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Well lets see everyone lies. I also have never seen a contract without a finished cost. I would never sign a contract without a finished cost either. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> you f**king ask what they are for before you sign the damned contract – if you > don’t know, then call a lawyer or tell them you want a lawyer to look at the > contract before you sign it > God forbid a car salesman would lie. Have you ever bought a car or what? > —
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> you f**king ask what they are for before you sign the damned contract – if you > don’t know, then call a lawyer or tell them you want a lawyer to look at the > contract before you sign it
God forbid a car salesman would lie. Have you ever bought a car or what? —
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> and you are not a very aware consumer if you allow yourself to be taken like you > suggest
Care to reply to my message a few more times? —
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This is usually the case, door to door only. When you go TO their turf, then you don’t have the option of 3 days, you went there of your own free will. Sure, it was your idea to let the person in your house, but, it is a different type thing. Somehow these guys/gals have entered your home by getting their foot in the door. Somehow the law allows for the fact that you have been taken in. Not so if you go to them, however there ARE Lemon laws.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’ve read that when making a major purchase, such as a house, there is a >"cooling off" period of 24 or 48 hours during which either party can change >their mind and call off the deal. Does anyone know the details of this? Does >it apply to car purchases? Does it vary from state to state. > No, this is not true. It only applies to items bought from door to door > salesmen. > If you decide to not buy you can make that decision within 3 days. Sure it > applies to cars if that salesman came to your house and you bought the car > from him. > It does not apply to items where you bought it from the store or off the lot,
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I would like to know that too. How about salesmen who when you tell them what you want, try to sell you something else? Funny, I see two cars, same make, and the salesman at my mentioning one of them says to me no, I have a better one. Sure enough the other one did look better. Funny, it did not qualify as to one I was looking for. Sure for a 94 it looked good. I did remark how "The paint is just like new." Funny before this the sales manager mentioned the owner put brand new tires on it just before trading the lot? Hmmmmm????
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve read that when making a major purchase, such as a house, there is a > "cooling off" period of 24 or 48 hours during which either party can change > their mind and call off the deal. Does anyone know the details of this? Does > it apply to car purchases? Does it vary from state to state. > I know in my state, its 3 buisness days. > — > ***Rick Jones*** > ***Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician/ASE Master/L-1*** > Personal webpage located at: > http://pweb.netcom.com/~ssauer40/webpage.htm > Second Page at: http://pweb.netcom.com/~ssauer40/second.html > There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americans… The one > absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing > all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all, would be to > permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.–T Roosevelt > The vice of capitalism is that it stands for the unequal sharing of > blessings; whereas the virtue of socialism is that it stands for the > equal sharing of misery.–Winston Churchill > The more is given, the less the people will work for themselves and the > less they work, the more their poverty will increase.–Leo Tolstoy > Welfare’s purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need > for its own existence.–Ronald Reagan > An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile–hoping it will eat him last. > Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety–Benjamin Franklin > When liberty is taken by force it can be restored by force. When it is > relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.
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and you are not a very aware consumer if you allow yourself to be taken like you suggest – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> and pray tell – how in the hell do you purchase something you don’t want!? you > are the one that signs the paperwork – no one holds a gun to your head – you > have a free-thinking mind that can do whatever you want – you can choose to > walk out of any situation you want to > It’s not hard, you give your credit card for a free trial issue of a magazine and > you get a 4 year subscription. You lease a car only to find out later that you > also paid for $100,00 worth of life insurance you don’t need. > —
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you f**king ask what they are for before you sign the damned contract – if you don’t know, then call a lawyer or tell them you want a lawyer to look at the contract before you sign it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Only if you sign a contract that you do not read first. Shame on > you. > When the contract says "Miscellaneous administration fees", explain to me how > you are to know what that is? > —
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In Oregon, if the dealer delivers the car to you. You have a 3 day period to return the car. If you pick it up at the dealer, you don’t have these 3 days. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > In Ontario, strictly speaking for car purchases the answer is no. > Since you walked into the dealership and not the dealer into your home, > once you sign the contract and put down a deposit it becomes a legally > binding contract. There are some instances (not cars) if a salesman > came into your home to sell something then a cooling off period may be > possible. Unless, you were drunk or not of sound mind or something and > the dealer knew this and knowingly entered into a contract with you, > you could have some grounds to break the contract within a certain time. > Good rule of thumb, don’t sign and put down down unless you are 100% > sure you want to enter the contract. > DJM > I’ve read that when making a major purchase, such as a house, there > is a > "cooling off" period of 24 or 48 hours during which either party can > change > their mind and call off the deal. Does anyone know the details of > this? Does > it apply to car purchases? Does it vary from state to state. > Before you buy.
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> and pray tell – how in the hell do you purchase something you don’t want!? you > are the one that signs the paperwork – no one holds a gun to your head – you > have a free-thinking mind that can do whatever you want – you can choose to > walk out of any situation you want to
It’s not hard, you give your credit card for a free trial issue of a magazine and you get a 4 year subscription. You lease a car only to find out later that you also paid for $100,00 worth of life insurance you don’t need. —
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> Only if you sign a contract that you do not read first. Shame on > you.
When the contract says "Miscellaneous administration fees", explain to me how you are to know what that is? —
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In Ontario, strictly speaking for car purchases the answer is no. Since you walked into the dealership and not the dealer into your home, once you sign the contract and put down a deposit it becomes a legally binding contract. There are some instances (not cars) if a salesman came into your home to sell something then a cooling off period may be possible. Unless, you were drunk or not of sound mind or something and the dealer knew this and knowingly entered into a contract with you, you could have some grounds to break the contract within a certain time. Good rule of thumb, don’t sign and put down down unless you are 100% sure you want to enter the contract. DJM > I’ve read that when making a major purchase, such as a house, there is a > "cooling off" period of 24 or 48 hours during which either party can change > their mind and call off the deal. Does anyone know the details of this? Does > it apply to car purchases? Does it vary from state to state.
Before you buy.
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and pray tell – how in the hell do you purchase something you don’t want!? you are the one that signs the paperwork – no one holds a gun to your head – you have a free-thinking mind that can do whatever you want – you can choose to walk out of any situation you want to WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND QUIT BLAMING SOCIETY FOR YOUR FUCKUPS!? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well sueing a dealership because you walked into it of your own free will > and purchased a car you did not want would not wash in a court in Kansas. > Dave > why does the government need to protect people who do not wear seat belts > and > then want to sue the manufacturers for the airbag not deploying, etc.!? > we are > a litigious society and that is why there are such asinine laws as we > have – > they protect the people who disobey laws more than they do those who obey > them! > > I don’t want to sound mean, but why does the Goverment need to protect > > people from going out and doing stupid things like purchasing an auto > they > > really do not need or want. This should be a rational judgement and if > the > > person cannot do that why should the government protect them. I could > see > > it if that person was approached by a salesperson and he did not go to > the > > dealership, but if they go to the dealership what is the difference of > that > > to that person going to best buy and buying a junk computer. > > Dave > > > It varies from state to state, but in the Peoples’ Republic of > > > Kalifornia, the dealers’ association was able to push through an > > > exemption for automobiles. > > > Our only recourse is the "lemon law".
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It really depends on the area you live in… and the dealer(s) you consider. I know a couple of dealers in NW Washington offer 72 hour refund and or exchange on any Late Model new or used vehicles. Check around.. talk to your dealers. Many dealers want you to be happy and will do what they can. They want you to recommend them to other people. If they arent willing to work with you, find another dealer who will. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve read that when making a major purchase, such as a house, there is a > "cooling off" period of 24 or 48 hours during which either party can change > their mind and call off the deal. Does anyone know the details of this? Does > it apply to car purchases? Does it vary from state to state.
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Well sueing a dealership because you walked into it of your own free will and purchased a car you did not want would not wash in a court in Kansas. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> why does the government need to protect people who do not wear seat belts and > then want to sue the manufacturers for the airbag not deploying, etc.!? we are > a litigious society and that is why there are such asinine laws as we have – > they protect the people who disobey laws more than they do those who obey them! > I don’t want to sound mean, but why does the Goverment need to protect > people from going out and doing stupid things like purchasing an auto they > really do not need or want. This should be a rational judgement and if the > person cannot do that why should the government protect them. I could see > it if that person was approached by a salesperson and he did not go to the > dealership, but if they go to the dealership what is the difference of that > to that person going to best buy and buying a junk computer. > Dave > > It varies from state to state, but in the Peoples’ Republic of > > Kalifornia, the dealers’ association was able to push through an > > exemption for automobiles. > > Our only recourse is the "lemon law".
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Thought I’d test the waters, so to speak, see if there is any interest in some parts from a running Mark I. There is another in the family, a ‘79, already cherry that I might get and we have a Mark II, ‘82 that is also fairly nice. I just got a greddy ‘86 Cressida that’s going to keep me busy for a while. The interior on the ‘80 in question is far from good; bad seats, dash, headliner and carpet, but the electronics and the mechanics are all OK. Also have spare top end for 5MEU, extra rear end for 86 Cressida; factory cassette tape deck, extra dash clocks for Mark I. I’m located in the sun drenched Willamette Valley, three blocks from the Post Office and a UPS drop off. Live Exuberantly, Tom
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why does the government need to protect people who do not wear seat belts and then want to sue the manufacturers for the airbag not deploying, etc.!? we are a litigious society and that is why there are such asinine laws as we have – they protect the people who disobey laws more than they do those who obey them! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I don’t want to sound mean, but why does the Goverment need to protect > people from going out and doing stupid things like purchasing an auto they > really do not need or want. This should be a rational judgement and if the > person cannot do that why should the government protect them. I could see > it if that person was approached by a salesperson and he did not go to the > dealership, but if they go to the dealership what is the difference of that > to that person going to best buy and buying a junk computer. > Dave > It varies from state to state, but in the Peoples’ Republic of > Kalifornia, the dealers’ association was able to push through an > exemption for automobiles. > Our only recourse is the "lemon law".
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> I’ve read that when making a major purchase, such as a house, there is a > "cooling off" period of 24 or 48 hours during which either party can change > their mind and call off the deal. Does anyone know the details of this? Does > it apply to car purchases? Does it vary from state to state.
In California, cars are exempt. Impulse buyers learn from experience! Houses require "earnest money" up front which may or may not be returned by the seller. ff
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>I’ve read that when making a major purchase, such as a house, there is a >"cooling off" period of 24 or 48 hours during which either party can change >their mind and call off the deal. Does anyone know the details of this? Does >it apply to car purchases? Does it vary from state to state.
No, this is not true. It only applies to items bought from door to door salesmen. If you decide to not buy you can make that decision within 3 days. Sure it applies to cars if that salesman came to your house and you bought the car from him. It does not apply to items where you bought it from the store or off the lot,
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Bravo Dave my sentiments exactly! I wouldn’t spend a plug nickel on any television evangelist, psychics, herbal remedies or any other junk but your right to indulge in this garbage unhampered. . . now there is something I would stand up for! But after you’ve made the dumb decision don’t look for "Big Brother" to bail you out.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t want to sound mean, but why does the Goverment need to protect > people from going out and doing stupid things like purchasing an auto they > really do not need or want. This should be a rational judgement and if the > person cannot do that why should the government protect them. I could see > it if that person was approached by a salesperson and he did not go to the > dealership, but if they go to the dealership what is the difference of that > to that person going to best buy and buying a junk computer. > Dave > It varies from state to state, but in the Peoples’ Republic of > Kalifornia, the dealers’ association was able to push through an > exemption for automobiles. > Our only recourse is the "lemon law".
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I’ve read that when making a major purchase, such as a house, there is a "cooling off" period of 24 or 48 hours during which either party can change their mind and call off the deal. Does anyone know the details of this? Does it apply to car purchases? Does it vary from state to state.
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> > I’ve read that when making a major purchase, such as a house, there is a > "cooling off" period of 24 or 48 hours during which either party can change > their mind and call off the deal. Does anyone know the details of this? Does > it apply to car purchases? Does it vary from state to state.
I may be wrong, but that type of law was put into effect due to inhome sales of things like siding and such years ago. I do not think it applies unless the person selling you a product does not solicit you. Such as you go into a dealership or you go look at a home I am not sure if it applies. It would apply if someone did come to you and solicit your business tho such as a saleserson calling you on the phone or giving you a presentation at your home and you did not ask them to come, but they asked to come. Its ment to prevent you from feeling pressure from having someone badger their way into your home to sell you something, not protect you from going on and making a bad purchase all on your own. With home loans its the law that both the person asking for the loan and the loan company( bank, Credit Union, Savings and Loan, or Finance Company) have a few days to think about your loan. This also applies for home improvement loans (2nd mortages). It would be best to check the local laws in your area. Dave
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It varies from state to state, but in the Peoples’ Republic of Kalifornia, the dealers’ association was able to push through an exemption for automobiles. Our only recourse is the "lemon law". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’ve read that when making a major purchase, such as a house, there is a >"cooling off" period of 24 or 48 hours during which either party can change >their mind and call off the deal. Does anyone know the details of this? Does >it apply to car purchases? Does it vary from state to state.
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I don’t want to sound mean, but why does the Goverment need to protect people from going out and doing stupid things like purchasing an auto they really do not need or want. This should be a rational judgement and if the person cannot do that why should the government protect them. I could see it if that person was approached by a salesperson and he did not go to the dealership, but if they go to the dealership what is the difference of that to that person going to best buy and buying a junk computer. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It varies from state to state, but in the Peoples’ Republic of > Kalifornia, the dealers’ association was able to push through an > exemption for automobiles. > Our only recourse is the "lemon law".
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> I’ve read that when making a major purchase, such as a house, there is a > "cooling off" period of 24 or 48 hours during which either party can change > their mind and call off the deal. Does anyone know the details of this? Does > it apply to car purchases? Does it vary from state to state.
I know in my state, its 3 buisness days. — ***Rick Jones*** ***Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician/ASE Master/L-1*** Personal webpage located at: http://pweb.netcom.com/~ssauer40/webpage.htm Second Page at: http://pweb.netcom.com/~ssauer40/second.html There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americans… The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.–T Roosevelt The vice of capitalism is that it stands for the unequal sharing of blessings; whereas the virtue of socialism is that it stands for the equal sharing of misery.–Winston Churchill The more is given, the less the people will work for themselves and the less they work, the more their poverty will increase.–Leo Tolstoy Welfare’s purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.–Ronald Reagan An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile–hoping it will eat him last. Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety–Benjamin Franklin When liberty is taken by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.
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