Question:
Hello blackman,
> You really need to talk to someone who can see you and the dog
together, You mean someon like boob maida or janet boss or steve boyer who’ll communicate with the dog in a language IT can understand? > and who can, perhaps, show you other dogs.
Other dogs, blackman? For what? > It is really hard to tell without seeing
You ain’t gonna SEE nuthin moore than our OP did. Do you question the OP’s word for the detailed description of what happend? What the heel are you going to SEE? "Trainers" who need to SEE behaviors don’t have training solutuions, or they’d be giving them instead of watching for the behavior which most likely won’t be easily repeatable to SEE. Got it? > or at least without a LOT more detail.
You got any advice, besides taking the dog to the vet, blackman? > If the dog stopped on its own then I’m reluctant to see worrisome
aggression. Well you’ve got what for experience to base that sensesless claim on? > On the other hand YOU were there.
AMAZING! Let’s ask the OP to tell the tale again??? > Look if you are worrried about this it if foolish to ask people who
can’t see her, Well, it’s foolish to ask bums who need to SEE the behavior because they don’t have no damned advice to address the problem, eh blackman? > can’t see you, can’t see the interaction between you, her and the
family. No problem. Training dogs isn’t a physical skill that needs to be learned at the heel of an expert trainer like your pal lying frosty dahl so you can learn when to beat and choke and shock the dog and pinch its ears into spikes on its collar. > Things that matter in deciding what was going on include the position of > the dog’s head,
Your head is well positioned deep in your posterior. > tail and ears, how the coat was laying, any noise made before or after, typical play > behavior for the dog with adults, typical play behavior for the dog with children, > EXACTLY where and how your daughter was touching the dog .. .
Shove it, blackman. You’re full of hot dry $#!T. Besides, it’s not their kid, it’s a friend. > A lot of innocent play behavior can look like aggression.
Yes, but since we’re not fixing to HURT the dog, all this is really bull$#!T, isn’t it. > And for people who don’t know better what might look like a happy wagging > tail can be a prelude to a bite.
You think your experienced eye can tell if the tail is telling the truth? I doubt that very much, blackman. You’re talking out your butt. > So relying on general descriptions isn’t very useful.
BWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAHHAAAAAAAAA!!! > The bottom line is you are concerned. WHY your dog might act aggressive > toward your daughter isn’t nearly as important as you putting enough > training on your dog that you will KNOW that isn’t going to happen.
What kind of training is going to do that trick, blackman… > One of the better side effects of you training your dog to a high level is > that you get to really know and understand your dog.
Like you and your pals who use pronged spiked pinch choke and shock devices and crates to control out of control behaviors, blackman? > Plus the dog is easier to live with and you have much more flexibility > because your dog’s > behavior will be reliable in a wide variety of circumstances.
And that’s going to take five years like it did your dog to break his leash pulling? Hmm? The methods in my manual work pretty good, don’t they blackman? Your dog would still be lunging on lead were in not for the exercises in part 2 of your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. But that’s got little to do with this problem, blackman. You’re just blowing smoke up our arses again, aren’t you blackman. > So find a trainer in your area to work with.
Yeah? For what? To learn to drag her dog around in a circle hollering Heel! Sit! at your dog while jerking and choking it to help him think and remember his commands? > Diane Blackman
Be sure to hit that link in Charlie’s letter below: Here’s a couple quotes from your dog abusing lying Thug pals: "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," amy "Get A 30"- 40" Stick. CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand," As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished" "This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!" "(stay on the ear until it does)" "(perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn’t worth it)" "You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply" Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" "but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch" You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb" "even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that" "Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance" dahl. "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold. "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." Here’s a couple words from my students:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the > literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and "make > the dog earn everything it gets." I tried this once or twice, just by > taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible. The pup > got scared and just wanted to stay away from me. > That’s why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits’ End Dog > Training > manual — that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy. > The core takeaway I got from Jerry’s manual is this: make yourself > the center of your puppy’s world — his personal Lord Jesus. Never > give him a reason to fear you or think you’re angry. Love the heck > out of him, and you’ll end up with a great dog. > This has truly worked with my puppy. She’ll do anything I want > her to, if she understands, because she trusts me 100 percent, > and nothing is more important in her world than her relationship > with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy > Charlie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, > two collars We now have one dog and no collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back > in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn’t > come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. > She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces > her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the > road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes > when we walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence > and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence then you need to > train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my > dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-( > ~misty
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have a very > loud cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting to my 8 > month old son. > Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy’s cage as a hold on > for dear life object. > Buddy wasn’t exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my oder two boys went > through this stage in a different house where Buddy had his own room > and the boys had only visits, not daily contact 24/7. > Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has been driving > him nuts! He showed his disapproval by non-stop screaming. A > cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all the widows shut <g> > being in the house it makes your ears pop and your nerves crawl. > Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to use it. > He answered my questions quite politely. > I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is located~ > teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks. > At first I noticed no difference in Buddy’s behavior. Then I realized > afer a week that he no longer screamed for hours on end. This isn’t > to say he stopped completely <bg> he still demands his share of all > meals. But he doesn’t start sreaming at 10 pm when he wants _everyone > _ to go to bed. > Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My nerves were > frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry’s instructions. > I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it back on and left it on > the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back down and quit screaming. > In the time that I’ve had the DDR on I’ve had a lot of c*ts come to my > house. One I adopted and he’s quite the sweetie. He’s a yellow tiger > named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who is very friendly with my kids > and Zelda. > I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like the > methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I like things that are > free. I also
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Response:
Hello Dibba,
> Hello everyone > I am hoping that someone may be able to give me a bit of advice on something > that happened with my 3yo GSD tonight.
Yeah. We got lots of that around here, just watch out for the Cheddar. > She is the sweetest natured dog and has only once before looked like biting > someone. That was when a boy the same age as my son hit him repeatedly. > After the first two hits Chey ’snapped’ at him but did not connect.
I once had a dog named Chey. Bit me on the thumb big time the first week I had him when one of them big liquid filled worm pills broke in his mouth. Ouch. > I didn’t reprimand her because I figured that she was protecting my
son. Good, we never want to reprimand the dog because that’ll make them more upset about whatever’s buggin them. They’re likely to blame their scolding on the other guy’s behavior, not their own, and take out their animosity on them first chance they get when you’re not standing guard. That’s why most of our "experts" can’t train their dogs not to do things like take the food off the counter or eat the garbage outta the bin, because they’re always playing policeman. And that works every time they catch the dog in the act… And the dog learns to become even sneakier in his efforts to do whatever behavior we’re trying to stop with our physical or emotional intervention. Don’t get on that merry-go-round. Repressed behaviors only change, like steve did to Sampson. Here’s a dad with three nice little kids and a new goldenX who began to growl over food and got scolded for it. So, the dog began growling at the children without the food. Then he got scolded for growling at his kids, cause steve won’t let the dog threaten his little angels… but Sampson learned his lesson. He learned to "respect" his own kids. Worked the charm, except for that he became "FEAR AGGRESSIVE" or other daddy’s kids, and steve gave him the Cheddar. > That was about two years ago and we have not had a problem until
tonight. I hate it when that happens… Llama Spit. That’s what it’s called around here…, till it becomes Cheddar. > My neighbour’s 4yo daughter was scratching her while she lay on her side and > everything was fine until the little girl walked away from her. Chey rushed > after her making ‘mouthing’ motions.
It don’t sound good. There’s an outside chance it may have been play, but I wouldn’t bank on it, but it could be. At any rate, she doesn’t sound too sincere about whatever she’s up to… > She stopped before she got to her,
Just outta curiousity, did the child suddenly stop at the same time the dog did? > but I really felt that it was an aggressive act.
It probably was, but realize that it’s not a conscious, thought out action. It was the visual oral reflex to the child withdrawing. Did she move fast? Not that this is any kind of excuse for the behavior, I’m not one for accepting excuses or laying blame, just trying to figure out what’s most likely going on, and go from there. Forewarned is forearmed. There’s a number of ways we can address the behavior, regardless of the cause. The cause is secondary to taking care of business to make sure the behavior is extinguished. Don’t let our "experts" scare you with their usual bull$#!T and old wives tales. They’ll start right off telling you to take her to the vets and see a "behaviorist" to ‘evaluate’ the dog’s behaivor. Right there you’re talking maybe three hundred bucks, and you’ll probably be told to do ridiculous thing to "assert dominance" and maybe even a nice expensive worthless prescription. > I was there the whole time so I know that the girl didn’t hurt her.
Could be almost anything set her off. Could be some children had teased her when she was out in the yard, or maybe she’s thinking of having been mishandled by other children, or maybe even something as remote as the dog having been scared by something in the spot where the child was. Like with lia’s dog Cubbe. Cubbe began turning on lia when she first began training her, so she "stopped hurting" her in training, took up "clicker" training, so she thinks. Well, she didn’t think Cubbe would associate her SHOCK FENCE with lia HURTING her, so she left the device on. When Cubbe made another attempt to bolt out her front door, she got burned. lia ran right out and bought new batteries, despite that she clearly heard Cubbe YELP! as she crossed the border. Well, the next day her friend visited with a little kid who’d played with Cubbe all evening till they walked into the shock zone… and Cubbe snapped at the child. It’s called superstitious or flashback behavior. Of course lia threw Cubbe into an alphalpha rollover and growled into her throat, scaring the child and her mom out of their lives forever. Nice goin, lia. > Does anyone have any insight on what may cause a dog to act like this?
Don’t really matter, because whatever it is that’s wrong can easily be fixed using the non force, non confrontational scientific and psychological conditioning and desensitization techniques taught in your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. > I am really worried about her.
Yeah. Stop worrying and study the manual. Do all the exercises in part 1 according to the instructions. Ask me if you need help. Do the work and you’ll never have another problem with her. Our "experts" will be filling your head full of their BUNK about dominance and their antagonistic N.I.L.I.F. programs… don’t let your fears cloud your judgement. Our "experts" feed on fear, force, confrontation, confinement, and CHEDDAR. > Thanks
"A word to the wise, is sufficient," Jerry’s Nana. > Dib
This is pretty incredible stuff: Here’s a couple quotes from our dog abusing lying Thug pals: "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," amy "Get A 30"- 40" Stick. CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand," As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished" "This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!" "(stay on the ear until it does)" "(perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn’t worth it)" "You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply" Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" "but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch" You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb" "even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that" "Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance" dahl. "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold. "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." Here’s a couple words from my students:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the > literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and "make > the dog earn everything it gets." I tried this once or twice, just by > taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible. The pup > got scared and just wanted to stay away from me. > That’s why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits’ End Dog > Training > manual — that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy. > The core takeaway I got from Jerry’s manual is this: make yourself > the center of your puppy’s world — his personal Lord Jesus. Never > give him a reason to fear you or think you’re angry. Love the heck > out of him, and you’ll end up with a great dog. > This has truly worked with my puppy. She’ll do anything I want > her to, if she understands, because she trusts me 100 percent, > and nothing is more important in her world than her relationship > with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy > Charlie
> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, > two collars We now have one dog and no collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back > in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn’t > come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. > She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces > her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the > road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes > when we walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence > and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence then you need to > train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my > dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-( > ~misty
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Rober Crim writes:
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