Question:
Nothing but quoted a very long thread. Um, Gman, could you please try to trim your quotes a bit more? Sandra Pover Remove NOSPAM to email
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior > Hey ZenMaster: > Just curious, here. How many dogs have you "trained"? I was thinking of > this last night on my way home from work and it sounds, from your posts, > that the only dogs you have had experience with are Chazz and his mother. > That, plus your (apparent) age leads me to believe that Dogman, Mojo’s Mom, > and the rest of the sensible regulars on the group all have more experience > in their proverbial "little finger" than you do in your whole body. > Indeed, by continuing to ignore their advice, you just prove your > ignorance. It is truly sad to see a young man who is so sure of his own > "wisdom" that he totally disregards the true wisdom of those around him. > Before you ask the question, I have been around dogs my whole life, but > this is the first one I’ve had on my own. It’s harder than I thought and > this group helps, so I try to help back when I can. Everything I’ve posted > here has been based on (1) my admittedly LIMITED experience and (2) common > freaking sense. I have seen precious little of either from you. Your > latest posting serves to educate those on the group just how well your dogs > are trained – not at all – unfortunately, it’s your animals who must pay > the price in blood and pain. > Dick. Grow up. > Gman > — > | Gary E. Shay, Jr. | CAD Development in MDL | > | Air Products and Chemicals, Inc. | PS-Mfg. Design Engineering | > | I cannot, in good conscience, speak for anyone but myself. | > | Proudly owned by a Border Collie named Dallas! | > To reply to this posting, remove NOSPAM from the reply address. > > > If the owners of the "guest dogs" cannot control > > > > their dogs, it is your responsibility to protect your own dogs — > get > > them > > > > collars and leashes and GET CONTROL of them…at least while they > are > > > > around your dogs. Why are your dogs in a position to have food > fights? > > > > Why is MeKim allowed to terrorize the other dogs? Why are YOU not > in > > > > control? > > > I don’t need to protect my dogs. They can protect themselves. > > They shouldn’t have to protect themselves, that’s YOUR job. > > >I need to protect MeKim, even though he is the terrorizer and the > > aggressor. > > > The other day, when he attacked Chazz, Chazz fought back fiercely and > > > then Callie jumped in and it was two against one and MeKim thought he > > > was going to take them both on, and that’s why I had to toss him to > the > > > other side of the kitchen, not to protect my dogs from him, but > protect > > > him and his mutilated ear and pin-cushioned skull from Callie > > > specifically, who was protecting her son, specifically. > > > Also, the dogs are not in a position to have food fights. I feed my > > > dogs completely separate from theirs. The fight over the bone > occurred, > > > because MeKim’s owner gave it to him out in the open in the hallway. > It > > > was a fresh meaty bone from the supermarket. > > Stupid, stupid, stupid…… > > > She didn’t realize this could be trouble and when we walked into the > > > house, Callie boldly bum rushed MeKim and took his bone, then the > fight > > > occurred. > > Not in control of your dogs once again….. > Control freak meter is on the rise…. > > > I don’t need to be in control at all times like you may feel the need > > > to. I like watching dogs interact. I like knowing what will set > them > > > off and what won’t. I like watching a fight happen > Control freak meter reaches 7.8… > > >and I like watching > > > the dogs resolve it themselves and if they can’t do it relatively > > > peacably, then I’ll intervene. If I wanted to get control of MeKim, > I > > > could do it in about twenty minutes, but first of all, he is not my > dog > > > and I will not do it until I am asked to do it and second of all, he > is > > > a perfect living laboratory for me. He is what happens when you > don’t > > > train your dog or socialize your dog. I couldn’t ask for a better > > > situation to be in. > > Being in control of you dogs means that YOU don’t put them in > situations > > where they need to fight. If you are truly the alpha of your pack, > your > > dogs rely on YOU to protect them and keep them safe, feed them safely > > (without contention), provide exercise, etc. That they feel they need > to > > do this themselves indicates that you are NOT alpha, period. Pets are > not > > laboratory experiments. If you feel the need to learn, read a book. > Don’t > > subject your dogs to injury so you can watch what happens. > Captain, control freak meter is approaching Ten, get ready to abandon > ship! > First of all, there is no question that I am alpha but since this > bothers you so much, let me tell you about the LATEST BIG FIGHT!!! It > was today April 30th, 1997 at approximately 1pm on a sunny, balmy east > coast afternoon. > IT WAS LIKE WORLD WAR THREE and it was further proof why I have THE > GREATEST DOG IN THE WORLD, yes the *QUEEN of BITCHES* was in rare form > and proved how she could solve this whole mess if I decided to let her > do it. > Callie, Chazz and Tai were out in the yard playing and roughhousing > having a good ol’ time when alas, MeKim the Terrible (who, for those of > you not aware, is kept separate from Tai at all times for reasons that > will become apparent) snuck out the door of the house when a guest > entered and like a shot went straight after Tai with dancing being being > the last thing on his mind. > You see, every fiber of his being is focused on getting to Tai and > taking a chunk out of him. The thought occupies all his waking hours > and every moment he sleeps is but a facade…for he cannot sleep, not > while Tai lives, and while Tai walks this earth MeKim’s only reason for > existing is and will be the utter destruction of his younger foe. > In burst of speed, Mekim closed on his target, and Tai, unlike Chazz > stood his ground and awaited his seething attacker…The ZenMaster, > raised up from his lawn chair and raced to head off the Yellow hound > from hell but his screams went unheeded and the onset of the onslaught > was near. > Then two Chows met and in a flash raised up on their haunches and > exploded in a savagery now too, too familiar…but lo and behold, what > was this? Out of nowhere a Chocolate blur from the West appeared and > into this desperate maelstrom she burst and parted the warring Chows > like Moses. It was none other than the Great Callie, Queen of Bitches, > redresser of evils, assuager of all manner of injustice, and (for the > sake of fairness and accuracy) pilferer of fresh meat bones, destroyer > of durable goods, and mortal enemy of rat and groundhog….anyway, into > their midst she came, knocking aside the Red Chow and taking on the > yellow dog full chocolate jacket… > But the younger Tai, still in the throes of aggression, still lashing > and flashing gleaming fangs, still looking for a target found the slim > and speedy Chazzman who had rushed into the melee after his mother, and > now, two battles raged from whence there were one. Luckily, the Red > Chow and the brown Chazzman quickly recognized eachother as friends and > stopped their accidental battle of their own volition, but the Queen now > had set herself upon the malicious Yellow Chow, whose owner rushed out > and screamed "Callie NOOO!" seeing her dog thusly engaged with the > Raging Bitch. > The ZenMaster then grabbed his warring bitch by her thick otter tail as > the Chow was similarly harnessed and in this manner the battle was > disjoined, perhaps a moment too soon…for Callie could have done what > would have taken a human much longer to accomplish. She could have > convinced MeKim not to attack Tai and she could have done it much more > efficiently and effectively than could I or anyone else. And she could > have done it probably without hurting him at all. For the ten seconds > or so that they fought, I watched a master in action and although she > was overwhelming MeKim, she wasn’t hurting him, it was all a big show. > Now, if food was involved, things would have been different, that is the > only time, she is truly dangerous to another dog, but she was just > putting on a clinic here. It looked like a vicious fight, but no damage > was done whatsoever. > The first time I saw the Chows fight several months ago, I immediately > thought to myself, "you know, Callie would settle all this right away" > but I didn’t want to risk her getting involved with these vicious dogs. > It was my first experience with Chows and I thought even she might be > out of her league against these guys. In fact, the real fight I have > been dreading is between Callie and Tai, since Tai, although a very > sweet and good natured dog, is such an excellent fighter…but that > fight happened about a week ago over an old bone Callie was chewing out > in the yard and in
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