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: > : > : Also, does anyone know what the prices and the service are like for Leisure : > : Air, between Boston and L.A.? : > : > Can’t tell you anything about Leisure, except that they fly A320 on the route. : > I can check the prices on EZ later.  Both UA and AA have three nonstops every : > day. : > : > Scott : I’ve been told that Leisure is no longer flying as of the end of January. : Have they started up again? According to EZ, they still are. Scott

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>I was checking the airfares for BOS <-> LAX recently, and realized that my FF >airline Northwest no longer offers nonstop service between Boston and L.A. >I don’t like stopping in Detroit or MSP, but would like to continue getting FF >miles from NW; does anyone know if NW would, perhaps, resume the service, >say, in the summer when the demand is higher?

It’s gone.  The BOS-SFO non-stop disappeared last year.  If you check out the schedule you will notice that the BOS-Paris(CDG) and BOS-Frankfurt(FRA) non-stops are also gone as of 2/15.  Northwest is now flying passengers from Boston to those locations via Detroit. BOS-Glasgow(GLA) went last year. I talked to a NW agent at Logan and while she didn’t want to go on the record it sounded like NW was tired of paying big bucks to Massport and could make more money by flying from Detroit.  I’m not sure if that is it or the weak business climate in Boston but it’s pretty sad. I wonder how long NW will continue to fly BOS-AMS and BOS-LGW?

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> EC> I was checking the airfares for BOS <-> LAX recently, and realized > EC> that my FF airline Northwest no longer offers nonstop service between >Northwest is "de-emphasizing" the Boston minihub (they dropped their >flight to Glasgow, as well as a bunch of flights to Europe from Boston).

I guess they have less need for it now that they are doing the KLM thing. Except for Britain, most other points in Europe can be better served through Amsterdam than Boston.  And heck, I’d rather connect in Amsterdam than Boston anyday. Boston’s terminals really need an overhaul.  I’ve never liked terminal E, terminal A is in sad shape (isn’t it supposed to be replaced?) and terminal B’s not much to write home about either. When is the long-awaited expansion of E supposed to occur? Another thing they could do, to expand USAir’s side of terminal B (so as to consolidate the shuttle in with the rest of the service) would be to join the two sides of Terminal B together at the end, and add some gates.  Seems to me they’d just have to relocate the fire house (that is sort of out there in the tarmac) which surely couldn’t be that expensive.  Would also enhance flexibility of Terminal B, making the two sides contiguous, so that airlines could "grow" from one side to the other. And the road system needs work.  In particular they need to take a hardline against people who stop at the terminals.  At San Jose they have a cadre of officers just making sure people don’t stop, unless their person is standing right there.  Works pretty well. RNA

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> : Also, does anyone know what the prices and the service are like for Leisure > : Air, between Boston and L.A.? > Can’t tell you anything about Leisure, except that they fly A320 on the route. > I can check the prices on EZ later.  Both UA and AA have three nonstops every > day. > Scott

I’ve been told that Leisure is no longer flying as of the end of January. Have they started up again? Joanne

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> About the only "problem" that Terminal C has is that the baggage claim > area is wide open — no tags are required to pick up bags. Of course, > *all* of Logan is like that (not just Terminal C), but since Terminal C > is my terminal of choice, it’s the one I care about the most

usair’s baggage claim at terminal B is secure and ocassionally requires a   claim check, although i’m not sure if the attendant really checks the   numbers. this is massport, afterall. not all of logan is wide open. nitin

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 HTR> About the only "problem" that Terminal C has is that the baggage  HTR> claim area is wide open — no tags are required to pick up bags. Of  HTR> course, *all* of Logan is like that (not just Terminal C), but since  HTR> Terminal C is my terminal of choice, it’s the one I care about the  HTR> most  NG> usair’s baggage claim at terminal B is secure and ocassionally  NG> requires a claim check, although i’m not sure if the attendant really  NG> checks the numbers. this is massport, afterall.  NG> not all of logan is wide open. USAir? At Logan? The same terminal and with the same "security people" as the place where several people smuggled through a fake bomb just to prove it can be done? Sorry, I still consider that "wide open". If the security people are snoozing on their jobs behind the "x-ray" machine, then I have no reason to believe they’re any better when looking at bag tags. –Helen — Kapor Enterprises, Inc.                 Check out my homepage! –> Systems and Networks Administration     http://www.kei.com/homepages/hrose.html I like: DL, WN, Boeing                  I don’t like: NW, HP, Airbus

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> I believe Massport has taken over the operation of Terminal A and has > scheduled it for renovations. whoopdedo.

Isn’t Terminal A supposed to be destroyed alltogether ? I remember seing plans for Logan and they included massive changes to the complex. Work was underway as ofoct 93. They are building a new tunnel to downtown as well and thsi will change all access routes. Has work stopped since then ? IS the new tunnel now open ?

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: >This didn’t happen to me on subsequent domestic arrivals in SEA or EWR, : >so I thought it was just some strange Californian foible. : LAX had serious problems with luggage theft — their paranoia is well : justified … LAX is the only airport I’ve been to in the last few years that actually checks tags.  LAS, PHX, LGA, JFK, IAD, BOS, MIA, FLL, MSY, RNO, and EWR don’t check from what I remember.  Or maybe I just ran through and didn’t pay attention to the security guard yelling at me. Scott

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: LAX is the only airport I’ve been to in the last few years that actually : checks tags.  LAS, PHX, LGA, JFK, IAD, BOS, MIA, FLL, MSY, RNO, and EWR don’t : check from what I remember.  Or maybe I just ran through and didn’t pay : attention to the security guard yelling at me. I think it depends on the airline.  If I recall, at EWR USAir checks but United does not.  Can’t recall if Continental does. reb

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>LAX is the only airport I’ve been to in the last few years that actually >checks tags.  LAS, PHX, LGA, JFK, IAD, BOS, MIA, FLL, MSY, RNO, and EWR don’t >check from what I remember.  Or maybe I just ran through and didn’t pay >attention to the security guard yelling at me.

I’ve been checked at LGA on numerous occasions. Northwest. miguel

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 NC> The BOS-LGW market is one of only two London markets that NW has (the  NC> other being MSP-LGW), and although I’m sure that they would LOVE to  NC> move that to DTW, they could never make money while Delta was flying  NC> it at the same time.. They just *bought* DTW-LGW from Delta for $1.6 million. That makes me a little less certain of the fate of NW’s BOS-LGW service… Of course, that then leads to the next question–who would try to take it? DL almost certainly wouldn’t, since they just got approval of the code-share with VS on, among other routes, BOS-LGW; AA certainly won’t, since they have BOS-*LHR*; US has code-sharing with BA (2xBOS-LHR) so they’re out of the picture; UA might, but they have LHR access elsewhere and therefore probably don’t care about another xxx-LGW route. As others have stated, BOS-AMS will probably stay just because of the NW/KLM deal. (Boy, the recent NW cutbacks at BOS make me real happy not to be Worldperks Preferred any more —  http://www.kei.com/homepages/ckd/ |  disk of GIFs, half a meg of hypertext,    * MIME * PGP * WWW * [CKD1] *   |  it’s dark, and we’re wearing sunglasses."

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>>LAX is the only airport I’ve been to in the last few years that actually >checks tags.  LAS, PHX, LGA, JFK, IAD, BOS, MIA, FLL, MSY, RNO, and EWR don’t >check from what I remember.  Or maybe I just ran through and didn’t pay >attention to the security guard yelling at me. >I’ve been checked at LGA on numerous occasions. Northwest. >miguel

Similar Delta into EWR, and they were quite strict about it.

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>I was checking the airfares for BOS <-> LAX >recently, and realized that my FF airline >Northwest no longer offers nonstop service >between Boston and L.A.

NW annouced this Tuesday 10 January- here is what was on the wires JAN05, 1995:    "Northwest said it will eliminate daily flights between Boston and Los Angeles as of Tuesday, and daily round trips between Boston and Orlando as of May 1. Boston-Washington National Airport flights will be phased out beginning March 2." With the recent purchase of a Delta DTW-LGW route, NW said they will start flying DTW-LGW in early March- pending government approval. This was in the papers January 5, 1995. — jim fairburn/ZRH

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: Also, does anyone know what the prices and the service are like for Leisure : Air, between Boston and L.A.? Leisure 555 departs BOS at 2:00 P.M. and arrives LAX at 5:10 P.M.   Leisure 556 departs LAX at 6:15 P.M. and arrives BOS at 2:25 A.M. Equipment is A320. All of this info is from EZ.  I couldn’t get a price on it. About NW "de-emphasizing" it’s minihub here in BOS: it’s a damn shame.  BOS is an airport that really doesn’t have a dominate carrier like most other large city airports do.  USAir probably has the most flights out of BOS, but I’m not sure how NW compares.  If anything, I would expect NW to try to "emphasize" BOS, especially with the nice terminal they have ;=)  Well, it looks like BOS will turn into another NW experiment, like MKE.  Too bad, because I thought they could really go somewhere with BOS. Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Northwest no longer offers nonstop service >between Boston and L.A. >NW annouced this Tuesday 10 January- here is what was on the >wires JAN05, 1995: >   "Northwest said it will eliminate daily flights between Boston >and Los Angeles as of Tuesday, and daily round trips between >Boston and Orlando as of May 1. Boston-Washington National >Airport flights will be phased out beginning March 2." >This was in the papers January 5, 1995. >– >jim fairburn/ZRH

From the _Boston_Globe_ on 1/5/95: "Although a second daily Seattle flight is being added as a connection to Northwest’s trans-Pacific routes, the changes will reduce Northwest’s year-around direct domestic flight schedule from Boston to just seven cities– the line’s two major ‘hubs’ in Detroit and Minneapolis, plus Chicago, Seattle, and Memphis." I remember the days of frequent service, BOS<->SFO, cut months before BOS<->LAX. It looks like Northwest is really scaling back at Logan. –Dan — Daniel Drath ‘95

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>I wonder how long NW will continue to fly BOS-AMS and BOS-LGW?

I’d be very surprised to see BOS-AMS ever vanish, because it’s a spoke in the KLM-NW hub at Schiphol. The BOS-LGW I’m less certain of.  Were it BOS-LHR they’d keep it forever. As it is it might still be important enough in the grand scheme of things—a "World Airline" "ought" to be flying routes like that. I bet one thing the KLM-NW combo would like is a NY-London route. There’s one way they could actually get one:  KLM controls (more or less) an airline called Air UK that’s staked its future on London Stansted.  Stansted is more or less their hub, although AMS is big in their system too. A flight NYC-London Stansted might work quite well, if supported by enough connecting flights at the Stansted end.  KLM could take a Martinair 767, dress it up in Air UK colors, and run it back and forth across the pond. Stansted’s supposed to be a nice airport, and the connections into London (and the high-tech area of East Anglia) are excellent, especially if you’re doing business around Liverpool St Station (and the City).  Traffic has yet to come to great levels there (I think they’re at a few million a year). Still, I wonder if Stansted might one day become a small hub in the NW-KLM system.  You could run the NW transatlantic flights in there too, with Air UK connections. RNA

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 HTR> Northwest is "de-emphasizing" the Boston minihub (they dropped their  HTR> flight to Glasgow, as well as a bunch of flights to Europe from  HTR> Boston).  RNA> I guess they have less need for it now that they are doing the KLM  RNA> thing.  Except for Britain, most other points in Europe can be  RNA> better served through Amsterdam than Boston.  And heck, I’d rather  RNA> connect in Amsterdam than Boston anyday. Unfortunately [for both NW and Boston], alot of people agree with you. NW spent alot of time and money building up their flights to Europe from Boston. They even had nonstops from many west coast cities as connectors. I was once flying from Seattle to Boston on a nonstop and there were people behind me who had just come in off of one of the NW transpacific routes and were connecting onward to a flight to Europe. Wow! Isn’t that the long way around?  RNA> Boston’s terminals really need an overhaul.  I’ve never liked  RNA> terminal E, terminal A is in sad shape (isn’t it supposed to be  RNA> replaced?) and terminal B’s not much to write home about either. Terminal A ["the Eastern Airlines terminal", which might explain why it's so DEAD] is out and out hell. CO does not take very good care of it. But never mind that, the layout is quite poor. Three seperate sterile zones, all of them about as big as my bedroom (i.e. a decent sized room but LOUSY for piping lots of people through). I believe Massport has taken over the operation of Terminal A and has scheduled it for renovations. whoopdedo. Terminal E is also horrible. Or, I should say, it’s *passable* from 6am-4pm and 10pm-midnight, but between 4pm-10pm it’s *hell* due to the redeyes to Europe. But it was never meant to take the kind of traffic that occurs during the process of the redeyes. My personal favourite in Logan is Terminal C (of course . It’s well laid out (OK, the UA piddly gates kind of suck, but I don’t fly UA and is stocked with amenities (a real food court. now all they need to do is fix up the gift shops. they’ve also got a REAL bookstore!). About the only "problem" that Terminal C has is that the baggage claim area is wide open — no tags are required to pick up bags. Of course, *all* of Logan is like that (not just Terminal C), but since Terminal C is my terminal of choice, it’s the one I care about the most  RNA> When is the long-awaited expansion of E supposed to occur? It’s part of the "Logan 2000" project. If you take Windows 95 as a benchmark, then it should be another 30 years or so.  RNA> Another thing they could do, to expand USAir’s side of terminal B  RNA> (so as to consolidate the shuttle in with the rest of the service)  RNA> would be to join the two sides of Terminal B together at the end,  RNA> and add some gates. I can’t see DL going for this. Right now DL has *the* prime shuttle gates (Terminal B, on the opposite side from USAir, but *right* on the main taxiway). If they allowed the two ends of B to be joined, DL would lose their "advantadge" in having the near-to-the-runway gates. And it would put USAir Shuttle and Delta Shuttle next door to each other. I’m not sure USAir would like that (since the DL shuttle does the most business and would probably steal away more. what would you take if given a choice: a decrepit 727-100 ["the screaming shorties"] or a newly refurbished 727-200A?).  RNA> Seems to me they’d just have to relocate the fire house (that is  RNA> sort of out there in the tarmac) which surely couldn’t be that  RNA> expensive.  Would also enhance flexibility of Terminal B, making the  RNA> two sides contiguous, so that airlines could "grow" from one side to  RNA> the other. The firehouse needs relocating anyways (IMHO). It’s not "central" enough to provide proper coverage.  RNA> And the road system needs work.  In particular they need to take a  RNA> hardline against people who stop at the terminals.  At San Jose they  RNA> have a cadre of officers just making sure people don’t stop, unless  RNA> their person is standing right there.  Works pretty well. Part of the Logan 2000 plan is to stop everyone but taxis, limos, and buses from going into the terminal roadway. Then they’d put a people mover going around all of the terminals to the MBTA Blue Line station, as well as to a "drop off point", where all cars dropping off people would have to stop at. I think it’s a grand idea (of course, I don’t own a car, I either take the T or a taxi to the airport). But there are lots of people who are whining about it. –Helen — Kapor Enterprises, Inc.                 Check out my homepage! –> Systems and Networks Administration     http://www.kei.com/homepages/hrose.html I like: DL, WN, Boeing                  I don’t like: NW, HP, Airbus

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: I was checking the airfares for BOS <-> LAX recently, and realized that my FF : airline Northwest no longer offers nonstop service between Boston and L.A. I don’t know what happened!  Last night I booked a seat (using one of my many remaining Fly-Writes), and discovered the same thing you did.  I took the 7PM with a connection at DTW.  But back to the question: when did the nonstop service end?  I can remember when NW had three nonstops per day, back in spring/summer 1993.  That was reduced to one, and now none.  What’s going on? The last time I flew NW LAX-BOS in September, the flight was full.  Jon, can you help us here? : Also, does anyone know what the prices and the service are like for Leisure : Air, between Boston and L.A.? Can’t tell you anything about Leisure, except that they fly A320 on the route. I can check the prices on EZ later.  Both UA and AA have three nonstops every day. Scott

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I was checking the airfares for BOS <-> LAX recently, and realized that my FF airline Northwest no longer offers nonstop service between Boston and L.A. I don’t like stopping in Detroit or MSP, but would like to continue getting FF miles from NW; does anyone know if NW would, perhaps, resume the service, say, in the summer when the demand is higher? Also, does anyone know what the prices and the service are like for Leisure Air, between Boston and L.A.?

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