:  We forgot to have the service rep look at this when he was at our house for the broken leg problem above so we called them back.  This time it was a different service rep than the guy who looked at the broken leg.  By this time, we moved the chair with the broken leg into our garage. This service rep never saw that chair.  His assessment of the splits in the wood was that it was due to impact.  (I think it’s a design flaw if it happened in 3 of the 4 chairs).  Anyway, when he wrote his report, it somehow caused Ethan Allen to decide not to replace the chair with the broken leg. This has been extremely frustrating and that is why I am making this recommendation to anyone out there considering a purchase.  The problems we had, even without the chair issue, would be enough to offer this recommendation, but the chair issue is the one that got me to write it.  I think you will all be better off with this information and can perhaps make a better choice than we did.  (It also makes me feel better knowing that others will hopefully avoid dealing with them). I priced a nice looking EA build look nice dining table set for 5073 (addison chairs, henley dining table) Compared to all the other furniture store dining tables sets and they average around 2000-3500 the EA set really looks much better built, much more elegant than other designs I have seen), I was amazed at some of the junky furniture selling retail for 2300-3500 bucks (stuff made in china, poor build,gaps etc.., tacky ornate designs) Now I know people say if you want real quality hire a woodsmith and custom build the stuff but I cannot afford that level of expense to have someone build me a set of heirloom furniture. so For a mass produced product for the working person EA seems pretty reasonable since I don’t plan on purchasing dining room sets every 5 years and spending the 5073 plus the value added service of having a Decorator actually look at the house and provide drawings,ideas etc.. I feel this is a pretty good compromise between (a. hand crafted very expensive or b. cheap oriental furniture) Am I correct in this judgment or is EA really as overpriced for what you get and EA Quality can be had for a substantial decrease (i.e. same buildquality for 40% etc off??) anyhow so far my thoughts are pros 1. 1570 dollar difference between EA and other mass produced stuff (major noticeable difference in quality,elegance) 2. Value added service of a Decorator visiting your home drawing up ideas etc.. (time is money, Im no decorator so I can see a good value in this) 3. Lifetime warranty 4. buy once, vs replace or repair cheaper build furniture. cons 1. 1570 more than others.

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> This experience started 2 years ago and ended about 6 months ago ….. > Summary:  Our recommendation is not to buy furniture from Ethan Allen

because of poor quality > control and a terrible service department.  Read the details below if

you’re interested. My experience mirrors yours. I agree completely – avoid Ethan Allen. You’ll find that both the quality and customer service is terrible. Under no circumstances should you believe for an instant that the furniture delivered to your home will be the same quality as what you see in the store. –Neil

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>My experience mirrors yours. I agree completely – avoid Ethan >Allen. You’ll find that both the quality and customer service is >terrible. >Under no circumstances should you believe for an instant that >the furniture delivered to your home will be the same quality >as what you see in the store.

So buy the furniture off the floor when they sell it (once per year or so). Dimitri

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 > The sales person was great.  She helped my wife put together a great set of rooms and accessories. > We spent around $50,000 for a Family Room, Dining Room, Kitchen and Master

Bed Room. Snip some stuff here… > Note:  You will notice that we have sold some of this furniture (even some items that had no > problem).  This is because we moved and did not find a fit for some of it

in the new house. Geesh.  It sounds to me like you have more moneey than common sense.  $50K for 4 rooms worth of furniture? Then you got rid of it all less than a year later because it didn’t ‘fit’ in your new home?  I’d guess that 9 out of 10 people on this newsgroup (and of everyone I know) could nicely furnish their entire house for a fraction of that amount of money.  And I’d also guess that  _most_ people still keep their furniture when they move into a new home even if it ‘doesn’t fit’ quite right, or at least find a different place to use it.

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If the "more money then common sense" remark relates to the fact that we chose to spend most of it at Ethan Allen, then I agree 100%. It was more like $40k and it was from a home equity loan.  Things add up quickly.  We lived in that house for ten years with what we called temporary furniture (from Ikea) but we just kept delaying the furnishing.  Anyway, I brought up the amount we spent to emphasize that they did not even take into consideration that we were such good costumers. The house we bought was a model that came furnished.  We kept about 5 of the Ethan Allen pieces in the new house and sold some of the similar pieces that the house came with.  Over all we did not loose that much and people were happy to get the Ethan Allen pieces at a discount and not have to wait the x months for delivery. The kitchen chairs are still with us and are worse everyday.  The table itself has not held up well with use over the last 3 years. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The sales person was great.  She helped my wife put together a great set >of rooms and accessories. > We spent around $50,000 for a Family Room, Dining Room, Kitchen and Master >Bed Room. >Snip some stuff here… > Note:  You will notice that we have sold some of this furniture (even some >items that had no > problem).  This is because we moved and did not find a fit for some of it >in the new house. >Geesh.  It sounds to me like you have more moneey than common sense.  $50K >for 4 rooms worth of furniture? Then you got rid of it all less than a year >later because it didn’t ‘fit’ in your new home?  I’d guess that 9 out of 10 >people on this newsgroup (and of everyone I know) could nicely furnish their >entire house for a fraction of that amount of money.  And I’d also guess >that  _most_ people still keep their furniture when they move into a new >home even if it ‘doesn’t fit’ quite right, or at least find a different >place to use it.

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I priced a nice looking EA build look nice dining table set for 5073 (addison chairs, henley dining table) Compared to all the other furniture store dining tables sets and they average around 2000-3500 the EA set really looks much better built, much more elegant than other designs I have seen), I was amazed at some of the junky furniture selling retail for 2300-3500 bucks (stuff made in china, poor build,gaps etc.., tacky ornate designs) Now I know people say if you want real quality hire a woodsmith and custom build the stuff but I cannot afford that level of expense to have someone build me a set of heirloom furniture. so For a mass produced product for the working person EA seems pretty reasonable since I don’t plan on purchasing dining room sets every 5 years and spending the 5073 plus the value added service of having a Decorator actually look at the house and provide drawings,ideas etc.. I feel this is a pretty good compromise between (a. hand crafted very expensive or b. cheap oriental furniture) Am I correct in this judgment or is EA really as overpriced for what you get and EA Quality can be had for a substantial decrease (i.e. same buildquality for 40% etc off??) anyhow so far my thoughts are pros 1. 1570 dollar difference between EA and other mass produced stuff (major noticeable difference in quality,elegance) 2. Value added service of a Decorator visiting your home drawing up ideas etc.. (time is money, Im no decorator so I can see a good value in this) 3. Lifetime warranty 4. buy once, vs replace or repair cheaper build furniture. cons 1. 1570 more than others.

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Unfortunately I live in S.Florida not much woodworking down here. The cost to look around which would involve, Airline tickets,hotel and Freight costs would pretty much mitigate any savings. Unfortunately most of the furniture sold is the tacky art-deco or overly ornate chinese/artdeco style.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->bucks (stuff made in china, poor build,gaps etc.., tacky ornate designs) Now >I know people say if you want real quality hire a woodsmith and custom build >the stuff but I cannot afford that level of expense to have someone build me >a set of heirloom furniture. > There is an in between. There is some very nice semi production stuff from > smaller shops for instance http://www.asleepinthewoods.com/ furniture can be > purchased direct or form places like Scott Jordan furniture > http://www.scottjordan.com/ > If you look around you’ll probably find places. In downtown Westerville Ohio > there is a store that sells furniture built by Amish craftsman I think I paid > something like $600 for my corner cubard there and EA was way more and not > nearly as nice a piece. Don’t know where you are but I know a couple of trades > people, resorers and cabinet makers that are taking jobs now that they wouldn’t > look at before. Think about taking advantage of the dip in the economy and try > talking to someone that does do cutome furniture about your needs. If they have > already done something similar and have the planes and jigs already might be > less than you think. > jw

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>Thank you. I will go out and get some carpet runner this weekend.

Let me know how it works! Good luck. Phil.

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Thank you. I will go out and get some carpet runner this weekend. Mary and the athletic Bruno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to > go up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as > can be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know > whether or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. > I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the > counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that > was for keeping them from scratching the furniture. > I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other > cats never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to > the tips I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. > Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. > Try placing plastic carpet runner – with the nubs facing up – on the > counter.  You can easily cut the plastic into any desired shape.  Runner is > avaliable at most hardware stores and Home Depots for a few dollars a > running yard. > If the nubs are too pointy or sharp, drag the runner across concrete to dull > the nubs a  bit.  It shouldn’t take more than a few jumps onto to nubs for > your cat to lose interest in the counter.  Then you can remove the runner. > The added benefit of using carpet runner, is that your cat will experience > the same unpleasant effect from jumping on the counter with or without your > presence.  Training can be difficult if the behavior is allowed to continue > in your absence, but not in your presence. > Good luck. > Phil.

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> I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to go > up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as can > be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know whether > or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. > I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the > counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that was > for keeping them from scratching the furniture.

I’m quite sure it would work for the counter too. Couple of sticky jumps and i bet he stays off. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other cats > never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to the tips > I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. > Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. > Mary

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I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to go up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as can be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know whether or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that was for keeping them from scratching the furniture. I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other cats never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to the tips I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. Try placing plastic carpet runner – with the nubs facing up – on the counter.  You can easily cut the plastic into any desired shape.  Runner is avaliable at most hardware stores and Home Depots for a few dollars a running yard. If the nubs are too pointy or sharp, drag the runner across concrete to dull the nubs a  bit.  It shouldn’t take more than a few jumps onto to nubs for your cat to lose interest in the counter.  Then you can remove the runner. The added benefit of using carpet runner, is that your cat will experience the same unpleasant effect from jumping on the counter with or without your presence.  Training can be difficult if the behavior is allowed to continue in your absence, but not in your presence. Good luck. Phil.

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I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to go up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as can be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know whether or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that was for keeping them from scratching the furniture. I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other cats never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to the tips I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. Mary

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>Thank you. I will go out and get some carpet runner this weekend.

Let me know how it works! Good luck. Phil.

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Thank you. I will go out and get some carpet runner this weekend. Mary and the athletic Bruno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to > go up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as > can be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know > whether or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. > I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the > counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that > was for keeping them from scratching the furniture. > I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other > cats never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to > the tips I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. > Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. > Try placing plastic carpet runner – with the nubs facing up – on the > counter.  You can easily cut the plastic into any desired shape.  Runner is > avaliable at most hardware stores and Home Depots for a few dollars a > running yard. > If the nubs are too pointy or sharp, drag the runner across concrete to dull > the nubs a  bit.  It shouldn’t take more than a few jumps onto to nubs for > your cat to lose interest in the counter.  Then you can remove the runner. > The added benefit of using carpet runner, is that your cat will experience > the same unpleasant effect from jumping on the counter with or without your > presence.  Training can be difficult if the behavior is allowed to continue > in your absence, but not in your presence. > Good luck. > Phil.

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> I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to go > up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as can > be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know whether > or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. > I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the > counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that was > for keeping them from scratching the furniture.

I’m quite sure it would work for the counter too. Couple of sticky jumps and i bet he stays off. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other cats > never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to the tips > I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. > Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. > Mary

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I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to go up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as can be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know whether or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that was for keeping them from scratching the furniture. I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other cats never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to the tips I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. Try placing plastic carpet runner – with the nubs facing up – on the counter.  You can easily cut the plastic into any desired shape.  Runner is avaliable at most hardware stores and Home Depots for a few dollars a running yard. If the nubs are too pointy or sharp, drag the runner across concrete to dull the nubs a  bit.  It shouldn’t take more than a few jumps onto to nubs for your cat to lose interest in the counter.  Then you can remove the runner. The added benefit of using carpet runner, is that your cat will experience the same unpleasant effect from jumping on the counter with or without your presence.  Training can be difficult if the behavior is allowed to continue in your absence, but not in your presence. Good luck. Phil.

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I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to go up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as can be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know whether or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that was for keeping them from scratching the furniture. I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other cats never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to the tips I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. Mary

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>Thank you. I will go out and get some carpet runner this weekend.

Let me know how it works! Good luck. Phil.

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Thank you. I will go out and get some carpet runner this weekend. Mary and the athletic Bruno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to > go up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as > can be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know > whether or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. > I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the > counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that > was for keeping them from scratching the furniture. > I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other > cats never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to > the tips I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. > Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. > Try placing plastic carpet runner – with the nubs facing up – on the > counter.  You can easily cut the plastic into any desired shape.  Runner is > avaliable at most hardware stores and Home Depots for a few dollars a > running yard. > If the nubs are too pointy or sharp, drag the runner across concrete to dull > the nubs a  bit.  It shouldn’t take more than a few jumps onto to nubs for > your cat to lose interest in the counter.  Then you can remove the runner. > The added benefit of using carpet runner, is that your cat will experience > the same unpleasant effect from jumping on the counter with or without your > presence.  Training can be difficult if the behavior is allowed to continue > in your absence, but not in your presence. > Good luck. > Phil.

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> I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to go > up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as can > be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know whether > or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. > I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the > counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that was > for keeping them from scratching the furniture.

I’m quite sure it would work for the counter too. Couple of sticky jumps and i bet he stays off. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other cats > never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to the tips > I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. > Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. > Mary

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I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to go up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as can be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know whether or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that was for keeping them from scratching the furniture. I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other cats never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to the tips I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. Try placing plastic carpet runner – with the nubs facing up – on the counter.  You can easily cut the plastic into any desired shape.  Runner is avaliable at most hardware stores and Home Depots for a few dollars a running yard. If the nubs are too pointy or sharp, drag the runner across concrete to dull the nubs a  bit.  It shouldn’t take more than a few jumps onto to nubs for your cat to lose interest in the counter.  Then you can remove the runner. The added benefit of using carpet runner, is that your cat will experience the same unpleasant effect from jumping on the counter with or without your presence.  Training can be difficult if the behavior is allowed to continue in your absence, but not in your presence. Good luck. Phil.

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I have a new cat (Bruno) who does not understand that he is not supposed to go up on the counters in the kitchen. He is 2 years old and just as sweet as can be. He lived in the shelter for several months and I don’t even know whether or not he has ever lived in a home for any length of time. I vaguely recall that cats hate aluminum foil and I should put that on the counter. The other thing I recall is double stick tape, but I thought that was for keeping them from scratching the furniture. I haven’t caught him in the act. I just hear him jump down.  And my other cats never went on the counters so I never really paid close attention to the tips I read in Cat Fancy and elsewhere to solve this problem. Any ideas anyone can share will be most appreciated. Mary

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>Richard, >It would be much easier to finish reading your posts if you posted like an >adult and quit with the name calling.  It would also give your posts the >creditability which they might deserve. >Something to think about……

Nobody cares what you think. You haven’t even read what I wrote below. I called no one any name. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> >First of all, you will need to talk to your wife.  You need a unified > >front. > >> >You need to be together and in support of each other on this. > >> >Second of all, your wife and her daughter need to know that having >kids > >help > >> >out in the house prepares them for being on their own. > >> No, the ONLY way to do THAT is to LET THEM *BE* on their own IN YOUR > >HOUSE! > >> *THAT* means relinquishing ALL control of them and treating them as if > >they > >> were your adult housemate! Kids are already fully cognizant of the need >to > >> clean up after themselves, so you aren’t TEACHING them ANYTHING. The > >> problem is NOT knowledge of method and manner, the problem is >POLITICAL! > >I didn’t say anything about control.  He said that his wife picks up >after > >the stepdaughter, etc. > Yes, but it’s what else he NEGLECTED to tell you. People *ALWAYS* HIDE >their > responsibility in things in reporting their case to strangers! The >daughter’s > lack of interest in whether her parents have a hard time of it arises from > RESENTMENT of SOMETHING, and generally, in this culture, you can count on > that being some OTHER parental high-handedness! A child who has their > freedom and is not abused will automatically feel a desire to help out the > people she loves that is UNIMPEDED by any resentment of them, which form >of > resentment is, of course, a passive aggression. People who don’t like you > are pleased when bad things happen to you, or when they manage to leave >you > a bad situatiom in a way that is UNTRUE of the people who LIKE you!! > >The mother needs to realize, as well as the child, > >that this is not helping the stepdaughter at all. > This has nothing really TO DO with the stepdaughter at all! > >If anything, this is allowing the child to use the mother as a crutch. > Nobody pushes everything off on someone else unless they DON’T LIKE THEM! > IF they don’t LIKE them, it is ALWAYS for a justifiable REASON! > Do YOU intentionally dump crap on your friend who has helped you a great > deal and to whom you feel great affection and gratitude? Well, neither do > teens, dummy! If she take pains to BE that friend to her daughter, then >her > daughter would never be able to STAND to treat her that way! FIRST AND > FOREMOST among those things to do is to treat your child as an EQUAL in >ALL > THINGS, and not to inflict any attempts at control upon her. If you treat > her kindly SHE WILL TREAT YOU KINDLY – WONDER OF WONDERS! It never ceases > to amaze me how many parents imagine they should GET to treat their kid > like shit in the name of "raising" them to be thus and such, altogether > ignoring their child’s rights and the fact that they have their own mind > and psychology that is totally opposed to such oppression, and THEN they > imagine the child should somehow RESPECT, LIKE, and even THANK them for >it, > like some witch hunter from the middle ages expecting the person they just > burned at the stake or drowned to leave them a TIP for saving their >"soul"!! > >If parents are always > >cleaning up after kids, meddling in the kids’ social problems (several >posts > >here are parents asking if they should call other parents if their kids > >don’t get along or don’t want to play together), etc.  They are not >allowing > >their children to figure things out on their own. > Left to their own devices kids tell you to leave them the fuck alone and > that THEY want to do it, IF they feel they are ALLOWED to say that, that > phrase is virtually burned into their psychology, "Mother, I’d rather do >it > MYSELF!" from about age 4! If the child even PERMITS their interference > it’s because they have been threatened and coerced into it! > >Their children need to learn how to be functioning, independent adults. > Kids AUTOMATICALLY learn that ALL BY THEMSELVES WITHOUT BEING COERCED! > >If kids come to you with a > >problem, you can offer suggestions but let the kids work it out (unless > >there is violence, then an adult would need to intervene).  You can talk >to > >your kids about drugs, alcohol, unprotected sex/abstinance (discussing >both > >options), etc.  The problem is not to sound "preachy".  To really >converse. > And THAT means totally accepting and acceding to THEIR decisions about >such > things for themselves, because if you coerce them AT ALL they will simply > shut down and not talk to you or tell you ANYTHING! > >> >(I know that you > >> >realize this) It’s the process of enabling her daughter to be an > >> >independent, responsible adult.  Isn’t that part of our "jobs" as > >parents, > >> >to prepare our children for the adult world? > >> Except that ISN’T how you DO that! In saying that ridiculous shit all > >> you’re doing is reciting an authoritarian formula that is the exact >kind > >> of piece of shit pronouncement that people throw vegetables or feces at > >> you for! > >> >We do that through education, > >> >not just in a school setting but in everyday activities.  We teach our > >kids > >> >how to swim, ride a bike, cross the street, make a phone call, etc > >> No we don’t. THEY LEARN these things THEMSELVES practicing ON THEIR OWN > >> after seeing or reading a brief over-simplistic description of it! > >Duh, the "after seeing or reading" is the "teaching" part. > No, when adults say teach they mean coerce or intimidate. They are NOT > merely talking about leaving instruction books laying around, or asking >the > kid if they want to learn this or that. > >> We don’t teach them to walk and talk either. THEY LEARN IT THEMSELVES! > >We are teaching them through our actions, our talking to them, reading to > >them, etc. > Yes, they imitate our actions to a degree to learn motor skills and sight > skills, but not our motives, and to acquire a good set of motives they >must > have their own way about how they go about deciding what they will do >next. > If they are expected to feel kindly toward others it needs to be genuine, > and that ONLY happens if they see others want to be kind to them, and that > means to grant them their autonomy! > >> >We > >> >should also be teaching them how to take care of a house…how to wash > >> >clothes, clean dishes, fold clothes, make a bed, operate a vacuum > >cleaner, > >> >etc. > >> They should definitely be educated in the use of the implements and > >> equipment, but that is NOT what people complain about regarding their >kids > >> not doing housework!!! > >I was making the point that the mother needs to realize that she is not > >doing her daughter any good by doing everything for her. Her daughter >needs > >to learn these life skills. > Do you honestly think that any kid doesn’t KNOW how to do the dishes, wash > clothes and linens, and sweep and vacuum? I don’t mean to put TOO fine a > point on saying that housewives are unskilled workers, but that’s SO, and > it’s because this stuff is NOT rocket-science! This stuff total takes all > of an hour to learn, and that’s mostly knowing where things are, and that > could be learned whenever needed in that same amount of time. Gee, even > rich people can learn it when they lose all their money, and they’re >REALLY > stupid and inept!! It’s only in comedies that rich people actually NEED > someone to make them a toasted cheese sandwich or wash a dish! > >Then not to criticize the job a kid does. To show them that you >appreciate > >them helping out. > Maybe a hug is appropriate the first time your seven year old does his own > laundry and hangs it in his closet, but the appreciation of the everyday > task is a bit overdone. There is a BIG difference between you acting the > taskmaster when kids don’t NEED or REQUIRE one, and simply congratulating > them on a milestone. If you are the one they REPORT to, that’s dumb, they > need to be doing it for their OWN satisfaction, but if you’re just the one > they are showing off for, that’s fine. > >I think sometimes people > >may emphasize the negative and sometimes forget to emphasize the >positive. > >I fall into that also, I have to make sure that I show/tell my kids how >much > >I appreciate their help. > It’s okay for an adult to be the organizer of group activity by asking for > help with group needs, in every group there will be someone like that, as > long as

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Richard, It would be much easier to finish reading your posts if you posted like an adult and quit with the name calling.  It would also give your posts the creditability which they might deserve. Something to think about…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >First of all, you will need to talk to your wife.  You need a unified >front. >> >You need to be together and in support of each other on this. >> >Second of all, your wife and her daughter need to know that having kids >help >> >out in the house prepares them for being on their own. >> No, the ONLY way to do THAT is to LET THEM *BE* on their own IN YOUR >HOUSE! >> *THAT* means relinquishing ALL control of them and treating them as if >they >> were your adult housemate! Kids are already fully cognizant of the need to >> clean up after themselves, so you aren’t TEACHING them ANYTHING. The >> problem is NOT knowledge of method and manner, the problem is POLITICAL! >I didn’t say anything about control.  He said that his wife picks up after >the stepdaughter, etc. > Yes, but it’s what else he NEGLECTED to tell you. People *ALWAYS* HIDE their > responsibility in things in reporting their case to strangers! The daughter’s > lack of interest in whether her parents have a hard time of it arises from > RESENTMENT of SOMETHING, and generally, in this culture, you can count on > that being some OTHER parental high-handedness! A child who has their > freedom and is not abused will automatically feel a desire to help out the > people she loves that is UNIMPEDED by any resentment of them, which form of > resentment is, of course, a passive aggression. People who don’t like you > are pleased when bad things happen to you, or when they manage to leave you > a bad situatiom in a way that is UNTRUE of the people who LIKE you!! >The mother needs to realize, as well as the child, >that this is not helping the stepdaughter at all. > This has nothing really TO DO with the stepdaughter at all! >If anything, this is allowing the child to use the mother as a crutch. > Nobody pushes everything off on someone else unless they DON’T LIKE THEM! > IF they don’t LIKE them, it is ALWAYS for a justifiable REASON! > Do YOU intentionally dump crap on your friend who has helped you a great > deal and to whom you feel great affection and gratitude? Well, neither do > teens, dummy! If she take pains to BE that friend to her daughter, then her > daughter would never be able to STAND to treat her that way! FIRST AND > FOREMOST among those things to do is to treat your child as an EQUAL in ALL > THINGS, and not to inflict any attempts at control upon her. If you treat > her kindly SHE WILL TREAT YOU KINDLY – WONDER OF WONDERS! It never ceases > to amaze me how many parents imagine they should GET to treat their kid > like shit in the name of "raising" them to be thus and such, altogether > ignoring their child’s rights and the fact that they have their own mind > and psychology that is totally opposed to such oppression, and THEN they > imagine the child should somehow RESPECT, LIKE, and even THANK them for it, > like some witch hunter from the middle ages expecting the person they just > burned at the stake or drowned to leave them a TIP for saving their "soul"!! >If parents are always >cleaning up after kids, meddling in the kids’ social problems (several posts >here are parents asking if they should call other parents if their kids >don’t get along or don’t want to play together), etc.  They are not allowing >their children to figure things out on their own. > Left to their own devices kids tell you to leave them the fuck alone and > that THEY want to do it, IF they feel they are ALLOWED to say that, that > phrase is virtually burned into their psychology, "Mother, I’d rather do it > MYSELF!" from about age 4! If the child even PERMITS their interference > it’s because they have been threatened and coerced into it! >Their children need to learn how to be functioning, independent adults. > Kids AUTOMATICALLY learn that ALL BY THEMSELVES WITHOUT BEING COERCED! >If kids come to you with a >problem, you can offer suggestions but let the kids work it out (unless >there is violence, then an adult would need to intervene).  You can talk to >your kids about drugs, alcohol, unprotected sex/abstinance (discussing both >options), etc.  The problem is not to sound "preachy".  To really converse. > And THAT means totally accepting and acceding to THEIR decisions about such > things for themselves, because if you coerce them AT ALL they will simply > shut down and not talk to you or tell you ANYTHING! >> >(I know that you >> >realize this) It’s the process of enabling her daughter to be an >> >independent, responsible adult.  Isn’t that part of our "jobs" as >parents, >> >to prepare our children for the adult world? >> Except that ISN’T how you DO that! In saying that ridiculous shit all >> you’re doing is reciting an authoritarian formula that is the exact kind >> of piece of shit pronouncement that people throw vegetables or feces at >> you for! >> >We do that through education, >> >not just in a school setting but in everyday activities.  We teach our >kids >> >how to swim, ride a bike, cross the street, make a phone call, etc >> No we don’t. THEY LEARN these things THEMSELVES practicing ON THEIR OWN >> after seeing or reading a brief over-simplistic description of it! >Duh, the "after seeing or reading" is the "teaching" part. > No, when adults say teach they mean coerce or intimidate. They are NOT > merely talking about leaving instruction books laying around, or asking the > kid if they want to learn this or that. >> We don’t teach them to walk and talk either. THEY LEARN IT THEMSELVES! >We are teaching them through our actions, our talking to them, reading to >them, etc. > Yes, they imitate our actions to a degree to learn motor skills and sight > skills, but not our motives, and to acquire a good set of motives they must > have their own way about how they go about deciding what they will do next. > If they are expected to feel kindly toward others it needs to be genuine, > and that ONLY happens if they see others want to be kind to them, and that > means to grant them their autonomy! >> >We >> >should also be teaching them how to take care of a house…how to wash >> >clothes, clean dishes, fold clothes, make a bed, operate a vacuum >cleaner, >> >etc. >> They should definitely be educated in the use of the implements and >> equipment, but that is NOT what people complain about regarding their kids >> not doing housework!!! >I was making the point that the mother needs to realize that she is not >doing her daughter any good by doing everything for her. Her daughter needs >to learn these life skills. > Do you honestly think that any kid doesn’t KNOW how to do the dishes, wash > clothes and linens, and sweep and vacuum? I don’t mean to put TOO fine a > point on saying that housewives are unskilled workers, but that’s SO, and > it’s because this stuff is NOT rocket-science! This stuff total takes all > of an hour to learn, and that’s mostly knowing where things are, and that > could be learned whenever needed in that same amount of time. Gee, even > rich people can learn it when they lose all their money, and they’re REALLY > stupid and inept!! It’s only in comedies that rich people actually NEED > someone to make them a toasted cheese sandwich or wash a dish! >Then not to criticize the job a kid does. To show them that you appreciate >them helping out. > Maybe a hug is appropriate the first time your seven year old does his own > laundry and hangs it in his closet, but the appreciation of the everyday > task is a bit overdone. There is a BIG difference between you acting the > taskmaster when kids don’t NEED or REQUIRE one, and simply congratulating > them on a milestone. If you are the one they REPORT to, that’s dumb, they > need to be doing it for their OWN satisfaction, but if you’re just the one > they are showing off for, that’s fine. >I think sometimes people >may emphasize the negative and sometimes forget to emphasize the positive. >I fall into that also, I have to make sure that I show/tell my kids how much >I appreciate their help. > It’s okay for an adult to be the organizer of group activity by asking for > help with group needs, in every group there will be someone like that, as > long as you don’t try to coerce people. That never works! >> >By teaching kids organization (ex: putting their things away) we are >> >teaching them that they will always know where their things are and won’t >be >> >running around looking for their shoes, coat, keys, etc. >> THEY KNOW THAT ALREADY, you dumb bitch! Geez! >Not really.  Some may be naturally organizers and others aren’t.  It is >something

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Hi all, I have been married for 4 years and now have a stepdaughter who is 13 yrs old. She is a good girl, good manners, does well in school but in my eyes is lazy. (notice I say in MY eyes). She pretty much refuses to help out around the house. Mom picks up after her and rarely enforces housekeeping rules with her. I think mom thinks she has had a rough time in her past with her real dad and deserves a break. I say this is no way to learn responsibility for a future when it will be needed. Dishes will pile up at a pretty quick pace considering that "there’s nothing to eat!". (Fully stocked food with goodies any kid would beg for) I end up doing the dishes in the kitchen then go into the living room to find three more dirty glasses, plates and an assortment of crap that should have been disposed of or at least put into the sink. This really agrravates me! Small things like helping bag the mowed grass is excused away because she does not like ‘bugs and snakes’. Last night was the straw that broke the camels back and the reason I am here looking for your advise.  Mom has been ill and I have been doing what is needed with little to no help from daughter. Last night around 09:00 PM, I came home to a dark, quiet home to find a bigger pile of dishes that was there earlier (me, hoping something would make them disappear) and turned on the radio for a bit of companionship while I washed the dishes. Daughter comes out of bedroom asking if I could please be quiet as she is trying to sleep. I was in complete awe and said "how about if you do the dishes and I will sleep?" In utter disbelief all I got in reply was "never mind" and she went back to bed. If this was a male room mate of my age (37), I would have split his skull with a bat,that’s how pissed I am. What are some suggestions I can put into use to turn this kid into an active family member and an active part of society? Is she too young to help me out? Does she deserve to be a kid and just play? I have tried the allowance thing in the past, but she would rather be broke than move if it is not fun. There are no disabilities involved. On a side note, two years ago I threw all of our dishes, knifes, forks, spoons, bowls away with the exception of a four place setting. I ended up buying new sets soon after. (really). Thanks for your help, Thomas.

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Has anyone used these?? The house I just bought only has one telephone jack in the kitchen and I didn’t want to go through the hassle of wiring jacks to the bedroom. I was wondering if anyone used these before and how was the performance of it??

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>Has anyone used these?? The house I just bought only has one telephone jack >in the kitchen and I didn’t want to go through the hassle of wiring jacks to >the bedroom. I was wondering if anyone used these before and how was the >performance of it??

Caveat: I have never used them myself. I have heard that they work well for voice.  Not well for modems.   Is it a single story with basement/crawl space?  If so, adding jacks is trivial. — Rich Greenberg   Work:  Rich.Greenberg atsign worldspan.com   +1 770-563-6656 N6LRT   Marietta, GA, USA   Play: richgr atsign panix.com     +1 770-321-6507 Eastern time zone.   I speak for myself & my dogs only.     VM’er since CP-67 Canines:Val(Chinook,CGC,TT), Red & Shasta(Husky,(RIP))        Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. www.panix.com/~richgr/   Asst Owner:Sibernet-L

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Used the one from RCA. It’s in adjacent rooms and works well.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Has anyone used these?? The house I just bought only has one telephone jack > in the kitchen and I didn’t want to go through the hassle of wiring jacks to > the bedroom. I was wondering if anyone used these before and how was the > performance of it??

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It is on the top floor and there is no crawl space. I know I can easily run wires up and over stuff to get it in the bedroom but I just didn’t want to go that route. Just looking for alternates. It is going to be mainly for voice. Might have to run a line for my computer into the living room because I’m using DSL.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Has anyone used these?? The house I just bought only has one telephone jack >in the kitchen and I didn’t want to go through the hassle of wiring jacks to >the bedroom. I was wondering if anyone used these before and how was the >performance of it?? > Caveat: I have never used them myself. > I have heard that they work well for voice.  Not well for modems. > Is it a single story with basement/crawl space?  If so, adding jacks is > trivial. > — > Rich Greenberg   Work:  Rich.Greenberg atsign worldspan.com   +1 770-563-6656 > N6LRT   Marietta, GA, USA   Play: richgr atsign panix.com     +1 770-321-6507 > Eastern time zone.   I speak for myself & my dogs only.     VM’er since CP-67 > Canines:Val(Chinook,CGC,TT), Red & Shasta(Husky,(RIP)) Owner:Chinook-L > Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. www.panix.com/~richgr/   Asst

Owner:Sibernet-L

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They work well with modems, just make sure the packaging says so(the cost is a little more). Home Depot seems to have the best prices. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Has anyone used these?? The house I just bought only has one telephone jack >in the kitchen and I didn’t want to go through the hassle of wiring jacks to >the bedroom. I was wondering if anyone used these before and how was the >performance of it?? > Caveat: I have never used them myself. > I have heard that they work well for voice.  Not well for modems.   > Is it a single story with basement/crawl space?  If so, adding jacks is > trivial.

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> >Has anyone used these?? The house I just bought only has one telephone jack >in the kitchen and I didn’t want to go through the hassle of wiring jacks to >the bedroom. I was wondering if anyone used these before and how was the >performance of it?? > Caveat: I have never used them myself. > I have heard that they work well for voice.  Not well for modems.  

I’ve used one a couple of years ago and had the same experience: good enough for voice, works for modems (28.8 kbps) only about 10% of the time. I returned my unit  since I had bought it mainly for modem use.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Has anyone used these?? The house I just bought only has one telephone jack > >in the kitchen and I didn’t want to go through the hassle of wiring jacks to > >the bedroom. I was wondering if anyone used these before and how was the > >performance of it?? > Caveat: I have never used them myself. > I have heard that they work well for voice.  Not well for modems. > I’ve used one a couple of years ago and had the same experience: good > enough for voice, works for modems (28.8 kbps) only about 10% of the > time. I returned my unit  since I had bought it mainly for modem use.

It works well only for voice.  I have tried multiple brands from both Home Depot and Lowe’s.  For modem, I had disastrous results.  With 56K modem, I never got faster than 28K connection over wireless whereas up to 50K with wired.  I returned my wireless units. Is your house carpeted?  I ended up using splitter and ran telephone wires to other rooms under the carpet.  Works the best for me, not to mention saving money and DIY satisfaction! Vijay

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FDR wrote > "news.verizon.net" wrote > Has anyone used [wireless telephone jacks]?? > Used the one from RCA. It’s in adjacent rooms and works well.

Are these actual through-the-air radio units, or do they carry signals on the 120 volt ac wiring?

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> FDR wrote > "news.verizon.net" wrote > > Has anyone used [wireless telephone jacks]?? > Used the one from RCA. It’s in adjacent rooms and works well. > Are these actual through-the-air radio units, or do they carry signals > on the 120 volt ac wiring?

The one that I tried (RCA) was AC plug-in unit that carries the signal to the other rooms with wireless unit.  If you use it ONLY for telephone (voice) purpose, it works fine.  My biggest problem was to get it to use for internet (data) over modem purposes.  I could never get speed higher than 20 KBps and I returned the unit. Vijay

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be > >able to get to the food. > Not if you do it under supervision.  Either put him in a closed room > while he eats,  or shut other cats in another room.  Then  pick up the > residue when he’s finished.  I grant this is a PITA, but it can be > discontinued when he’s old enough to hold his own. >What you’re describing is not free-feeding.  Free-feeding would mean >that kitten would be able to eat whenever he wants, not just at >mealtimes.  I am saying that I don’t think free-feeding will be >possible with my food-addicted adult cats around.  I am hoping it’s OK >for him to eat only at designated times. > >I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the > >larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then > >fall in. > Doubt it, but if you’re going to give him a smaller bowl anyway, the > question is moot. >Not really moot b/c the other kitties will still have the big bowl.  I >don’t want my kitten drowning in the big water bowl.  If this is a >silly concern, then I’ll try to stop worrying.

Sorry, I misunderstood; was visualizing different areas. Still don’t think kitten would be in real danger.  Could splash/upset his way out if he did fall in.  Paws crossed… > >  The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl > > in 2 days. > I have to keep reminding myself to *change the water daily*!! >I have no choice– at the end of the day the bowl is mostly empty and >has to be cleaned and refilled.  They drink a ton. >Ray

– Polar

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> >I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure >how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat >the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? > Feed new kitten in a separate area, under supervision.  I know, it’s > time-consuming, but given the circumstances…

But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be able to get to the food.  I don’t think the idea of cutting a whole in a box that only the kitten can fit through will work, b/c my cats are insanely persistent when it comes to food, and they’re strong and smart too.  They’d get to it for sure.  Will he be OK if he can only eat twice a day? > And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this >dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl? > Sounds a little overwhelming.  How can the poor little thing reach it? > Just give his water in a very small kitchen bowl; at least that’s what > I do.  KISS.

I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then fall in.  The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl in 2 days. Ray

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>> >I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure > >how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat > >the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? > Feed new kitten in a separate area, under supervision.  I know, it’s > time-consuming, but given the circumstances… >But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be >able to get to the food.

Not if you do it under supervision.  Either put him in a closed room while he eats,  or shut other cats in another room.  Then  pick up the residue when he’s finished.  I grant this is a PITA, but it can be discontinued when he’s old enough to hold his own.  I don’t think the idea of cutting a hole in >a box that only the kitten can fit through will work, b/c my cats are >insanely persistent when it comes to food, and they’re strong and >smart too.  They’d get to it for sure.  Will he be OK if he can only >eat twice a day? > > And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this > >dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl? > Sounds a little overwhelming.  How can the poor little thing reach it? > Just give his water in a very small kitchen bowl; at least that’s what > I do.  KISS. >I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the >larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then >fall in.

Doubt it, but if you’re going to give him a smaller bowl anyway, the question is moot.   The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl >in 2 days.

I have to keep reminding myself to *change the water daily*!! — Polar

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> >But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be >able to get to the food. > Not if you do it under supervision.  Either put him in a closed room > while he eats,  or shut other cats in another room.  Then  pick up the > residue when he’s finished.  I grant this is a PITA, but it can be > discontinued when he’s old enough to hold his own.

What you’re describing is not free-feeding.  Free-feeding would mean that kitten would be able to eat whenever he wants, not just at mealtimes.  I am saying that I don’t think free-feeding will be possible with my food-addicted adult cats around.  I am hoping it’s OK for him to eat only at designated times. >I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the >larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then >fall in. > Doubt it, but if you’re going to give him a smaller bowl anyway, the > question is moot.

Not really moot b/c the other kitties will still have the big bowl.  I don’t want my kitten drowning in the big water bowl.  If this is a silly concern, then I’ll try to stop worrying. >  The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl > in 2 days. > I have to keep reminding myself to *change the water daily*!!

I have no choice– at the end of the day the bowl is mostly empty and has to be cleaned and refilled.  They drink a ton. Ray

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> I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure > how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat > the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this?

Use a milk crate or similar container with a hole large enough that only the kittens can fit through. Phil.

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> > I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure > how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat > the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? > Use a milk crate or similar container with a hole large enough that only the > kittens can fit through.

My fifteen pound cat squeezes his head and one shoulder into a half- empty kleenex box; some chubba wubbas are determined. Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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>Hi, more questions about integrating my new kitten into my household. >I have 4 adult cats right now.  Two eat the Science Diet food for cats >with urinary tract problems.  The other two eat NutroMax Lite.  They >get wet food 2x/week.  They do no free feed b/c they will finish >everything in the bowls and get fat; hence they are all on a diet and >only eat at mealtimes, which seems to keep their weight mostly under >control.

I honor your approach!  A close friend of mine allowed her cats to get FAT because she took an anthropomorphic approach; was too indulgent; now reaping consequences. >I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure >how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat >the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this?

Feed new kitten in a separate area, under supervision.  I know, it’s time-consuming, but given the circumstances… >Also, what is the best kitten food?  Some people say they should eat >canned food until 12 weeks; others say dry food is OK for an 8 week >old.  I definitely can’t feed him the other cats’ food b/c it’s all >diet stuff and he has different nutritional needs. What brands are >best?

With my new little boy, I am feeding premium food — at the moment, Wellness – for the first time (the others all thrived on supermarket whatever).  Vet told me to keep him on canned kitten food for a YEAR!! What do Hon. Members think?? He gets both canned kitten food and kitten dry food. The dry food is very important for dental health. >Will this little guy be able to climb into a regular sized litter pan >or do I need to make special arrangements for him until he’s big >enough?

He can manage a regular-sized litter pan — I assume he’s at least 8 weeks old?  Or…? Put in on newspaper; they do tend to scatter. Hint:  I bought the crystals this time, and find they are wonderful about eliminating odor.  May seem a little more expensive, but a panful can last quite a while.  You remove the doo-doo with a special tool that lets the crystals fall through.  The crystals suck out  the moisture, so you basically have to remove only little hard bit. .  And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this >dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl?

Sounds a little overwhelming.  How can the poor little thing reach it? Just give his water in a very small kitchen bowl; at least that’s what I do.  KISS. >I’m bringing the little bugger home on Tuesday… should be fun! >Though as you can see, I’m getting a little neurotic worrying about >him in advance.

Ah, new fatherhood — the stresses, the joys, the dilemmas… We’ve all been there.  Courage! — Polar

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Hi, more questions about integrating my new kitten into my household. I have 4 adult cats right now.  Two eat the Science Diet food for cats with urinary tract problems.  The other two eat NutroMax Lite.  They get wet food 2x/week.  They do no free feed b/c they will finish everything in the bowls and get fat; hence they are all on a diet and only eat at mealtimes, which seems to keep their weight mostly under control. I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? Also, what is the best kitten food?  Some people say they should eat canned food until 12 weeks; others say dry food is OK for an 8 week old.  I definitely can’t feed him the other cats’ food b/c it’s all diet stuff and he has different nutritional needs. What brands are best? Will this little guy be able to climb into a regular sized litter pan or do I need to make special arrangements for him until he’s big enough?  And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl? I’m bringing the little bugger home on Tuesday… should be fun! Though as you can see, I’m getting a little neurotic worrying about him in advance. Ray

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be > >able to get to the food. > Not if you do it under supervision.  Either put him in a closed room > while he eats,  or shut other cats in another room.  Then  pick up the > residue when he’s finished.  I grant this is a PITA, but it can be > discontinued when he’s old enough to hold his own. >What you’re describing is not free-feeding.  Free-feeding would mean >that kitten would be able to eat whenever he wants, not just at >mealtimes.  I am saying that I don’t think free-feeding will be >possible with my food-addicted adult cats around.  I am hoping it’s OK >for him to eat only at designated times. > >I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the > >larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then > >fall in. > Doubt it, but if you’re going to give him a smaller bowl anyway, the > question is moot. >Not really moot b/c the other kitties will still have the big bowl.  I >don’t want my kitten drowning in the big water bowl.  If this is a >silly concern, then I’ll try to stop worrying.

Sorry, I misunderstood; was visualizing different areas. Still don’t think kitten would be in real danger.  Could splash/upset his way out if he did fall in.  Paws crossed… > >  The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl > > in 2 days. > I have to keep reminding myself to *change the water daily*!! >I have no choice– at the end of the day the bowl is mostly empty and >has to be cleaned and refilled.  They drink a ton. >Ray

– Polar

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> >I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure >how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat >the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? > Feed new kitten in a separate area, under supervision.  I know, it’s > time-consuming, but given the circumstances…

But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be able to get to the food.  I don’t think the idea of cutting a whole in a box that only the kitten can fit through will work, b/c my cats are insanely persistent when it comes to food, and they’re strong and smart too.  They’d get to it for sure.  Will he be OK if he can only eat twice a day? > And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this >dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl? > Sounds a little overwhelming.  How can the poor little thing reach it? > Just give his water in a very small kitchen bowl; at least that’s what > I do.  KISS.

I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then fall in.  The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl in 2 days. Ray

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>> >I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure > >how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat > >the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? > Feed new kitten in a separate area, under supervision.  I know, it’s > time-consuming, but given the circumstances… >But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be >able to get to the food.

Not if you do it under supervision.  Either put him in a closed room while he eats,  or shut other cats in another room.  Then  pick up the residue when he’s finished.  I grant this is a PITA, but it can be discontinued when he’s old enough to hold his own.  I don’t think the idea of cutting a hole in >a box that only the kitten can fit through will work, b/c my cats are >insanely persistent when it comes to food, and they’re strong and >smart too.  They’d get to it for sure.  Will he be OK if he can only >eat twice a day? > > And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this > >dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl? > Sounds a little overwhelming.  How can the poor little thing reach it? > Just give his water in a very small kitchen bowl; at least that’s what > I do.  KISS. >I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the >larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then >fall in.

Doubt it, but if you’re going to give him a smaller bowl anyway, the question is moot.   The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl >in 2 days.

I have to keep reminding myself to *change the water daily*!! — Polar

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> >But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be >able to get to the food. > Not if you do it under supervision.  Either put him in a closed room > while he eats,  or shut other cats in another room.  Then  pick up the > residue when he’s finished.  I grant this is a PITA, but it can be > discontinued when he’s old enough to hold his own.

What you’re describing is not free-feeding.  Free-feeding would mean that kitten would be able to eat whenever he wants, not just at mealtimes.  I am saying that I don’t think free-feeding will be possible with my food-addicted adult cats around.  I am hoping it’s OK for him to eat only at designated times. >I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the >larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then >fall in. > Doubt it, but if you’re going to give him a smaller bowl anyway, the > question is moot.

Not really moot b/c the other kitties will still have the big bowl.  I don’t want my kitten drowning in the big water bowl.  If this is a silly concern, then I’ll try to stop worrying. >  The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl > in 2 days. > I have to keep reminding myself to *change the water daily*!!

I have no choice– at the end of the day the bowl is mostly empty and has to be cleaned and refilled.  They drink a ton. Ray

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> I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure > how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat > the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this?

Use a milk crate or similar container with a hole large enough that only the kittens can fit through. Phil.

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> > I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure > how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat > the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? > Use a milk crate or similar container with a hole large enough that only the > kittens can fit through.

My fifteen pound cat squeezes his head and one shoulder into a half- empty kleenex box; some chubba wubbas are determined. Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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>Hi, more questions about integrating my new kitten into my household. >I have 4 adult cats right now.  Two eat the Science Diet food for cats >with urinary tract problems.  The other two eat NutroMax Lite.  They >get wet food 2x/week.  They do no free feed b/c they will finish >everything in the bowls and get fat; hence they are all on a diet and >only eat at mealtimes, which seems to keep their weight mostly under >control.

I honor your approach!  A close friend of mine allowed her cats to get FAT because she took an anthropomorphic approach; was too indulgent; now reaping consequences. >I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure >how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat >the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this?

Feed new kitten in a separate area, under supervision.  I know, it’s time-consuming, but given the circumstances… >Also, what is the best kitten food?  Some people say they should eat >canned food until 12 weeks; others say dry food is OK for an 8 week >old.  I definitely can’t feed him the other cats’ food b/c it’s all >diet stuff and he has different nutritional needs. What brands are >best?

With my new little boy, I am feeding premium food — at the moment, Wellness – for the first time (the others all thrived on supermarket whatever).  Vet told me to keep him on canned kitten food for a YEAR!! What do Hon. Members think?? He gets both canned kitten food and kitten dry food. The dry food is very important for dental health. >Will this little guy be able to climb into a regular sized litter pan >or do I need to make special arrangements for him until he’s big >enough?

He can manage a regular-sized litter pan — I assume he’s at least 8 weeks old?  Or…? Put in on newspaper; they do tend to scatter. Hint:  I bought the crystals this time, and find they are wonderful about eliminating odor.  May seem a little more expensive, but a panful can last quite a while.  You remove the doo-doo with a special tool that lets the crystals fall through.  The crystals suck out  the moisture, so you basically have to remove only little hard bit. .  And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this >dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl?

Sounds a little overwhelming.  How can the poor little thing reach it? Just give his water in a very small kitchen bowl; at least that’s what I do.  KISS. >I’m bringing the little bugger home on Tuesday… should be fun! >Though as you can see, I’m getting a little neurotic worrying about >him in advance.

Ah, new fatherhood — the stresses, the joys, the dilemmas… We’ve all been there.  Courage! — Polar

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Hi, more questions about integrating my new kitten into my household. I have 4 adult cats right now.  Two eat the Science Diet food for cats with urinary tract problems.  The other two eat NutroMax Lite.  They get wet food 2x/week.  They do no free feed b/c they will finish everything in the bowls and get fat; hence they are all on a diet and only eat at mealtimes, which seems to keep their weight mostly under control. I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? Also, what is the best kitten food?  Some people say they should eat canned food until 12 weeks; others say dry food is OK for an 8 week old.  I definitely can’t feed him the other cats’ food b/c it’s all diet stuff and he has different nutritional needs. What brands are best? Will this little guy be able to climb into a regular sized litter pan or do I need to make special arrangements for him until he’s big enough?  And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl? I’m bringing the little bugger home on Tuesday… should be fun! Though as you can see, I’m getting a little neurotic worrying about him in advance. Ray

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be > >able to get to the food. > Not if you do it under supervision.  Either put him in a closed room > while he eats,  or shut other cats in another room.  Then  pick up the > residue when he’s finished.  I grant this is a PITA, but it can be > discontinued when he’s old enough to hold his own. >What you’re describing is not free-feeding.  Free-feeding would mean >that kitten would be able to eat whenever he wants, not just at >mealtimes.  I am saying that I don’t think free-feeding will be >possible with my food-addicted adult cats around.  I am hoping it’s OK >for him to eat only at designated times. > >I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the > >larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then > >fall in. > Doubt it, but if you’re going to give him a smaller bowl anyway, the > question is moot. >Not really moot b/c the other kitties will still have the big bowl.  I >don’t want my kitten drowning in the big water bowl.  If this is a >silly concern, then I’ll try to stop worrying.

Sorry, I misunderstood; was visualizing different areas. Still don’t think kitten would be in real danger.  Could splash/upset his way out if he did fall in.  Paws crossed… > >  The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl > > in 2 days. > I have to keep reminding myself to *change the water daily*!! >I have no choice– at the end of the day the bowl is mostly empty and >has to be cleaned and refilled.  They drink a ton. >Ray

– Polar

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> >I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure >how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat >the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? > Feed new kitten in a separate area, under supervision.  I know, it’s > time-consuming, but given the circumstances…

But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be able to get to the food.  I don’t think the idea of cutting a whole in a box that only the kitten can fit through will work, b/c my cats are insanely persistent when it comes to food, and they’re strong and smart too.  They’d get to it for sure.  Will he be OK if he can only eat twice a day? > And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this >dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl? > Sounds a little overwhelming.  How can the poor little thing reach it? > Just give his water in a very small kitchen bowl; at least that’s what > I do.  KISS.

I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then fall in.  The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl in 2 days. Ray

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>> >I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure > >how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat > >the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? > Feed new kitten in a separate area, under supervision.  I know, it’s > time-consuming, but given the circumstances… >But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be >able to get to the food.

Not if you do it under supervision.  Either put him in a closed room while he eats,  or shut other cats in another room.  Then  pick up the residue when he’s finished.  I grant this is a PITA, but it can be discontinued when he’s old enough to hold his own.  I don’t think the idea of cutting a hole in >a box that only the kitten can fit through will work, b/c my cats are >insanely persistent when it comes to food, and they’re strong and >smart too.  They’d get to it for sure.  Will he be OK if he can only >eat twice a day? > > And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this > >dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl? > Sounds a little overwhelming.  How can the poor little thing reach it? > Just give his water in a very small kitchen bowl; at least that’s what > I do.  KISS. >I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the >larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then >fall in.

Doubt it, but if you’re going to give him a smaller bowl anyway, the question is moot.   The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl >in 2 days.

I have to keep reminding myself to *change the water daily*!! — Polar

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> >But this still won’t allow him to free-feed, as the other cats will be >able to get to the food. > Not if you do it under supervision.  Either put him in a closed room > while he eats,  or shut other cats in another room.  Then  pick up the > residue when he’s finished.  I grant this is a PITA, but it can be > discontinued when he’s old enough to hold his own.

What you’re describing is not free-feeding.  Free-feeding would mean that kitten would be able to eat whenever he wants, not just at mealtimes.  I am saying that I don’t think free-feeding will be possible with my food-addicted adult cats around.  I am hoping it’s OK for him to eat only at designated times. >I will give the kitten a littler bowl.  Is he in any danger with the >larger bowl?  I don’t want him to try and drink out of it and then >fall in. > Doubt it, but if you’re going to give him a smaller bowl anyway, the > question is moot.

Not really moot b/c the other kitties will still have the big bowl.  I don’t want my kitten drowning in the big water bowl.  If this is a silly concern, then I’ll try to stop worrying. >  The other cats need a lot of water– they drink a whole bowl > in 2 days. > I have to keep reminding myself to *change the water daily*!!

I have no choice– at the end of the day the bowl is mostly empty and has to be cleaned and refilled.  They drink a ton. Ray

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> I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure > how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat > the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this?

Use a milk crate or similar container with a hole large enough that only the kittens can fit through. Phil.

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> > I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure > how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat > the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? > Use a milk crate or similar container with a hole large enough that only the > kittens can fit through.

My fifteen pound cat squeezes his head and one shoulder into a half- empty kleenex box; some chubba wubbas are determined. Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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>Hi, more questions about integrating my new kitten into my household. >I have 4 adult cats right now.  Two eat the Science Diet food for cats >with urinary tract problems.  The other two eat NutroMax Lite.  They >get wet food 2x/week.  They do no free feed b/c they will finish >everything in the bowls and get fat; hence they are all on a diet and >only eat at mealtimes, which seems to keep their weight mostly under >control.

I honor your approach!  A close friend of mine allowed her cats to get FAT because she took an anthropomorphic approach; was too indulgent; now reaping consequences. >I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure >how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat >the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this?

Feed new kitten in a separate area, under supervision.  I know, it’s time-consuming, but given the circumstances… >Also, what is the best kitten food?  Some people say they should eat >canned food until 12 weeks; others say dry food is OK for an 8 week >old.  I definitely can’t feed him the other cats’ food b/c it’s all >diet stuff and he has different nutritional needs. What brands are >best?

With my new little boy, I am feeding premium food — at the moment, Wellness – for the first time (the others all thrived on supermarket whatever).  Vet told me to keep him on canned kitten food for a YEAR!! What do Hon. Members think?? He gets both canned kitten food and kitten dry food. The dry food is very important for dental health. >Will this little guy be able to climb into a regular sized litter pan >or do I need to make special arrangements for him until he’s big >enough?

He can manage a regular-sized litter pan — I assume he’s at least 8 weeks old?  Or…? Put in on newspaper; they do tend to scatter. Hint:  I bought the crystals this time, and find they are wonderful about eliminating odor.  May seem a little more expensive, but a panful can last quite a while.  You remove the doo-doo with a special tool that lets the crystals fall through.  The crystals suck out  the moisture, so you basically have to remove only little hard bit. .  And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this >dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl?

Sounds a little overwhelming.  How can the poor little thing reach it? Just give his water in a very small kitchen bowl; at least that’s what I do.  KISS. >I’m bringing the little bugger home on Tuesday… should be fun! >Though as you can see, I’m getting a little neurotic worrying about >him in advance.

Ah, new fatherhood — the stresses, the joys, the dilemmas… We’ve all been there.  Courage! — Polar

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Hi, more questions about integrating my new kitten into my household. I have 4 adult cats right now.  Two eat the Science Diet food for cats with urinary tract problems.  The other two eat NutroMax Lite.  They get wet food 2x/week.  They do no free feed b/c they will finish everything in the bowls and get fat; hence they are all on a diet and only eat at mealtimes, which seems to keep their weight mostly under control. I understand that kittens should be able to free-feed.  I am not sure how this will be possible, since the other cats will definitely eat the kitten’s food given a chance.  How do I manage this? Also, what is the best kitten food?  Some people say they should eat canned food until 12 weeks; others say dry food is OK for an 8 week old.  I definitely can’t feed him the other cats’ food b/c it’s all diet stuff and he has different nutritional needs. What brands are best? Will this little guy be able to climb into a regular sized litter pan or do I need to make special arrangements for him until he’s big enough?  And my water dish is a big plastic punch bowl– it this dangerous for a small kitten?  Should I get a smaller bowl? I’m bringing the little bugger home on Tuesday… should be fun! Though as you can see, I’m getting a little neurotic worrying about him in advance. Ray

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30" shouldn’t present any major problems.   The P-trap arm can be extended that much.  I don’t see a costly job at all. This is really within the scope of a seasoned handyman. One thing to watch on the drain is the height of the trap off the floor (this is dictated by the drain fitting in the wall). If the trap is set too high, a disposal (if used) may not drain properly. While everything is apart, it may be a good time to have the drain snaked out. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It is moving over about 30 inches.  It will not be in an island.   The plumbing > will be in the cabinet bottom.  The house is an oldy but goody.  circ 1920. > with a basement.  The main exit to the septic/tank is directly beneath the > kitchen. > Thansk >How far is it moving?  Is it going into an island? >Can the (extended) plumbing be concealed within the >cabinet bottoms?  What’s the construction of the house? >Slab/crawl/basement? >Will permits for the remodel be req’d?

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We need a new sink installed (different location then current) in our kitchen. Anyone with any ideas on what the plumbing will entail and cost?  One guy told me $3000.  Seemed a little steep. Thanks

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> We need a new sink installed (different location then current) in our kitchen. > Anyone with any ideas on what the plumbing will entail and cost?  One guy told > me $3000.  Seemed a little steep. > Thanks

Repost to: alt.home.repair How far is it moving?  Is it going into an island? Can the (extended) plumbing be concealed within the cabinet bottoms?  What’s the construction of the house? Slab/crawl/basement? Will permits for the remodel be req’d?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We need a new sink installed (different location then current) in our kitchen. > Anyone with any ideas on what the plumbing will entail and cost?  One guy told > me $3000.  Seemed a little steep. > Thanks > Repost to: > alt.home.repair > How far is it moving?  Is it going into an island? > Can the (extended) plumbing be concealed within the > cabinet bottoms?  What’s the construction of the house? > Slab/crawl/basement? > Will permits for the remodel be req’d?

And don’t forget: New counter & cabinet reconfiguration.

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It is moving over about 30 inches.  It will not be in an island.   The plumbing will be in the cabinet bottom.  The house is an oldy but goody.  circ 1920. with a basement.  The main exit to the septic/tank is directly beneath the kitchen. Thansk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->How far is it moving?  Is it going into an island? >Can the (extended) plumbing be concealed within the >cabinet bottoms?  What’s the construction of the house? >Slab/crawl/basement? >Will permits for the remodel be req’d?

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Thanks for all your help, just got home with Tiddles and she is completely new cat, she is so bright and cheerful Sure she will make a good recovery in time thanks again, you have all eased my mind trish

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My Cougar lost his front right leg when he was about a year old, since then he has managed just fine and maintained his position as Chief Cat in the household.  He climbs our 6ft fence with no trouble at all.  He seems to assert himself through growling and hissing rather than physical violence, but I’m sure he manages when a little swipe is required. The one thing he can’t seem to do very well is clean the other side of his face.  I do that for him by wiping it with a damp kitchen towel every once in a while.  When he first lost his leg he would regularly overbalance while trying to scratch his neck on that side, since he didn’t have the front leg for support.  If he needs a scratch now, he does it lying down. I know exactly how drastic and upsetting it seems to amputate, but cats are extraordinarily adaptable. Hope this helps, Love P – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Our Japanese Bobtail had her back leg amputed (BEFORE we owned her) – > she was chased into the street by a mean dog.  She gets along wo any > trouble. > Our neighbor’s cat was hit by a car and is missing his front leg.  He > can still climb trees.  Tho’ only while outside on a leash. > Both cats are now indoor cats. >Trish, >Sorry to hear about Tiddles, but I’m glad she’s recovering so well. >Just a bit of info… >I just saw two different episodes on Animal Planet’s Emergency Vets >that featured pets with front leg amputations. The cat was injured by >crawling into a car, and is now running around his house like he owns >the place. At first they built steps leading up to places, like window >perches, the bed, etc… but apparently no longer needs them. The dog >had previously had his one leg amputated, but then broke his remaining >front leg. They were able to reset and stabilize it, and now the dog >is trotting around his house and backyard just fine. So, these guys >are pretty resilient and your kitty will do fine. Just keep an eye on >her while she’s adjusting, but from everything I’ve seen and read, >they adjust very quickly. Good luck! >karen M.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Not quite the same thing, but my mother’s dog had his rear leg amputated >> almost 2 years ago (hemangiopericytoma) and is doing great. We built steps >> up to the bed for him, and one in front of the sofa, and gets along fine, >> and is spoiled rotten. He does fall down some, but being a dog, he doesn’t >> have as much "jump" in him as a cat does. Good luck with your baby. >> Regards…Sherry >> — >> http://donsherr629.tripod.com/ >> > Hi everyone, >> > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me >> > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my >> > cat Tiddles home. >> > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she >>  started >> > with a limp about three months ago, >> > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, >> > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a >> > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday >> > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) >> > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was >>  no >> > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma >> > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered >> > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything >>  that >> > I need to do. >> > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences >>  they >> > could share with me >> > many thanks >> > trish

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Trish, Sorry to hear about Tiddles, but I’m glad she’s recovering so well. Just a bit of info… I just saw two different episodes on Animal Planet’s Emergency Vets that featured pets with front leg amputations. The cat was injured by crawling into a car, and is now running around his house like he owns the place. At first they built steps leading up to places, like window perches, the bed, etc… but apparently no longer needs them. The dog had previously had his one leg amputated, but then broke his remaining front leg. They were able to reset and stabilize it, and now the dog is trotting around his house and backyard just fine. So, these guys are pretty resilient and your kitty will do fine. Just keep an eye on her while she’s adjusting, but from everything I’ve seen and read, they adjust very quickly. Good luck! karen M. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Not quite the same thing, but my mother’s dog had his rear leg amputated > almost 2 years ago (hemangiopericytoma) and is doing great. We built steps > up to the bed for him, and one in front of the sofa, and gets along fine, > and is spoiled rotten. He does fall down some, but being a dog, he doesn’t > have as much "jump" in him as a cat does. Good luck with your baby. > Regards…Sherry > — > http://donsherr629.tripod.com/ > Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she >  started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was >  no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything >  that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences >  they > could share with me > many thanks > trish

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Hi everyone, New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my cat Tiddles home. Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started with a limp about three months ago, Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that I need to do. I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they could share with me many thanks trish

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Trish, While I personally have not owned a cat with an amputation, my vet had a cat and a dog. Both adapted very well and the cat was quite a jumper despite the lack of a front let. I wish you the best.  :) Diane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they > could share with me > many thanks > trish

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they > could share with me

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Not quite the same thing, but my mother’s dog had his rear leg amputated almost 2 years ago (hemangiopericytoma) and is doing great. We built steps up to the bed for him, and one in front of the sofa, and gets along fine, and is spoiled rotten. He does fall down some, but being a dog, he doesn’t have as much "jump" in him as a cat does. Good luck with your baby. Regards…Sherry — http://donsherr629.tripod.com/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they > could share with me > many thanks > trish

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>Hi everyone, >New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me >some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my >cat Tiddles home.

You might want to read the thread "amputation" started by N T app. one week ago. She is in a very similar situation and wanted some advice. I believe that there you will find the kind of information you wanted. good luck. M.

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Thanks for all your help, just got home with Tiddles and she is completely new cat, she is so bright and cheerful Sure she will make a good recovery in time thanks again, you have all eased my mind trish

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My Cougar lost his front right leg when he was about a year old, since then he has managed just fine and maintained his position as Chief Cat in the household.  He climbs our 6ft fence with no trouble at all.  He seems to assert himself through growling and hissing rather than physical violence, but I’m sure he manages when a little swipe is required. The one thing he can’t seem to do very well is clean the other side of his face.  I do that for him by wiping it with a damp kitchen towel every once in a while.  When he first lost his leg he would regularly overbalance while trying to scratch his neck on that side, since he didn’t have the front leg for support.  If he needs a scratch now, he does it lying down. I know exactly how drastic and upsetting it seems to amputate, but cats are extraordinarily adaptable. Hope this helps, Love P – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Our Japanese Bobtail had her back leg amputed (BEFORE we owned her) – > she was chased into the street by a mean dog.  She gets along wo any > trouble. > Our neighbor’s cat was hit by a car and is missing his front leg.  He > can still climb trees.  Tho’ only while outside on a leash. > Both cats are now indoor cats. >Trish, >Sorry to hear about Tiddles, but I’m glad she’s recovering so well. >Just a bit of info… >I just saw two different episodes on Animal Planet’s Emergency Vets >that featured pets with front leg amputations. The cat was injured by >crawling into a car, and is now running around his house like he owns >the place. At first they built steps leading up to places, like window >perches, the bed, etc… but apparently no longer needs them. The dog >had previously had his one leg amputated, but then broke his remaining >front leg. They were able to reset and stabilize it, and now the dog >is trotting around his house and backyard just fine. So, these guys >are pretty resilient and your kitty will do fine. Just keep an eye on >her while she’s adjusting, but from everything I’ve seen and read, >they adjust very quickly. Good luck! >karen M.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Not quite the same thing, but my mother’s dog had his rear leg amputated >> almost 2 years ago (hemangiopericytoma) and is doing great. We built steps >> up to the bed for him, and one in front of the sofa, and gets along fine, >> and is spoiled rotten. He does fall down some, but being a dog, he doesn’t >> have as much "jump" in him as a cat does. Good luck with your baby. >> Regards…Sherry >> — >> http://donsherr629.tripod.com/ >> > Hi everyone, >> > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me >> > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my >> > cat Tiddles home. >> > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she >>  started >> > with a limp about three months ago, >> > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, >> > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a >> > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday >> > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) >> > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was >>  no >> > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma >> > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered >> > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything >>  that >> > I need to do. >> > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences >>  they >> > could share with me >> > many thanks >> > trish

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Trish, Sorry to hear about Tiddles, but I’m glad she’s recovering so well. Just a bit of info… I just saw two different episodes on Animal Planet’s Emergency Vets that featured pets with front leg amputations. The cat was injured by crawling into a car, and is now running around his house like he owns the place. At first they built steps leading up to places, like window perches, the bed, etc… but apparently no longer needs them. The dog had previously had his one leg amputated, but then broke his remaining front leg. They were able to reset and stabilize it, and now the dog is trotting around his house and backyard just fine. So, these guys are pretty resilient and your kitty will do fine. Just keep an eye on her while she’s adjusting, but from everything I’ve seen and read, they adjust very quickly. Good luck! karen M. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Not quite the same thing, but my mother’s dog had his rear leg amputated > almost 2 years ago (hemangiopericytoma) and is doing great. We built steps > up to the bed for him, and one in front of the sofa, and gets along fine, > and is spoiled rotten. He does fall down some, but being a dog, he doesn’t > have as much "jump" in him as a cat does. Good luck with your baby. > Regards…Sherry > — > http://donsherr629.tripod.com/ > Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she >  started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was >  no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything >  that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences >  they > could share with me > many thanks > trish

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Hi everyone, New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my cat Tiddles home. Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started with a limp about three months ago, Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that I need to do. I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they could share with me many thanks trish

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Trish, While I personally have not owned a cat with an amputation, my vet had a cat and a dog. Both adapted very well and the cat was quite a jumper despite the lack of a front let. I wish you the best.  :) Diane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they > could share with me > many thanks > trish

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they > could share with me

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Not quite the same thing, but my mother’s dog had his rear leg amputated almost 2 years ago (hemangiopericytoma) and is doing great. We built steps up to the bed for him, and one in front of the sofa, and gets along fine, and is spoiled rotten. He does fall down some, but being a dog, he doesn’t have as much "jump" in him as a cat does. Good luck with your baby. Regards…Sherry — http://donsherr629.tripod.com/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they > could share with me > many thanks > trish

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>Hi everyone, >New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me >some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my >cat Tiddles home.

You might want to read the thread "amputation" started by N T app. one week ago. She is in a very similar situation and wanted some advice. I believe that there you will find the kind of information you wanted. good luck. M.

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Thanks for all your help, just got home with Tiddles and she is completely new cat, she is so bright and cheerful Sure she will make a good recovery in time thanks again, you have all eased my mind trish

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My Cougar lost his front right leg when he was about a year old, since then he has managed just fine and maintained his position as Chief Cat in the household.  He climbs our 6ft fence with no trouble at all.  He seems to assert himself through growling and hissing rather than physical violence, but I’m sure he manages when a little swipe is required. The one thing he can’t seem to do very well is clean the other side of his face.  I do that for him by wiping it with a damp kitchen towel every once in a while.  When he first lost his leg he would regularly overbalance while trying to scratch his neck on that side, since he didn’t have the front leg for support.  If he needs a scratch now, he does it lying down. I know exactly how drastic and upsetting it seems to amputate, but cats are extraordinarily adaptable. Hope this helps, Love P – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Our Japanese Bobtail had her back leg amputed (BEFORE we owned her) – > she was chased into the street by a mean dog.  She gets along wo any > trouble. > Our neighbor’s cat was hit by a car and is missing his front leg.  He > can still climb trees.  Tho’ only while outside on a leash. > Both cats are now indoor cats. >Trish, >Sorry to hear about Tiddles, but I’m glad she’s recovering so well. >Just a bit of info… >I just saw two different episodes on Animal Planet’s Emergency Vets >that featured pets with front leg amputations. The cat was injured by >crawling into a car, and is now running around his house like he owns >the place. At first they built steps leading up to places, like window >perches, the bed, etc… but apparently no longer needs them. The dog >had previously had his one leg amputated, but then broke his remaining >front leg. They were able to reset and stabilize it, and now the dog >is trotting around his house and backyard just fine. So, these guys >are pretty resilient and your kitty will do fine. Just keep an eye on >her while she’s adjusting, but from everything I’ve seen and read, >they adjust very quickly. Good luck! >karen M.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Not quite the same thing, but my mother’s dog had his rear leg amputated >> almost 2 years ago (hemangiopericytoma) and is doing great. We built steps >> up to the bed for him, and one in front of the sofa, and gets along fine, >> and is spoiled rotten. He does fall down some, but being a dog, he doesn’t >> have as much "jump" in him as a cat does. Good luck with your baby. >> Regards…Sherry >> — >> http://donsherr629.tripod.com/ >> > Hi everyone, >> > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me >> > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my >> > cat Tiddles home. >> > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she >>  started >> > with a limp about three months ago, >> > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, >> > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a >> > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday >> > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) >> > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was >>  no >> > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma >> > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered >> > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything >>  that >> > I need to do. >> > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences >>  they >> > could share with me >> > many thanks >> > trish

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Trish, Sorry to hear about Tiddles, but I’m glad she’s recovering so well. Just a bit of info… I just saw two different episodes on Animal Planet’s Emergency Vets that featured pets with front leg amputations. The cat was injured by crawling into a car, and is now running around his house like he owns the place. At first they built steps leading up to places, like window perches, the bed, etc… but apparently no longer needs them. The dog had previously had his one leg amputated, but then broke his remaining front leg. They were able to reset and stabilize it, and now the dog is trotting around his house and backyard just fine. So, these guys are pretty resilient and your kitty will do fine. Just keep an eye on her while she’s adjusting, but from everything I’ve seen and read, they adjust very quickly. Good luck! karen M. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Not quite the same thing, but my mother’s dog had his rear leg amputated > almost 2 years ago (hemangiopericytoma) and is doing great. We built steps > up to the bed for him, and one in front of the sofa, and gets along fine, > and is spoiled rotten. He does fall down some, but being a dog, he doesn’t > have as much "jump" in him as a cat does. Good luck with your baby. > Regards…Sherry > — > http://donsherr629.tripod.com/ > Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she >  started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was >  no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything >  that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences >  they > could share with me > many thanks > trish

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Hi everyone, New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my cat Tiddles home. Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started with a limp about three months ago, Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that I need to do. I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they could share with me many thanks trish

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Trish, While I personally have not owned a cat with an amputation, my vet had a cat and a dog. Both adapted very well and the cat was quite a jumper despite the lack of a front let. I wish you the best.  :) Diane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they > could share with me > many thanks > trish

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they > could share with me

www.specialneedspets.org/disability.htm

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Not quite the same thing, but my mother’s dog had his rear leg amputated almost 2 years ago (hemangiopericytoma) and is doing great. We built steps up to the bed for him, and one in front of the sofa, and gets along fine, and is spoiled rotten. He does fall down some, but being a dog, he doesn’t have as much "jump" in him as a cat does. Good luck with your baby. Regards…Sherry — http://donsherr629.tripod.com/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone, > New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me > some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my > cat Tiddles home. > Its a long story but to cut it short, Tiddles is 4 years old and she started > with a limp about three months ago, > Following that we have been to the vets at least twice weekly for tests, > xrays, biopis etc and  was finally diagnosed with cancer in the rear leg a > few weeks ago and was admitted to a specialist vets/hospital on Thursday > and has had the leg amputated completely (no stump left) > Although a major decision, it was the only option given to us, there was no > chemo. or radi. available to help with this cancer – Rhabdomyosarcoma > We are due to fetch her all being well tomorrow , she has recovered > brilliantly but I was wondering what I should expect, is there anything that > I need to do. > I dunno, was wondering if someone on here may have similar experiences they > could share with me > many thanks > trish

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>Hi everyone, >New to this group and I was hoping that someone might be able to give me >some advise on any practical things I might need to know before I bring my >cat Tiddles home.

You might want to read the thread "amputation" started by N T app. one week ago. She is in a very similar situation and wanted some advice. I believe that there you will find the kind of information you wanted. good luck. M.

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>How does it work, anyway? >The ants obviously like it a whole lot, but it also obviously doesn’t kill >them all that quickly.

it is just sugar water and borax. I guess the borax gives them the runs and they poop to death (G) thy take it back and feed it to the queen and important ants and they die first. >Do the individual ants that ate the stuff just crawl away and die >somewhere, or is this another one of those things that they carry back to >the colony and kill off a bunch of their friends?

they carry it back. I notice after a couple weeks of hardly any ants you see a bunch of small ants again. seems like they never quite stop going to them. — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com  For prices and ordering instructions.

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All the following is perfectly normal in summer in Minnesota (and just about everywhere from Oregon to Quebec.) Ants are opportunistic and explore widely, especially the small ones.  They come and they go: and few do any harm. Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A couple of weeks ago we started seeing small numbers of tiny brown > ants in odd places in the house, just one or two a day. I just > assumed we were bringing them in on our clothes or cut flowers from > the garden. > Earlier this week, I found 3 of them in the kitchen sink and and 5 or > six wandering around on a kitchen counter when I got home from work. > On a quick search of the house, I found them coming and going under > the baseboards of a wall that’s just over the junction of our > basement and a crawlspace under the kitchen addition. > I immediately went to the hardware store and picked up a set of those > little ant poison boxes that supposedly let the ants carry poisoned > food back to the colony, and a bottle of that sticky goo that you put > on little pieces of cardboard placed around where the ants travel. > Within an hour the ants were dutifully marching in and out of the > little boxes, and the drops of goo were completely surrounded by > crowds of ants. Things stayed this way ’til we went to bed that > night. > When I got up next morning, there was not an ant to be seen. I don’t > know ant habits, so I just assumed they weren’t early risers. > When I got home that afternoon, still no ants. Later that evening, > still no ants. > Now, two days later, still no ants. > Are they REALLY gone that quickly? > —

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I keep two brands of ant baits around here just on general principles. Occasionally the ants discover one or the other, and it seems to annihilate them in two or three days. I think it actually kills off the colony, but there are lots more colonies outside that survive. When they discover the goodies in my house they soon regret it. That’s fine with me — I don’t really hate ants, I just don’t want them in my sink. — Best regards, Anthony Straight proprietor, Tony Electric http://dotznize.com/electric/ [This free advice carries no warranty whatsoever. Use it or ignore it at your own discretion and risk.]

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>>Within an hour the ants were dutifully marching in and out of the >little boxes, and the drops of goo were completely surrounded by >crowds of ants. Things stayed this way ’til we went to bed that >night. > your talking about terro? …

Different brand name but apparently the same stuff. How does it work, anyway? The ants obviously like it a whole lot, but it also obviously doesn’t kill them all that quickly. Do the individual ants that ate the stuff just crawl away and die somewhere, or is this another one of those things that they carry back to the colony and kill off a bunch of their friends? —

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>Within an hour the ants were dutifully marching in and out of the >little boxes, and the drops of goo were completely surrounded by >crowds of ants. Things stayed this way ’til we went to bed that >night.

your talking about terro? I have 13 baits inside the house we have so many ants. I notice it takes about three days for them to start slowing down. but there usually is always some ants coming and goning in areas where there are very large numbers of ants. — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com  For prices and ordering instructions.

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>Within an hour the ants were dutifully marching in and out of the >little boxes, and the drops of goo were completely surrounded by >crowds of ants <cut>When I got up next morning, there was not an ant to be seen.. >When I got home that afternoon, still no ants. Later that evening, >still no ants.<cut>Now, two days later, still no ants. >Are they REALLY gone that quickly?

FWIW, here is my theory, based on experience with a country property. Ants can be creatures of established habit, as yours did when they used one place to go in and out.  Do something to convince them that that is not the route to use, and I think they can learn not to come in that way, before it is necessary to kill each and every one of them. There is probably still an ant colony of some surviving size, just like the population of say field mice, you hope to discourage them from coming in the house, killing some if need be, it is not feasible to kill of the whole population of them. They may just learn to come in elsewhere after a while, keep looking. -v.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Within an hour the ants were dutifully marching in and out of the >little boxes, and the drops of goo were completely surrounded by >crowds of ants <cut>When I got up next morning, there was not an ant to be seen.. >When I got home that afternoon, still no ants. Later that evening, >still no ants.<cut>Now, two days later, still no ants. >Are they REALLY gone that quickly? > FWIW, here is my theory, based on experience with a country property. > Ants can be creatures of established habit, as yours did when they > used one place to go in and out.  Do something to convince them that > that is not the route to use, and I think they can learn not to come > in that way, before it is necessary to kill each and every one of > them. > There is probably still an ant colony of some surviving size, just > like the population of say field mice, you hope to discourage them > from coming in the house, killing some if need be, it is not feasible > to kill of the whole population of them. > They may just learn to come in elsewhere after a while, keep looking. > -v.

This is also another use I’ve found for WD-40. When sprayed in tiny entrance holes the ants go away. The spray itself kills them and the residue keeps them away.

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A couple of weeks ago we started seeing small numbers of tiny brown ants in odd places in the house, just one or two a day. I just assumed we were bringing them in on our clothes or cut flowers from the garden. Earlier this week, I found 3 of them in the kitchen sink and and 5 or six wandering around on a kitchen counter when I got home from work. On a quick search of the house, I found them coming and going under the baseboards of a wall that’s just over the junction of our basement and a crawlspace under the kitchen addition. I immediately went to the hardware store and picked up a set of those little ant poison boxes that supposedly let the ants carry poisoned food back to the colony, and a bottle of that sticky goo that you put on little pieces of cardboard placed around where the ants travel. Within an hour the ants were dutifully marching in and out of the little boxes, and the drops of goo were completely surrounded by crowds of ants. Things stayed this way ’til we went to bed that night. When I got up next morning, there was not an ant to be seen. I don’t know ant habits, so I just assumed they weren’t early risers. When I got home that afternoon, still no ants. Later that evening, still no ants. Now, two days later, still no ants. Are they REALLY gone that quickly? —

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