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I live in the country and have a 1 1/2 acre lot half of which is treed. I am on top of a hill. I have not checked average wind speeds but I would suspect that it is enough to justify windpower. I am thinking of a low power 400+ watts system to give me what I would need in the event of a winter power outage (Nova Scotia). I was browsing through the Air-X site and found what I was looking for. Assuming that I would spend $1000CDN for the wind generator, how much more would I need to spend if I wanted to tie the wind generator into my existing electrical system? For example, tower, inverter, batteries, electrical connections etc. Or, direct me to a site where I can make a list of all of the things that I need. Ron

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Hi Ron – greetings from Great Barrier Island. As a rough rule of thumb, a 400 watt windmill will adequately charge a 200 to 300 Ah 24v. battery bank as long as the wind is fairly brisk and fairly plentiful. This will give you a useful amount of power. You could hang a 2.5 kVA inverter on the battery bank and run most of your appliances, within reason – just not all at once. You should be able to watch television for a few hours and two or three lights. You should be able to run one or two computers for a couple of hours a day.  You should even have enough to run a microwave oven ocasionally (although briefly). You will have enough power to run aa small refrigerator full-time, and possibly a small freezer as well – you should plug it into a timer however so that it is on for only about a total of 2-3 hours (2-3 one-hour cycles) during the day and off at night. You will NOT be able to run a spa pool or an electric oven, or electric water heating! You’ve listed most of the things you will need to purchase… add in cable, a regulator for the windmill, and probably the most essential and useful item: a wall-mounted voltmeter in your lounge or kitchen so you can keep an eye on the state of your batteries. Add in a timer for the freezer. Replace all your incandescent lights with energy-saver fluorescents. Preferably, replace your computer monitors with LCD ones. Check the power consumption of your tv – if it uses more than 90 watts, replace it with something less hungry. I’d recommend at least a 24-volt sytem – less cable loss, lighter, cheaper cables. Get in the habit of turning lights off when not needed, and turning appliances off AT THE WALL when not in use and you’re well on the way to self-sufficiency. And – keep an eye on that meter! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I live in the country and have a 1 1/2 acre lot half of which is treed. > I am on top of a hill. I have not checked average wind speeds but I > would suspect that it is enough to justify windpower. > I am thinking of a low power 400+ watts system to give me what I would > need in the event of a winter power outage (Nova Scotia). I was browsing > through the Air-X site and found what I was looking for. > Assuming that I would spend $1000CDN for the wind generator, how much > more would I need to spend if I wanted to tie the wind generator into my > existing electrical system? For example, tower, inverter, batteries, > electrical connections etc. > Or, direct me to a site where I can make a list of all of the things > that I need. > Ron

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   >Newsgroups: alt.energy.homepower    >I live in the country and have a 1 1/2 acre lot half of which is    >treed. I am on top of a hill. I have not checked average wind    >speeds but I would suspect that it is enough to justify windpower. Hi Ron. Wind speed is not the most important factor.  Consistency is.  I live where it is thought to be fiercely windy.  When it blows, it is memorable.  But it seldom blows enough to be useful. I have an Air 403 turbine, and mostly it is my $500 weather vane. Some howling nights it earns its keep, but they aren’t often.  Take lots of data before buying. The turbine does some howling of its own, by the way.  Mount it downwind from your house.  It will need to clear obstructions by a fair bit, like 25 feet.  Tower.  I wouldn’t mount it on the roof – vibration and mechanical racket. Here, sun is my powerful source, though maybe not in N.S. Charles Foot recommended a voltmeter mounted where it will grab your attention.  That as a minimum.  I use Tri-Metric integrating charge/ discharge meters on both my systems.  They cost, but tell so much more than a voltmeter. Tom Willmon near Mountainair, (mid) New Mexico, USA Net-Tamer V 1.12.0 – Registered

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Since nobody else answered your question. What you need is a grid-tie unit. A unit that will syncronize with the incoming frequency and lock to it. Here comes the bad news. Somewhere between $6K-$12K Canuck  buck. What they don’t tell you is that this stuff will never pay off at Canadian power rates usually unless you live to be 140 years old and have no maintenance costs. Not gonna’ happen. It’s an interesting hobby.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I live in the country and have a 1 1/2 acre lot half of which is treed. > I am on top of a hill. I have not checked average wind speeds but I > would suspect that it is enough to justify windpower. > I am thinking of a low power 400+ watts system to give me what I would > need in the event of a winter power outage (Nova Scotia). I was browsing > through the Air-X site and found what I was looking for. > Assuming that I would spend $1000CDN for the wind generator, how much > more would I need to spend if I wanted to tie the wind generator into my > existing electrical system? For example, tower, inverter, batteries, > electrical connections etc. > Or, direct me to a site where I can make a list of all of the things > that I need. > Ron

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I live in the country and have a 1 1/2 acre lot half of which is treed. >I am on top of a hill. I have not checked average wind speeds but I >would suspect that it is enough to justify windpower. >I am thinking of a low power 400+ watts system to give me what I would >need in the event of a winter power outage (Nova Scotia). I was browsing >through the Air-X site and found what I was looking for. >Assuming that I would spend $1000CDN for the wind generator, how much >more would I need to spend if I wanted to tie the wind generator into my >existing electrical system? For example, tower, inverter, batteries, >electrical connections etc. >Or, direct me to a site where I can make a list of all of the things >that I need. >Ron

My suggestion doesn’t satisfy your needs but if I could install a windpower setup I would stay way from batteries. I use electricity to heath my water. As we know that accounts for a substantial share of domestic needs. I would design a system that would preheat the water going into my hot water tank. With 2 or more elements that can be switched to a number of series/parallel combinations ,dynamically tuning to  the most efficient load to my generator. The system could be expanded to feed a hot water heating system and one light on the living room that would only be ON when all other requirements are satisfied. One should remember that all the power that goes into a lamp of any kind it’s converted into heat. Lamps are very good heaters. As heathers they give us light at zero cost. Vlad

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I live in the country and have a 1 1/2 acre lot half of which is treed. >I am on top of a hill. I have not checked average wind speeds but I >would suspect that it is enough to justify windpower. >I am thinking of a low power 400+ watts system to give me what I would >need in the event of a winter power outage (Nova Scotia). I was browsing >through the Air-X site and found what I was looking for. >Assuming that I would spend $1000CDN for the wind generator, how much >more would I need to spend if I wanted to tie the wind generator into my >existing electrical system? For example, tower, inverter, batteries, >electrical connections etc. >Or, direct me to a site where I can make a list of all of the things >that I need. >Ron > My suggestion doesn’t satisfy your needs but if I could install a > windpower setup I would stay way from batteries. > I use electricity to heath my water. As we know that accounts for a > substantial share of domestic needs. > I would design a system that would preheat the water going into my hot > water tank. With 2 or more elements that can be switched to a number > of series/parallel combinations ,dynamically tuning to  the most > efficient load to my generator. > The system could be expanded to feed a hot water heating system and > one light on the living room that would only be ON when all other > requirements are satisfied. > One should remember that all the power that goes into a lamp of any > kind it’s converted into heat. Lamps are very good heaters. As > heathers they give us light at zero cost. > Vlad

He is asking about a back up system, not a water heater.  Batteries may well be needed. He needs to study what is needed and not accept any random advice until he knows exactly what he is doing.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >I live in the country and have a 1 1/2 acre lot half of which is treed. > >I am on top of a hill. I have not checked average wind speeds but I > >would suspect that it is enough to justify windpower. > >I am thinking of a low power 400+ watts system to give me what I would > >need in the event of a winter power outage (Nova Scotia). I was browsing > >through the Air-X site and found what I was looking for. > >Assuming that I would spend $1000CDN for the wind generator, how much > >more would I need to spend if I wanted to tie the wind generator into my > >existing electrical system? For example, tower, inverter, batteries, > >electrical connections etc. > >Or, direct me to a site where I can make a list of all of the things > >that I need. > >Ron > My suggestion doesn’t satisfy your needs but if I could install a > windpower setup I would stay way from batteries. > I use electricity to heath my water. As we know that accounts for a > substantial share of domestic needs. > I would design a system that would preheat the water going into my hot > water tank. With 2 or more elements that can be switched to a number > of series/parallel combinations ,dynamically tuning to  the most > efficient load to my generator. > The system could be expanded to feed a hot water heating system and > one light on the living room that would only be ON when all other > requirements are satisfied. > One should remember that all the power that goes into a lamp of any > kind it’s converted into heat. Lamps are very good heaters. As > heathers they give us light at zero cost. > Vlad >He is asking about a back up system, not a water heater.  Batteries may well be >needed. >He needs to study what is needed and not accept any random advice until he >knows exactly what he is doing.

I know, that is why I said " My suggestion doesn’t satisfy your needs but if I could install a windpower setup I would stay way from batteries. I was just fishing for opinions on the subject. Vlad

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Ah! Homemade bread! If there are any low-carb recipes, I’d love to have them. We’ve already got the machine. I used to help my mom and my wife with the kneading because, with my strength, I could get it done better / faster. Of course, my "payment" was a thick slice of the still warm heel slathered in fresh farm butter. Add a glass of 100 yard milk ( 100 yards to the cow) and I was in heaven. Ah . . .memories . . . . ( sigh…) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi there Julie, > Like you, I used to make my own bread by hand, and enjoyed the > kneading.  I’m no longer physically able to do that, but found that > a bread maker does all the hard work for me. > As for ingredients,  basically all you need is plain flour, a little > salt, a teasp. of sugar, yeast (plain granulated freeze dried has no > additives), and water.  You could experiment with less sugar, but it > does need some to activate the yeast quickly.  (Watch out for yeast > *mixes* and bread mixes. They have things in them called "bread > improvers" that would defeat your purpose). I have yet to find a > commercially made bread in Oz that hasn’t got lots of things in it > that *I* don’t want to eat. > My favourite brand of bread maker is the Panasonic, but there’s > quite a few brands around. > As for the space to put the machine, it’s usually fairly compact, > depending on the brand, and it doesn’t have to be on a bench in the > kitchen, even if that is the most convenient place for it.  All it > needs is a steady flat surface and a nearby power point.  Even the > floor. One of the nice things is that you can set the timer to make > the bread overnight while you sleep.  Another lovely aspect is that > it takes about 3 to 5 mins to just throw ALL the ingredients in the > bin, set the timer, and push start.  That’s it.  The only thing left > to do is to tip out the fresh bread when it’s cooked. > Oh yes, and test your bg after having a slice.  It’s much denser > than commercially made bread,  so be careful re the carb count.  It > can be really difficult to stop at just one slice too! > Actually the last item is why I’m not making it anymore.  It spikes > me. One day I might experiment with various fibres to see if that > helps, but haven’t tried yet. > Others here *have* posted their recipes if you want to try some. > Annette >>>Breadmaker does not take up that much space. I use a breadman. >>Try this link for Breadman: >>http://www.esalton.com/store/application >Well, they don’t look at large, but I still don’t know where I > would be able >to put one.  I have to go make cookies soon for an event on Wed., > and I put >a card table in the kitchen so I can work.  I very little counter > space! >– >Type 2 >http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

– — Budd Cochran <www.cyber-stalking.net>

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> Ah! Homemade bread! > If there are any low-carb recipes, I’d love to have them. We’ve already > got the machine.

According to Weight Watchers the more fiber you add, the less points (methinks).

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>Homemade bread is just so delicious that I am really tempted to > eat more than I ought to.   Just too tempting.  The smell alone is enough to > drive you to a major cheat!

Used to kneed my own. Then stopped. My neighbor then told me how his neighbor was baking his own bread AND LOOSING A LOT OF WEIGHT! So, I bought a bread machine and started eating lots of thick slices. But, I did not lose weight! Finally I asked my neighbor’s neighbor, who is also my neighbor, how he lost weight by baking his own bread. He would bake it, slice it and freeze it. Instead of eating a loaf a day, like me, my neighbor’s neighbor, who is also my neighbor, was only eating a couple of slices , toasted from the freezer, a day.

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:> There are plenty of scratch recipes for a breadmaker.  Usually several :> come with the instructions for using the machine.  There are cookbooks :> just for the bread machine and the instruction book most likely will tell :> you how to adjust your recipes for the machine. : Hmmm…  Well, I do have a birthday coming up next month.  I shall have to : think about it.  Thanks! : — : Type 2 : http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ My breadmaker, which is an inexpensive one, has a little bucket in it in which you put the ingredients in the order specified and then put it into the machine, set it and off it goes.  That machine, itself does not need to be in the kitchen, as you do all the ingredient stuff in the bucket so food would not get all over the house (except for the crumbs your 4 year old may leave:-) Wendy Baker

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I buy the Wonder whole wheat bread, forty calories and it is about 14 net carbs for two slices,  I never read the ingredients because the total carbs is what is important,  This bread does not affect my bgs especially if I eat only one slice,  Do the ingredients really matter if the total carbs per slice is seven? Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.

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> In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

God that is complete bollocks. The US has been found guilty by the UN of sponsoring terrorism several times, most notably in Nicaragua but in many other places while Israel is as guilty as sin of many terrorist acts. Did you know both Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain were both recruited by the CIA? I find your sigfile extremely offensive. If you don’t believe my claims and have a fast net connection look up http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/special_reports/iraq_hard_place.html and the follow-up http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/special_reports/beyond_iraq_hard_pl… (video clips not up yet but soon). Yes, it’s very funny and some of the humour will be lost on the Americans given that they parody events in the UK news but there are plenty of cold hard facts that you may find very disturbing/enlightening. Phildo

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> Hi there Julie, > Like you, I used to make my own bread by hand, and enjoyed the > kneading.  I’m no longer physically able to do that, but found that > a bread maker does all the hard work for me. > As for ingredients,  basically all you need is plain flour, a little > salt, a teasp. of sugar, yeast (plain granulated freeze dried has no > additives), and water.  You could experiment with less sugar, but it > does need some to activate the yeast quickly.  (Watch out for yeast > *mixes* and bread mixes. They have things in them called "bread > improvers" that would defeat your purpose). I have yet to find a > commercially made bread in Oz that hasn’t got lots of things in it > that *I* don’t want to eat.

Oddly enough, I checked the remaining bag of Italian bread that I normally buy, and it doesn’t have soy or high fructose corn syrup in it.  I didn’t buy this bread yesterday because what they had on the shelf was soon to expire.  I just threw a loaf of this out because it went moldy and it was two days before its expiration date.  For some reason, bread doesn’t seem to keep very well here.  I know I could freeze or refrigerate it, but I don’t like what that does to the texture of it. > My favourite brand of bread maker is the Panasonic, but there’s > quite a few brands around.

I have had other appliances of that brand.  All very good! > As for the space to put the machine, it’s usually fairly compact, > depending on the brand, and it doesn’t have to be on a bench in the > kitchen, even if that is the most convenient place for it.  All it > needs is a steady flat surface and a nearby power point.  Even the > floor. One of the nice things is that you can set the timer to make > the bread overnight while you sleep.  Another lovely aspect is that > it takes about 3 to 5 mins to just throw ALL the ingredients in the > bin, set the timer, and push start.  That’s it.  The only thing left > to do is to tip out the fresh bread when it’s cooked.

Cool!  I will have to look at them. > Oh yes, and test your bg after having a slice.  It’s much denser > than commercially made bread,  so be careful re the carb count.  It > can be really difficult to stop at just one slice too!

That’s another thing that worried me.  When I buy commercial bread, I know how many carbs are in it.  I have made bread in my crockpot.  It’s really easy to make and delicous, but I have no idea what the carb count is.  I’ll bet it’s a lot. > Actually the last item is why I’m not making it anymore.  It spikes > me. One day I might experiment with various fibres to see if that > helps, but haven’t tried yet. > Others here *have* posted their recipes if you want to try some.

Thanks! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> Julie, I have a bread machine and I haven’t used it in a while.   The > reason?   Homemade bread is just so delicious that I am really tempted to > eat more than I ought to.   Just too tempting.  The smell alone is enough to > drive you to a major cheat!

That’s why I quit baking bread.  It wasn’t me eating the whole loaf, but other people.  People would just mysteriously drop by whenever I baked bread.  One friend actually showed up one day with butter and a knife!  *L* He and another friend wolfed down all of the freshly baked bread while I was doing laundy.  Seemed like so much work and I wasn’t getting to taste the results.  *L* > There are a number of good machines out there, and they really do make it > easy.   All you really need is flour, a rubber spatula, yeast packets (keep > in the fridge) and a bit of salt and sugar and milk.   The flour does take > up room.   Most people keep those ingredients on hand anyway.

I don’t usually keep much flour or sugar around any more.  When I need it, I try to buy just what I need and no extra.  And when my husband isn’t home, I don’t buy much milk.  I don’t drink it any my daughter no longer likes it. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Homemade bread is just so delicious that I am really tempted to > eat more than I ought to.   Just too tempting.  The smell alone is enough to > drive you to a major cheat! > Used to kneed my own. > Then stopped. > My neighbor then told me how his neighbor was baking his own bread AND > LOOSING A LOT OF WEIGHT! > So, I bought a bread machine and started eating lots of thick slices. But, I > did not lose weight! > Finally I asked my neighbor’s neighbor, who is also my neighbor, how he lost > weight by baking his own bread. > He would bake it, slice it and freeze it. Instead of eating a loaf a day, > like me, my neighbor’s neighbor, who is also my neighbor, was only eating a > couple of slices , toasted from the freezer, a day.

Exactly. This is why I have to avoid bread completely. It’s my favorite food and I only want the best.  I think I better avoid these "Bread" posts, too! Jan

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> What does this have to do with bread?

Nothing. I just find that sigfile highly offensive. Phildo

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> I buy the Wonder whole wheat bread, forty calories and it is about 14 > net carbs for two slices,  I never read the ingredients because the > total carbs is what is important,  This bread does not affect my bgs > especially if I eat only one slice,  Do the ingredients really matter if > the total carbs per slice is seven? > Loretta

Not necessarily, only in that whole grain products are recommended as being beneficial in controlling blood glucose. Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. > God that is complete bollocks. The US has been found guilty by the UN of > sponsoring terrorism several times, most notably in Nicaragua but in many > other places while Israel is as guilty as sin of many terrorist acts. Did > you know both Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain were both recruited by the > CIA? I find your sigfile extremely offensive. > If you don’t believe my claims and have a fast net connection look up > http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/special_reports/iraq_hard_place.html and > the follow-up > http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/special_reports/beyond_iraq_hard_pl… > (video clips not up yet but soon). Yes, it’s very funny and some of the > humour will be lost on the Americans given that they parody events in the UK > news but there are plenty of cold hard facts that you may find very > disturbing/enlightening. > Phildo

What does this have to do with bread? Does breadman make Matzo ?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > The ingredients come in a box? > You can buy machine-bread mix, or you can use "regular ingredients" which > is > what I do. > You don’t have to keep the bread machine in the kitchen. You can just dump > the ingredients in the pan (which comes out of the machine) and take it to > the machine somewhere else in the house — I’m considering this system to > free up some counter space. I’m not sure of the wattage involved, but the > only problem would be if it’s high and you overload a circuit. > You can also have the machine to "dough only" — it does the mixing, > initial > kneading & rising. Then you dump it out and knead & shape, let rise & > bake. > Less mess in the kitchen! but you still do some of the work. If you don’t > mind sticking around, you could stop the machine before the rise begins, > so > the machine just does the messy mixing for you. > Have fun with it! > Thanks!  I do have a lot of unused space in my dining room so perhaps I > could put one in there.  This silly apartment used to be two apartments. So > some of my rooms are rather small while others are stupidly large.  Ah, > well.  At least it isn’t purple!  *L* > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

Julie, I have a bread machine and I haven’t used it in a while.   The reason?   Homemade bread is just so delicious that I am really tempted to eat more than I ought to.   Just too tempting.  The smell alone is enough to drive you to a major cheat! There are a number of good machines out there, and they really do make it easy.   All you really need is flour, a rubber spatula, yeast packets (keep in the fridge) and a bit of salt and sugar and milk.   The flour does take up room.   Most people keep those ingredients on hand anyway. Regards, Evelyn

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Hi there Julie, Like you, I used to make my own bread by hand, and enjoyed the kneading.  I’m no longer physically able to do that, but found that a bread maker does all the hard work for me. As for ingredients,  basically all you need is plain flour, a little salt, a teasp. of sugar, yeast (plain granulated freeze dried has no additives), and water.  You could experiment with less sugar, but it does need some to activate the yeast quickly.  (Watch out for yeast *mixes* and bread mixes. They have things in them called "bread improvers" that would defeat your purpose). I have yet to find a commercially made bread in Oz that hasn’t got lots of things in it that *I* don’t want to eat. My favourite brand of bread maker is the Panasonic, but there’s quite a few brands around. As for the space to put the machine, it’s usually fairly compact, depending on the brand, and it doesn’t have to be on a bench in the kitchen, even if that is the most convenient place for it.  All it needs is a steady flat surface and a nearby power point.  Even the floor. One of the nice things is that you can set the timer to make the bread overnight while you sleep.  Another lovely aspect is that it takes about 3 to 5 mins to just throw ALL the ingredients in the bin, set the timer, and push start.  That’s it.  The only thing left to do is to tip out the fresh bread when it’s cooked. Oh yes, and test your bg after having a slice.  It’s much denser than commercially made bread,  so be careful re the carb count.  It can be really difficult to stop at just one slice too! Actually the last item is why I’m not making it anymore.  It spikes me. One day I might experiment with various fibres to see if that helps, but haven’t tried yet. Others here *have* posted their recipes if you want to try some. Annette

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Breadmaker does not take up that much space. I use a breadman. > Try this link for Breadman: > http://www.esalton.com/store/application > Well, they don’t look at large, but I still don’t know where I would be able > to put one.  I have to go make cookies soon for an event on Wed., and I put > a card table in the kitchen so I can work.  I very little counter space! > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> The ingredients come in a box?

You can buy machine-bread mix, or you can use "regular ingredients" which is what I do. You don’t have to keep the bread machine in the kitchen. You can just dump the ingredients in the pan (which comes out of the machine) and take it to the machine somewhere else in the house — I’m considering this system to free up some counter space. I’m not sure of the wattage involved, but the only problem would be if it’s high and you overload a circuit. You can also have the machine to "dough only" — it does the mixing, initial kneading & rising. Then you dump it out and knead & shape, let rise & bake. Less mess in the kitchen! but you still do some of the work. If you don’t mind sticking around, you could stop the machine before the rise begins, so the machine just does the messy mixing for you. Have fun with it! bj

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> There are plenty of scratch recipes for a breadmaker.  Usually several > come with the instructions for using the machine.  There are cookbooks > just for the bread machine and the instruction book most likely will tell > you how to adjust your recipes for the machine.

Hmmm…  Well, I do have a birthday coming up next month.  I shall have to think about it.  Thanks! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The ingredients come in a box? > You can buy machine-bread mix, or you can use "regular ingredients" which is > what I do. > You don’t have to keep the bread machine in the kitchen. You can just dump > the ingredients in the pan (which comes out of the machine) and take it to > the machine somewhere else in the house — I’m considering this system to > free up some counter space. I’m not sure of the wattage involved, but the > only problem would be if it’s high and you overload a circuit. > You can also have the machine to "dough only" — it does the mixing, initial > kneading & rising. Then you dump it out and knead & shape, let rise & bake. > Less mess in the kitchen! but you still do some of the work. If you don’t > mind sticking around, you could stop the machine before the rise begins, so > the machine just does the messy mixing for you. > Have fun with it!

Thanks!  I do have a lot of unused space in my dining room so perhaps I could put one in there.  This silly apartment used to be two apartments.  So some of my rooms are rather small while others are stupidly large.  Ah, well.  At least it isn’t purple!  *L* — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Julie, I have a Sunbeam 1 1/2 – 2 lb machine.  Actually I have two.  One makes the tall loaf, the other makes the wide loaf — I’m spoiled, ;> Actually, hubby is spoiled now.  Anyway.  They currently sit side by side on an old microwave stand in my dining room.  The tall one takes up about the width of a two slice toaster and the height of my coffee maker.  The wide one about the width of a toaster oven.  My point, they do take up space. And so do the ingredients.  However, if you have  equipment such as a deep fryer, a spaghetti / noodle / tall steamer that you can insert other equipment into and stack, that’s a thought.  Bread maker can happily churn away on the bedroom floor once you’ve added the ingredients.  Just keep it away from curtains ; > The breadmaker is a delight. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Have > > been very tempted to get a bread maker, but my kitchen is so small that >I > > have no place to put one, much less the ingredients to make it with. > Breadmaker does not take up that much space. I use a breadman. >http://www.esalton.com/store/application;JSESSIONID_WLCS_COMMERCE=2AS… >1Y1MzP7kCA1Q6r1qvVLEuTF4UE4s2XXv187MENar2E!42002279!169085492!7501!7502!19 80 >277292!169085491!7501!7502?namespace=esalton_main&origin=itemsummary.jsp&e ve >nt=link.details&wlcs_catalog_item_sku=TR444&wlcs_catalog_category_id=8&wlc s_ >document_type=details&com.bea.event.type%3Dcom.bea.product.click.event%26c om >.bea.event.userid%3Dnull%26com.bea.event.documentid%3DBREADMAN%26%23174%3B +B >READ+MACHINE%26com.bea.event.documenttype%3Dnull%26com.bea.event.sku%3DTR4 44 > The ingredients come in a box. The smell of baked bread is WONDERFUL! >The ingredients come in a box?  I don’t think I’d bother then.  I like to >make things from scratch.  Mixes usually have things in them I’d rather not >eat.  I guess I just assumed that I could use the same ingredients I would >make when making bread from scratch, but that the machine would help to do >some of the time consuming things for me like the mixing and kneading. >Actually, I like doing the kneading, but don’t really have the time to do >all that.

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Laura.  What a novel way to "make  happy" in the bedroom, :)  Memory

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:> > Have :> > been very tempted to get a bread maker, but my kitchen is so small that : I :> > have no place to put one, much less the ingredients to make it with. :> :> Breadmaker does not take up that much space. I use a breadman. :> :> : http://www.esalton.com/store/application;JSESSIONID_WLCS_COMMERCE=2AS… :> : 1Y1MzP7kCA1Q6r1qvVLEuTF4UE4s2XXv187MENar2E!42002279!169085492!7501!7502!198 0 :> : 277292!169085491!7501!7502?namespace=esalton_main&origin=itemsummary.jsp&ev e :> : nt=link.details&wlcs_catalog_item_sku=TR444&wlcs_catalog_category_id=8&wlcs _ :> : document_type=details&com.bea.event.type%3Dcom.bea.product.click.event%26co m :> : .bea.event.userid%3Dnull%26com.bea.event.documentid%3DBREADMAN%26%23174%3B+ B :> : READ+MACHINE%26com.bea.event.documenttype%3Dnull%26com.bea.event.sku%3DTR44 4 :> :> :> :> The ingredients come in a box. The smell of baked bread is WONDERFUL! : The ingredients come in a box?  I don’t think I’d bother then.  I like to : make things from scratch.  Mixes usually have things in them I’d rather not : eat.  I guess I just assumed that I could use the same ingredients I would : make when making bread from scratch, but that the machine would help to do : some of the time consuming things for me like the mixing and kneading. : Actually, I like doing the kneading, but don’t really have the time to do : all that. : — : Type 2 : http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ There are plenty of scratch recipes for a breadmaker.  Usually several come with the instructions for using the machine.  There are cookbooks just for the bread machine and the instruction book most likely will tell you how to adjust your recipes for the machine. Wendy Baker-who one of these days will learn how to type better:-)

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> Have > been very tempted to get a bread maker, but my kitchen is so small that I > have no place to put one, much less the ingredients to make it with. > Breadmaker does not take up that much space. I use a breadman.

http://www.esalton.com/store/application;JSESSIONID_WLCS_COMMERCE=2AS… 1Y1MzP7kCA1Q6r1qvVLEuTF4UE4s2XXv187MENar2E!42002279!169085492!7501!7502!198 0 277292!169085491!7501!7502?namespace=esalton_main&origin=itemsummary.jsp&ev e nt=link.details&wlcs_catalog_item_sku=TR444&wlcs_catalog_category_id=8&wlcs _ document_type=details&com.bea.event.type%3Dcom.bea.product.click.event%26co m .bea.event.userid%3Dnull%26com.bea.event.documentid%3DBREADMAN%26%23174%3B+ B READ+MACHINE%26com.bea.event.documenttype%3Dnull%26com.bea.event.sku%3DTR44 4 > The ingredients come in a box. The smell of baked bread is WONDERFUL!

The ingredients come in a box?  I don’t think I’d bother then.  I like to make things from scratch.  Mixes usually have things in them I’d rather not eat.  I guess I just assumed that I could use the same ingredients I would make when making bread from scratch, but that the machine would help to do some of the time consuming things for me like the mixing and kneading. Actually, I like doing the kneading, but don’t really have the time to do all that. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> Breadmaker does not take up that much space. I use a breadman. > Try this link for Breadman: > http://www.esalton.com/store/application

Well, they don’t look at large, but I still don’t know where I would be able to put one.  I have to go make cookies soon for an event on Wed., and I put a card table in the kitchen so I can work.  I very little counter space! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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> Breadmaker does not take up that much space. I use a breadman.

Try this link for Breadman: http://www.esalton.com/store/application

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Today, I realized that the bread you buy in the grocery store now has high fructose corn syrup in it.  And it may have been this way for a while, but I just didn’t notice.  I only noticed this today when I picked up a package of "light" English Muffins.  They have only 22g of carb per muffin, so I scanned the ingredients to see what they had in them.  Was surprised to see high fructose corn syrup listed.  These were a cheap brand.  I then picked up the Thomas brand only to discover that they too had the stuff in them.  I also needed bread for sandwiches.  To my dismay, that stuff appears to be rampant in the various brands of bread.  I was pressed for time today and didn’t have time to look at every loaf in the store. Does anyone know of a bread that doesn’t contain this stuff?  Most of it has soy in it too and I don’t want that either.  But it would appear that soy may be even more difficult to avoid than the corn syrup. I do love making my own bread, although I haven’t done it for years.  Have been very tempted to get a bread maker, but my kitchen is so small that I have no place to put one, much less the ingredients to make it with. Aargh!  I’m beginning to think that the only safe things to eat are vegetables, eggs and cheese! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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> Have > been very tempted to get a bread maker, but my kitchen is so small that I > have no place to put one, much less the ingredients to make it with.

Breadmaker does not take up that much space. I use a breadman. http://www.esalton.com/store/application;JSESSIONID_WLCS_COMMERCE=2AS… 1Y1MzP7kCA1Q6r1qvVLEuTF4UE4s2XXv187MENar2E!42002279!169085492!7501!7502!198 0 277292!169085491!7501!7502?namespace=esalton_main&origin=itemsummary.jsp&ev e nt=link.details&wlcs_catalog_item_sku=TR444&wlcs_catalog_category_id=8&wlcs _ document_type=details&com.bea.event.type%3Dcom.bea.product.click.event%26co m .bea.event.userid%3Dnull%26com.bea.event.documentid%3DBREADMAN%26%23174%3B+ B READ+MACHINE%26com.bea.event.documenttype%3Dnull%26com.bea.event.sku%3DTR44 4 The ingredients come in a box. The smell of baked bread is WONDERFUL!

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Fellows I want to thank you for the stories about the kitchen stoves. I’m going to have my wife read them and maybe – - – just maybe I will quit getting the occasional jab about the set of Ford 429 pistons she found in the dishwasher. And that happened 20 odd years ago!!!! Or, for that matter, the long past but definitely not forgotten, matter of annealing rifle brass in the oven.   8-) Best Mike N

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thanks charles Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Chuck > try this link > http://www.megastrike.com/index.htm > A pro at the local outdoor was describing this "scent" that doesnt stink. > I am ordering some to try and I am almost certain that it is less > expensive > than the divorce you would pay for if you try a DIY project in the > kitchen. > Steeve >   Megastrike does stink! It’s quite strong too!  It smells like a blend of > Bang and Berkley Powerbait. It stays on even after you bring in a fish. But, > scents are futile to some. So having a scent that stays on longer is "extra" > futile. Until the fish can speak, I  am banking on that bass can smell and > taste just like every other creature can. Of course, you may run into some > bass with a sinus infection. That’s when you should switch from using Alka > Seltzer in your tubes, to Alka Seltzer Cold Plus. Night fisherman like Al > should put Nyquil on their lures during flu season. Of course, Al would > probably drink it all before he got to his keyboard and pretended to be a > fisherman. > Charlie

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Has anyone tried making a gel out of their liquid fish attractant? Seems like you could add some corn starch and it would thicken up. Chuck — Freezone Freeware: http://chuckr.bravepages.com http://freezone.darksoft.co.nz 900+ programs in 40+ categories. Links to 450+ free Delphi controls in 20+ categories!

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>Has anyone tried making a gel out of their liquid fish >attractant? Seems like you could add some corn starch and it >would thicken up. >Chuck

I have not tried it, but I know others who have taken petroleum jelly, melted it in a pot, added the scent, and then poured it in bottles.  Worked great for them. Brad "You took the fall and thought of me, above all." – Michael W. Smith

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Hope you’re not married Chuck. If you are, I can see your wife smacking you upside the head with a cast iron skillet for stinking up the house. Maybe some unflavored jello would work too. If you survive, let us know how it turns out. Bobby

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Has anyone tried making a gel out of their liquid fish > attractant? Seems like you could add some corn starch and it > would thicken up. > Chuck > — > Freezone Freeware: http://chuckr.bravepages.com > http://freezone.darksoft.co.nz > 900+ programs in 40+ categories. Links to 450+ free Delphi > controls in 20+ categories!

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It seems this would also work in an old mustard squeeze bottle (if you don’t thicken it to much)  Bill P. I have not tried it, but I know others who have taken petroleum jelly, melted it in a pot, added the scent, and then poured it in bottles.  Worked great for them. Brad "You took the fall and thought of me, above all." – Michael W. Smith

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OMG Warren — http://www.fishingworld.com/MesaTackleSupply/ http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com http://warrenwolk.com/ http://www.secretweaponlures.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Then I melted some Power Worms to pour in my plastic to add some > scent/flavor. > Then the wife came home from the store……. > That’s why I USED to make my own baits. > Power Bait smells 1000000 times stronger when heated and melted. > I survived though, but I buy all my worms now. > If you really want to get "THE LOOK", trying boiling a wild boar head in her > favorite stock pot on top of the kitchen stove.  It’s pretty intense and I > was stunned for several minutes….. > — > Steve > OutdoorFrontiers > http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com > G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods > http://www.herefishyfishy.com

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LMAO Brad.  My buddy splattered chartreuse Spike-It all over his wife’s *new* kitchen. Can you imagine? Warren — http://www.fishingworld.com/MesaTackleSupply/ http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com http://warrenwolk.com/ http://www.secretweaponlures.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I can see your wife smacking you >upside the head with a cast iron skillet for stinking up the house. > I USED to pour my own zipper worms. > I USED to heat the liquid plastic in the microwave and then add color, glitter > etc. and then pour. > Worked great and did not smell too bad with the window slightly open for > venting. > Then I melted some Power Worms to pour in my plastic to add some scent/flavor. > Then the wife came home from the store……. > That’s why I USED to make my own baits. > Power Bait smells 1000000 times stronger when heated and melted. > I survived though, but I buy all my worms now. > Brad > "You took the fall and thought of me, above all." – Michael W. Smith

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> Chuck > try this link > http://www.megastrike.com/index.htm > A pro at the local outdoor was describing this "scent" that doesnt stink. > I am ordering some to try and I am almost certain that it is less expensive > than the divorce you would pay for if you try a DIY project in the kitchen. > Steeve

  Megastrike does stink! It’s quite strong too!  It smells like a blend of Bang and Berkley Powerbait. It stays on even after you bring in a fish. But, scents are futile to some. So having a scent that stays on longer is "extra" futile. Until the fish can speak, I  am banking on that bass can smell and taste just like every other creature can. Of course, you may run into some bass with a sinus infection. That’s when you should switch from using Alka Seltzer in your tubes, to Alka Seltzer Cold Plus. Night fisherman like Al should put Nyquil on their lures during flu season. Of course, Al would probably drink it all before he got to his keyboard and pretended to be a fisherman. Charlie

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Chuck try this link http://www.megastrike.com/index.htm A pro at the local outdoor was describing this "scent" that doesnt stink. I am ordering some to try and I am almost certain that it is less expensive than the divorce you would pay for if you try a DIY project in the kitchen. Steeve

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<snip> > If you really want to get "THE LOOK", trying boiling a wild boar head in her > favorite stock pot on top of the kitchen stove.  It’s pretty intense and I > was stunned for several minutes…..

I’m thinking that boiling ANY head on the kitchen stove could be intense. I’d pay lots for the picture though…. pat

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I can see your wife smacking you >upside the head with a cast iron skillet for stinking up the house. > I USED to pour my own zipper worms. > I USED to heat the liquid plastic in the microwave and then add color, glitter > etc. and then pour. > Worked great and did not smell too bad with the window slightly open for > venting. > Then I melted some Power Worms to pour in my plastic to add some scent/flavor. > Then the wife came home from the store……. > That’s why I USED to make my own baits. > Power Bait smells 1000000 times stronger when heated and melted.

That is no exaggeration…  Have done exactly the same thing with Power worms.  They almost made me sick…definitely a little queezy…   Last time I ever tried melting one of them suckers! — Andrew Kidd http://www.rofb.org – Official ROFB Newsgroup Site http://www.amiasoft.com – Home of SiteAid HTML Editor

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> Then I melted some Power Worms to pour in my plastic to add some scent/flavor. > Then the wife came home from the store……. > That’s why I USED to make my own baits. > Power Bait smells 1000000 times stronger when heated and melted. > I survived though, but I buy all my worms now.

If you really want to get "THE LOOK", trying boiling a wild boar head in her favorite stock pot on top of the kitchen stove.  It’s pretty intense and I was stunned for several minutes….. — Steve OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com

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>I can see your wife smacking you >upside the head with a cast iron skillet for stinking up the house.

I USED to pour my own zipper worms. I USED to heat the liquid plastic in the microwave and then add color, glitter etc. and then pour. Worked great and did not smell too bad with the window slightly open for venting. Then I melted some Power Worms to pour in my plastic to add some scent/flavor. Then the wife came home from the store……. That’s why I USED to make my own baits. Power Bait smells 1000000 times stronger when heated and melted. I survived though, but I buy all my worms now. Brad "You took the fall and thought of me, above all." – Michael W. Smith

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Do a Quick search for "Smelly Jelly" on the web.  They make a sticky paste that stays on and comes in several "flavors". Best Mike N

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Planning  a trip to St. Thomas in May.  Is the eastern end  a good pace to stay? Is there anything to do in Red Hook-restuarants –entertainment? Also has anyone stayed at  the Elysian Beach Resort or Best Western Emerald Beach Resort?  Thanks for any help. Ron

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I enjoy the East End, its proximity to Red Hook for the ferry dock and the good dining.  Elysian is about 10 minutes from Red Hook on Cowpet Bay that it shares with Cowpet Condos and the Yacht Club.  There is a nice swimming beach, a beach grille, Bonnie’s, and a new restaurant, Robert’s, located there.  Some of the units are timeshare and other are primary residences for those living on the island or privately owned and rented out when not used by the owners.  There is a small workout room, a tennis court, pool and jacuzzi adjacent to the pool.  A small beach hut is on the beach for renting water toys, arranging trips and excursions and the like.  It would be a good thing to rent a vehicle during your stay.  The  units are hillside and depending on the location can be lots of steps down to the beach but they are roomy and comfortable IMO.  The one bedroom combined with a livingroom (with a Murphy bed)/dining/full kitchen unit is ideal for one couple.   It is very quiet and shares amenities with the BeachClub and the Castle, other Cendant properties on the island.  There are plenty of good restaurants nearby and in Red Hook as well as some nitelift at bars like the Caribbean Saloon and Duffy’s.  The units can be configured to your needs with some having full kitchens, seperate bedrooms and some are lofts.  Most timeshare studios might have just a microwave and a minifridge in a one bedroom "studio." I woud choose it when comparing with the Emerald Beach which is located adjacent to the airport runway but on a nice beach.  It would be closer to Charlotte Amalie and French Town which has some great spots for dining also and some nitelife.

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Hi, We’re moving into a new house that has all black appliances in the kitchen (microwave, dishwasher, double-oven) and black granite counter-tops with maple cabinets. We’re shopping for a new refrigerator (we’re currently in an apartment) and were just wondering if we should go for stainless steel (to try and break up the monotony of all black appliances) or just go for black, to keep an overall consistency of color throughout the kitchen. It’s hard for us to visualize whether stainless steel will look out of place in the all black kitchen or not. Any advice would be appreciated.

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>…were just wondering if we should go for stainless steel (to try and break up >the monotony of all black appliances) or just go for black, to keep an >overall consistency…

Well, gee, if you want to break it up, go for stainless, if you want consistency, keep black.  This is merely a matter of taste, and it is *your* house.  I know what *I* would do, but so what, why should you do that.  (I think, too much black already…) >It’s hard for us to visualize whether stainless steel will look out of place >in the all black kitchen or not.

I kind of find that hard to believe, that it would be hard to visualize.  Many home stainless appliances have black on the control panels, sides, tops, trim, etc., so how hard can it be to visualize black and stainless together, they are commonly put together, go look at some stainless appliances and you can see black and stainless together right in the showroom. Its your house, do what pleases you. -v.

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I would go for the stainless.  Our kitchen is black and stainless and we absolutely love it.  To have a black refrigerator, I believe would be just too much black.  It needs to be broken up a bit.  I’d also go with the brushed stainless.  I’ve had both (shiny and brushed) and the brushed is by far easier to take care of.  It doesn’t show prints near as bad and doesn’t have to be polished as much as a shiny one would. Debbie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > We’re moving into a new house that has all black appliances in the kitchen > (microwave, dishwasher, double-oven) and black granite counter-tops with > maple cabinets. > We’re shopping for a new refrigerator (we’re currently in an apartment) and > were just wondering if we should go for stainless steel (to try and break up > the monotony of all black appliances) or just go for black, to keep an > overall consistency of color throughout the kitchen. > It’s hard for us to visualize whether stainless steel will look out of place > in the all black kitchen or not. > Any advice would be appreciated.

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> Hi, > We’re moving into a new house that has all black appliances in the kitchen > (microwave, dishwasher, double-oven) and black granite counter-tops with > maple cabinets.

<snip> > It’s hard for us to visualize whether stainless steel will look out of place > in the all black kitchen or not.

We have cherry cabinets with a copper range hood over the kitchen island.  We’ve been replacing appliances as they fail.  We preferred the black glass-top range (change from yellow standard electric) and black microwave built into the copper hood.  The latest change was an ivory (whatever it’s called these days) refrigerator.  A huge hunk of black there would have been over powering.  SWMBO, decided on the "ivory" fridge. My only job was to steer her into ones that fit.  ;-)   > Any advice would be appreciated.

We decided stainless wouldn’t fit our lifestyle.  Fingerprints and water spots are ugly.  We’re not going to be a slave to our house.  Anything that could make life more difficult than necessary isn’t wanted. —-   Keith

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Have one of those times that bring laughter years later? It was an otherwise boring Thursday night in May of 1979.  Susan was in bed. I was watching an HBO Comedy Special with Freddie Prinz (Chico and the Man) and decided I wanted some fresh popcorn.  We had one of those Sunbeam Hot Air Corn Poppers.  You know, the one with the little pocket you put a couple of pats of butter in and it would melt and drip on to the corn as it popped and went down the chute.  I’d never used that popper before.  I got it out of the cupboard.  Found the bag of good ol Orville.  The popper had an opening on the side opposite the chute and the words "Fill Here" and an arrow pointing up to this opening.  Now in my exuberance over operating this modern gadget I managed to insert a two letter word between the "Fill" and the "Here."  That two letter word was "TO."  Which I did.  I thought that was quite a bit of corn.  About a half of a pound.  But, have to follow the instructions on the machine, right?  Got down a medium sized bowl, put a few pats of butter in the bin and turned on the machine.  Stood in the doorway so I could see the TV in Living Room while I waited for my fresh popcorn. After a few minutes I glanced over at the popcorn popper and so the bowl was over-flowing just a tad.  Got down a larger bowl and switched it with the full on since corn was still popping.  Went into the Living Room and sat down to watch the comedians and munch my popcorn.  About 5 minutes went by and I wanted a Pepsi so I went to the kitchen to get one from the fridge. The popcorn popper was still popping and the large bowl was overflowing onto the counter and the floor.  I went over and looked, this time at the back of the popper where the "Fill Here" opening was.  That’s when I noticed that somehow the word "to" had disappeared, moved, melted or been stolen.  And… the intake tube was at least half full yet.  So, I got out the roasting pan. The one we use for the Thanksgiving Turkey when we are expecting a small infantry battalion for dinner.  Put it under the popper which I’d placed on a metal canister to raise it so the corn would fall into the roaster.  Got my Pepsi and went back to watching HBO.  To make things simple and short, I filled the roaster and the machine was still spewing out popcorn.  Got a Hefty Trash Can Liner to which I rigged a coat hanger and two glasses to keep it open and set the popper so it spewed into the trash can liner.  When the thing finally stopped popping (I knew exactly how Mickey felt in the Sorcerer’s Apprentice sequence in Fantasia) I dumped the roaster, the larger bowl and what I got from the counter and the floor into the trash can liner. That plastic bag was well over half full.  Susan asked the next morning where the big bag of popcorn had come from.  When I explained the events of the preceding evening she couldn’t, or wouldn’t, stop laughing for hours. Hey, I was voted best human in El Paso by the pigeons, ravens, wrens and swallows.  Those birds really like popcorn.  Even without butter or salt. Be well, Larry PS  Now all I use is the pre-bagged Pop Secret in the microwave.  Yes, I remove the cellophane wrapping first!

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larry, that sounded like an "i love lucy" episode. glad you’re feeling well enough to laugh. and to type all that! diane

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>PS  Now all I use is the pre-bagged Pop Secret in the microwave.  Yes, I >remove the cellophane wrapping first!

LOL… then don’t make the mistake I made of placing the little mistake-proof bag of popcorn directly on a plastic turntable thingy!  It has to be on a microwave-proof plate.  Ask how I know… I have this permanently blistered and cracked, mishapen turntable thingy.  (see, and you thought YOU messed stuff up!) LadyAndy Chat live with me at http://ivillagehealth.com/community/aolusers/pages/1,12910,538426_539… 0.html  (my chats are on Sun evenings at 10 ET) Joint Replacement Board at http://boards.ivillagehealth.com/messages/get/bhivhjointreplace1.html

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OMG Larry, did that bring back memories.  We have one of them machines yet too. Use it occassionally when we want really "good buttery popcorn LOL" nice to see you post hugs janers

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larry, that sounded like an "i love lucy" episode. glad you’re feeling well enough to laugh. and to type all that! diane ”i love lucy” was my first thought, too.LOL  Larry, bless you for sharing this with us.  i loved reading it and loved the laughter it brought to me. had to hold my side, i laughed so hard.  thank you. kate

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>When >the thing finally stopped popping (I knew exactly how Mickey felt in the >Sorcerer’s Apprentice sequence in Fantasia) I dumped the roaster, the larger >bowl and what I got from the counter and the floor into the trash can liner.

ROFL  I can just see it all.  Thanks for the story.  I needed a smile this morning.  (I bet Susan STILL makes fun of you, after all these years,because of it.  LOL) Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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LOL  That’s a great story Larry. Thanks for sharing it with us! (grumble, grumble, lucky Floridians, high of 20 F in Boston on Monday.   grumble, grumble, I miss the south!) — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me "To array a man’s will against his sickness is the supreme art of medicine." …Henry Ward Beecher

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thank you thank thank you—it was just what I needed and will cheer Michealle up as well–glad to know we have some partners in crime with this kind of stuff!! Alix

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> LOL… then don’t make the mistake I made of placing the little mistake-proof > bag of popcorn directly on a plastic turntable thingy!  It has to be on a > microwave-proof plate.  Ask how I know… I have this permanently blistered and > cracked, mishapen turntable thingy.  (see, and you thought YOU messed stuff > up!)

LOL, I can not count the number of "Cake Savers" that Susan has, during the course of our marriage, converted into crematoria containers for cakes as she forgets to check the oven before she "pre-heats" it.  Once those handy-dandy plastic tops get in the vicinity of 350 degrees F. they do some interesting things to the chocolate cake and frosting they were supposed to protect. Another "I used to" thing with me was putting dirty dishes into a load of cleaned dishes in the dishwasher.  Susan came up with a great idea that prevents me from doing it anymore.  It really does work!  She’s passed the tip on to all of our family and friends.  Here it is:  when you finish emptying the dishwasher the very first thing you do is put in the detergent for the next load.  Viola’  A mere glance at the inside of the door tells me that it is okay to add stuff to the thing or to get busy and remove/put away the clean dishes, add detergent and then put in the dirty dishes I have. Be well, all of you. Larry

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Oh, Larry, I have tears running down my cheeks.  That’s the best laugh I’ve had in ages.  I can picture it, too.  I’d love to have been there!! DeeTee DeeTee and Bob Taggart http://home.earthlink.net/~bdtaggart/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Have one of those times that bring laughter years later? > It was an otherwise boring Thursday night in May of 1979.  Susan was in bed. > I was watching an HBO Comedy Special with Freddie Prinz (Chico and the Man) > and decided I wanted some fresh popcorn.  We had one of those Sunbeam Hot > Air Corn Poppers.  You know, the one with the little pocket you put a couple > of pats of butter in and it would melt and drip on to the corn as it popped > and went down the chute.  I’d never used that popper before.  I got it out > of the cupboard.  Found the bag of good ol Orville.  The popper had an > opening on the side opposite the chute and the words "Fill Here" and an > arrow pointing up to this opening.  Now in my exuberance over operating this > modern gadget I managed to insert a two letter word between the "Fill" and > the "Here."  That two letter word was "TO."  Which I did.  I thought that > was quite a bit of corn.  About a half of a pound.  But, have to follow the > instructions on the machine, right?  Got down a medium sized bowl, put a few > pats of butter in the bin and turned on the machine.  Stood in the doorway > so I could see the TV in Living Room while I waited for my fresh popcorn. > After a few minutes I glanced over at the popcorn popper and so the bowl was > over-flowing just a tad.  Got down a larger bowl and switched it with the > full on since corn was still popping.  Went into the Living Room and sat > down to watch the comedians and munch my popcorn.  About 5 minutes went by > and I wanted a Pepsi so I went to the kitchen to get one from the fridge. > The popcorn popper was still popping and the large bowl was overflowing onto > the counter and the floor.  I went over and looked, this time at the back of > the popper where the "Fill Here" opening was.  That’s when I noticed that > somehow the word "to" had disappeared, moved, melted or been stolen. And… > the intake tube was at least half full yet.  So, I got out the roasting pan. > The one we use for the Thanksgiving Turkey when we are expecting a small > infantry battalion for dinner.  Put it under the popper which I’d placed on > a metal canister to raise it so the corn would fall into the roaster.  Got > my Pepsi and went back to watching HBO.  To make things simple and short, I > filled the roaster and the machine was still spewing out popcorn.  Got a > Hefty Trash Can Liner to which I rigged a coat hanger and two glasses to > keep it open and set the popper so it spewed into the trash can liner. When > the thing finally stopped popping (I knew exactly how Mickey felt in the > Sorcerer’s Apprentice sequence in Fantasia) I dumped the roaster, the larger > bowl and what I got from the counter and the floor into the trash can liner. > That plastic bag was well over half full.  Susan asked the next morning > where the big bag of popcorn had come from.  When I explained the events of > the preceding evening she couldn’t, or wouldn’t, stop laughing for hours. > Hey, I was voted best human in El Paso by the pigeons, ravens, wrens and > swallows.  Those birds really like popcorn.  Even without butter or salt. > Be well, > Larry > PS  Now all I use is the pre-bagged Pop Secret in the microwave.  Yes, I > remove the cellophane wrapping first!

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 > Could you be a little more specific on how long you bake "a little while" > and how long you nuke "a few minutes"?

Here’s the recipe as I made it before diagnosis.  So far my only change planned for my next batch is to use whole wheat tortillas, but the proportions of other ingredients can be readily changed. Breakfast Burritos 8 flour tortillas 12 eggs 1 green pepper 1 white onion 12oz hot breakfast sausage (bulk, or removed from skins) 12oz colby or medium cheddar cheese Chop onions and peppers in chunks about 1/4 inch.  Grease a hot frying pan and saute the onions and peppers along with the sausage, stirring often to break up the sausage.  Remove to a large mixing bowl, leaving as much of the oil and drippings in the pan as possible.  Add more oil if necessary and return the pan to the cooktop. Preheat the oven to 325. Whisk eggs in a bowl, then pour into the pan.  Stir almost constantly until eggs are evenly scrambled, then remove into the mixing bowl.  Grate the cheese and add to the bowl, then stir it all together until evenly mixed. Heat the tortillas in the oven for a few minutes until warm but not hot. Cover a cookie sheet with foil, then spray with non-stick coating.  Fill each tortilla with about 1/8 of the stuffing mixture, roll, then set seam-side-down on the cookie sheet.  Cook for about 10 minutes, until tortillas are hot but not uncomfortably so and cheese is gooey.  Serve immediately. You can also wrap them individually in Saran wrap, put into Ziploc bags, and freeze.  They’ll keep this way for at least a month or two.  Nuke one for about 2-3 minutes (just until it feels warm through — the time depends on how much you let it thaw first, and your microwave).  If you have access to a toaster oven, after the nuke put it in for 15 seconds under a heat of about 300 to make the tortilla a little crisper, if you prefer it that way. > It sounds like a great makeahead > meal. Have you tried cornmeal tortillas?

Nope.  I don’t think they would hold up to freezing as well; I think that after it’s thawed it’d be too crumbly.  That’s assuming you are referring to normal corn tortillas; if "cornmeal tortillas" is something else I’ve not heard of that actually uses cornmeal, maybe it’s different. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGP 7.0.4 Comment: Public key at http://hawthorn.mystarband.net/f-pgp.txt iQA/AwUBPcZfAqbqL6lCLyfTEQJ09gCgwF5oRTR108uBdMsYm9ArRdoTV1gAnizV QD8YoqyjiTHUX//fO0+bHll8 =OWde —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– — "It is more uplifting to find the beauty, wonder, spirituality, and reverence in what we can see, than to imagine they only exist in what we                    [[ Type 2, diagnosed 2002-10-04 ]]

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> Jennifer, > These sound great!  Any idea how long cooked eggs will keep in the > frig?

Not sure… I know I’ve kept them a week.  And I bet you could freeze them and nuke them when needed.  They sell frozen breakfast dishes with eggs in the supermarket. Jennifer

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writes: >I am new to the group.  Been diagnosed as Type II for over 2 years.  I am >not being very compliant but have resolved to try harder.  My most difficult >meal is breakfast.  I get up, shower, go to work and eat breakfast at my >desk.  Any suggestions for a good breakfast under these circumstances.  I am >a 55 year old male and am trying to stay on a 1700 calorie diabetic diet. >Thanks for any and all suggestions. >Wee laddie

Welcome to the group. A suggestion here. First eat before you shower and go to work. Make hard boiled eggs to eat or wrap ham around string cheese. Lots of ideas for quick and easy breakfasts. As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne Type 2  Diagnosed 05/28/02 189/164/120

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 > I get up, shower, go to work and eat breakfast at my > desk.  Any suggestions for a good breakfast under these circumstances.

That’s what I’ve always done, since long before my diagnosis.  (I can’t quite understand all these people who can eat immediately after getting up; I’m not hungry until at least 9.)  You didn’t say what kind of work situation you have, or what kinds of things you ate before.  I have a kitchen with a microwave available at my office, so I can have lots of different options. One good one that seems to agree with my BG meter is a breakfast burrito. Every few months I get lots of tortillas (whole wheat ones now), eggs, peppers, onions, hot breakfast sausage, and cheese, cook it all up, mix it together, roll it in the tortillas, bake it for a little while, then wrap them in Saran wrap, put them in Ziplocs, and freeze them.  I take one to work and nuke it for a few minutes and it’s a tasty and hearty breakfast with acceptably low carb levels.  I personally have no problem with cholesterol or blood pressure, so I don’t worry overmuch about the idea of having egg or cheese in there (the protein is better for me than the carbs it replaces), but you could easily use Egg Beaters, alter the proportions (increase the peppers and onions for instance), leave out some of the ingredients, or substitute stuff. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGP 7.0.4 Comment: Public key at http://hawthorn.mystarband.net/f-pgp.txt iQA/AwUBPcWbDKbqL6lCLyfTEQJRZQCdFW81+a71V9kIpItIPaMvJkZ9L3YAn0tt UNLMYAFkt2o6YxPru4oTOAoP =pteT —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– — "It is more uplifting to find the beauty, wonder, spirituality, and reverence in what we can see, than to imagine they only exist in what we                    [[ Type 2, diagnosed 2002-10-04 ]]

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Never liked the frozen scrammbled eggs. They taste too powdery for me. But oat meal is good before you go. You can make that in two minutes in the microwave. That is what I have twio times a week or more. Use quick oats. BG usuaully drops below breakfast late in day.

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> One good one that seems to agree with my BG meter is a breakfast burrito. > Every few months I get lots of tortillas (whole wheat ones now), eggs,

peppers, onions, hot breakfast sausage, and cheese, cook it all up, mix it together, roll it in the tortillas, bake it for a little while, then wrap them in Saran wrap, put them in Ziplocs, and freeze them.  I take one to work and nuke it for a few minutes and it’s a tasty and hearty breakfast with acceptably low carb levels. Could you be a little more specific on how long you bake "a little while" and how long you nuke "a few minutes"? It sounds like a great makeahead meal. Have you tried cornmeal tortillas? Thanks.

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> Never liked the frozen scrammbled eggs. They taste too powdery for me.

If you freeze your own homemade eggs, they don’t taste that way. Jennifer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jennifer, > These sound great!  Any idea how long cooked eggs will keep in the > frig? >Not sure… I know I’ve kept them a week.  And I bet you could freeze >them and nuke them when needed.  They sell frozen breakfast dishes with >eggs in the supermarket. >Jennifer

Thanks a lot.  BettyB. — BettyB  –  www.flamingo-code.com Full-timing in a 40′ Monaco Windsor bettyb at flamingo dash code dot com

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>Any suggestions for a good breakfast under these circumstances.  I am >a 55 year old male and am trying to stay on a 1700 calorie diabetic diet.

I like cottage cheese for breakfast (usually sprinkled with cinnamon).  To take it along you could buy it in single-sized servings or just scoop out what you need and put it in Tupperware.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hi Wee… >And here’s a recipe for take along omelets! >Breakfast Squares >1 lb. bulk sausage >12 eggs >1/4 ricotta cheese >1 cup cheddar cheese, grated >1 pkg. frozen chopped spinach, defrosted >1/2 teaspoon salt >1 tsp garlic powder >1.  Preheat oven to 350 F.  Grease (or spray Pam) into muffin tin. >2.  Brown sausage and drain. >3.  Whisk eggs. Add ricotta cheese and whisk until thoroughly blended. >4.  Squeeze moisture completely from spinach. Add >to egg mixture and stir. Add cheddar cheese and stir. >5. Add drained sausage to egg mixture over top and pour into muffin cups >6.  Bake for approximately 20 – 30 minutes or until knife comes out clean. >Allow to cool slightly before taking out of tins >NOTE: Watch closely so it doesn’t over cook and become tough. >This recipe is VERY adaptable.  Like mushrooms?  Add em’.  Like peppers >or onions? Add ‘em. >Like other kinds of cheese? Substitute.  Add whatever veggie or meat you >like. >Jennifer

Jennifer, These sound great!  Any idea how long cooked eggs will keep in the frig? — BettyB  –  www.flamingo-code.com Full-timing in a 40′ Monaco Windsor bettyb at flamingo dash code dot com

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I am new to the group.  Been diagnosed as Type II for over 2 years.  I am not being very compliant but have resolved to try harder.  My most difficult meal is breakfast.  I get up, shower, go to work and eat breakfast at my desk.  Any suggestions for a good breakfast under these circumstances.  I am a 55 year old male and am trying to stay on a 1700 calorie diabetic diet. Thanks for any and all suggestions. Wee laddie

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Hi Wee… There are plenty of choices for breakfast at your desk. How ’bout: Hard boiled eggs Leftovers from dinner Salami Avocado String Cheese Nuts And here’s a recipe for take along omelets! Breakfast Squares 1 lb. bulk sausage 12 eggs 1/4 ricotta cheese 1 cup cheddar cheese, grated 1 pkg. frozen chopped spinach, defrosted 1/2 teaspoon salt 1 tsp garlic powder 1.  Preheat oven to 350 F.  Grease (or spray Pam) into muffin tin. 2.  Brown sausage and drain. 3.  Whisk eggs. Add ricotta cheese and whisk until thoroughly blended. 4.  Squeeze moisture completely from spinach. Add to egg mixture and stir. Add cheddar cheese and stir. 5. Add drained sausage to egg mixture over top and pour into muffin cups 6.  Bake for approximately 20 – 30 minutes or until knife comes out clean. Allow to cool slightly before taking out of tins NOTE: Watch closely so it doesn’t over cook and become tough. This recipe is VERY adaptable.  Like mushrooms?  Add em’.  Like peppers or onions? Add ‘em. Like other kinds of cheese? Substitute.  Add whatever veggie or meat you like. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am new to the group.  Been diagnosed as Type II for over 2 years.  I am > not being very compliant but have resolved to try harder.  My most difficult > meal is breakfast.  I get up, shower, go to work and eat breakfast at my > desk.  Any suggestions for a good breakfast under these circumstances.  I am > a 55 year old male and am trying to stay on a 1700 calorie diabetic diet. > Thanks for any and all suggestions. > Wee laddie

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I was always curious about why my Lucy likes to lick the insides of plastic grocery bags.  I read somewhere that there’s something coming from the plastic that tastes a little like fish oil. Glad your kitty’s ok! Rosemary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >he had gotten entangled in a small >shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space >for his head to fit through.

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<< Mine too. Sugar nearly broke her neck running around the apartment in a total blind panic. I barely got her. She was a mess. NO MORE BAGS. Karen >> And mine, too.  My Scottie got his head caught in one a few years ago and went tearing around the house slamming into things and peeing on himself.  Finally he went under the bed and we were able to get him after he calmed down a little and get it off him.  Now everytime we bring groceries in, he hides under the bed for about an hour until the evil bags are gone. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

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>That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of >my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally >freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around.

Sebbie got his head through a grocery plastic bag handle once, and he just about hit light speed trying to get away from the nasty plastic monster that just kept chasing him.  I positioned myself on the stairs and grabbed as he went by.  The bag tore off his neck, and a newly nude Sebbie tore down to the basement.  It took him a while to recover and come back up. Previous to that, one of my former cats got something (don’t remember what) stuck to his tail with sticky tape and took off in a frenzied unwinnable escape dash.  I had to grab and hold the struggling cat while I freed whatever it was from his tail. The thing is, I’m usually struggling myself with barely controllable laughter when I’m liberating the poor cusses. Priscilla — "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."                                             – Albert Einstein

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I thought only my cat was stupid enough to get himself caught in the handle of a large shopping bag. I brought home a huge plastic bag from Ikea and actually put it on the floor for the three cats to play with while I sat on the couch and supervised – I figured they’d be safe with me sitting right there watching them. So my 18lbs male sticks his head in the handle and proceeds to fly around the apartment faster than I’ve ever seen a cat move. He must have made 8 or so laps before he jumped for the couch and crashed into the end table. He was so scared he peed in the bag. My boyfriend went to remove the bag and my sweet little gentle 8lbs female kitty attacked him! We had blood all over the place. I guess she figured she was trying to save him. No more plastic bags for my kitties, even with supervision.

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It never even occurred to me that this could happen.  He has never gotten entangled in anything before.  It will certainly never happen again. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sometime >later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head >butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I >turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small >shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space >for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg >through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked >himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me >awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his >neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out >of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle >like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation. > Smart cat — and lucky, too.  This may be a good time to make a > suggestion to the group:  my sister suggested several years ago that > everyone should cut the handles of these bags, even if they are to be > tossed in the trash.  That way, our cats are protected and so is > wildlife.  I have a friends who likes to use the large-size bags with > handles for her grandchildren at Christmas (she decorates the bags). > So, if they are the type of bags that I save for her, I hang them in the > closet looped around a clothes hanger.  That way, Holly can’t reach > them.  If I am going to throw them away, I follow my sister’s advice and > cut the handles first. > MaryL

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Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.

Smart cat — and lucky, too.  This may be a good time to make a suggestion to the group:  my sister suggested several years ago that everyone should cut the handles of these bags, even if they are to be tossed in the trash.  That way, our cats are protected and so is wildlife.  I have a friends who likes to use the large-size bags with handles for her grandchildren at Christmas (she decorates the bags). So, if they are the type of bags that I save for her, I hang them in the closet looped around a clothes hanger.  That way, Holly can’t reach them.  If I am going to throw them away, I follow my sister’s advice and cut the handles first. MaryL

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I destroy everything I throw away. Cut plastic bag handles like you and also tear apart the bag. This is especially important for smaller bags like bread bags, cereal/ cracker-cookie box liners, etc. Also make sure I tear apart or spit open the empty boxes too and squeeze together the tops of all cans. I will never forget when a friend came home to find her 8 mth old puppy dead with his head stuck inside of a cereal box that he had pulled out of the kitchen garbage. According to his Vet that was not all that uncommon a type of accident. So sad…. :(  I didn’t get the stats for cats but I’d bet this could be a danger for them too perhaps. Another freak accident I know of ( a little off topic but was another bummer…) is one of my co-worker’s cat got into a pan of brownies that were cooling off. She had ‘em up *high* on top of the microwave too ( not that that makes it access any more difficult imo but I understand her logic). Ate enough to kill him and it was a miserable drawn-out death, the Vet could not save him :( Glad Rocky is ok :)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Smart cat — and lucky, too.  This may be a good time to make a > suggestion to the group:  my sister suggested several years ago that > everyone should cut the handles of these bags, even if they are to be > tossed in the trash.  That way, our cats are protected and so is > wildlife.  I have a friends who likes to use the large-size bags with > handles for her grandchildren at Christmas (she decorates the bags). > So, if they are the type of bags that I save for her, I hang them in the > closet looped around a clothes hanger.  That way, Holly can’t reach > them.  If I am going to throw them away, I follow my sister’s advice and > cut the handles first. > MaryL > Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.

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> I destroy everything I throw away.

Yes, and let’s add one other item to destroy while we’re on the subject of safety … always cut the little plastic circles that are used to hold soft drinks and other liquids together.  That is, cut through each one.  Ducks and small wildlife sometimes become entangled in them. MaryL

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>That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of >my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally >freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around.

Same thing happened to us with one of our cats–and if it had happened at night, I’m not sure she would have had the presence of mind to come to us for help. We still keep shopping bags around because she likes to play in them, but we just snip the handles so she can’t get stuck.

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I buy small furry "mice" at the pet store.  Before I give them to Tiger, I cut off the tails and remove the eyes (plastic on a small pin).  Tiger doesn’t know the difference.                     -MIKE

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> That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of > my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally > freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around. > Cathy > — > "Staccato signals of constant information…" > ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

Mine too. Sugar nearly broke her neck running around the apartment in a total blind panic. I barely got her. She was a mess. NO MORE BAGS. Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have always thought that my 12 year old Rocky, is a smart cat, but he > proved it last night.  At about 3 am, I was awakened by a crash in my > bedroom.  I knew it was Rocky, racing around the house raising hell in > the middle of the night like he always does.  I thought briefly that I > would have to clean up another mess, and went back to sleep.  Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.  I was > impressed that he was able to reason well enough to know that he had to > get me awake, and was calm enough to understand that he had to stay > still and wait for me to help him.  No more shopping bags with handles > in my house.

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That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around. Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have always thought that my 12 year old Rocky, is a smart cat, but he > proved it last night.  At about 3 am, I was awakened by a crash in my > bedroom.  I knew it was Rocky, racing around the house raising hell in > the middle of the night like he always does.  I thought briefly that I > would have to clean up another mess, and went back to sleep.  Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.  I was > impressed that he was able to reason well enough to know that he had to > get me awake, and was calm enough to understand that he had to stay > still and wait for me to help him.  No more shopping bags with handles > in my house.

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I have always thought that my 12 year old Rocky, is a smart cat, but he proved it last night.  At about 3 am, I was awakened by a crash in my bedroom.  I knew it was Rocky, racing around the house raising hell in the middle of the night like he always does.  I thought briefly that I would have to clean up another mess, and went back to sleep.  Sometime later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.  I was impressed that he was able to reason well enough to know that he had to get me awake, and was calm enough to understand that he had to stay still and wait for me to help him.  No more shopping bags with handles in my house.

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I was always curious about why my Lucy likes to lick the insides of plastic grocery bags.  I read somewhere that there’s something coming from the plastic that tastes a little like fish oil. Glad your kitty’s ok! Rosemary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >he had gotten entangled in a small >shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space >for his head to fit through.

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<< Mine too. Sugar nearly broke her neck running around the apartment in a total blind panic. I barely got her. She was a mess. NO MORE BAGS. Karen >> And mine, too.  My Scottie got his head caught in one a few years ago and went tearing around the house slamming into things and peeing on himself.  Finally he went under the bed and we were able to get him after he calmed down a little and get it off him.  Now everytime we bring groceries in, he hides under the bed for about an hour until the evil bags are gone. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

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>That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of >my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally >freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around.

Sebbie got his head through a grocery plastic bag handle once, and he just about hit light speed trying to get away from the nasty plastic monster that just kept chasing him.  I positioned myself on the stairs and grabbed as he went by.  The bag tore off his neck, and a newly nude Sebbie tore down to the basement.  It took him a while to recover and come back up. Previous to that, one of my former cats got something (don’t remember what) stuck to his tail with sticky tape and took off in a frenzied unwinnable escape dash.  I had to grab and hold the struggling cat while I freed whatever it was from his tail. The thing is, I’m usually struggling myself with barely controllable laughter when I’m liberating the poor cusses. Priscilla — "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."                                             – Albert Einstein

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I thought only my cat was stupid enough to get himself caught in the handle of a large shopping bag. I brought home a huge plastic bag from Ikea and actually put it on the floor for the three cats to play with while I sat on the couch and supervised – I figured they’d be safe with me sitting right there watching them. So my 18lbs male sticks his head in the handle and proceeds to fly around the apartment faster than I’ve ever seen a cat move. He must have made 8 or so laps before he jumped for the couch and crashed into the end table. He was so scared he peed in the bag. My boyfriend went to remove the bag and my sweet little gentle 8lbs female kitty attacked him! We had blood all over the place. I guess she figured she was trying to save him. No more plastic bags for my kitties, even with supervision.

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It never even occurred to me that this could happen.  He has never gotten entangled in anything before.  It will certainly never happen again. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sometime >later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head >butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I >turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small >shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space >for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg >through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked >himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me >awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his >neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out >of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle >like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation. > Smart cat — and lucky, too.  This may be a good time to make a > suggestion to the group:  my sister suggested several years ago that > everyone should cut the handles of these bags, even if they are to be > tossed in the trash.  That way, our cats are protected and so is > wildlife.  I have a friends who likes to use the large-size bags with > handles for her grandchildren at Christmas (she decorates the bags). > So, if they are the type of bags that I save for her, I hang them in the > closet looped around a clothes hanger.  That way, Holly can’t reach > them.  If I am going to throw them away, I follow my sister’s advice and > cut the handles first. > MaryL

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Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.

Smart cat — and lucky, too.  This may be a good time to make a suggestion to the group:  my sister suggested several years ago that everyone should cut the handles of these bags, even if they are to be tossed in the trash.  That way, our cats are protected and so is wildlife.  I have a friends who likes to use the large-size bags with handles for her grandchildren at Christmas (she decorates the bags). So, if they are the type of bags that I save for her, I hang them in the closet looped around a clothes hanger.  That way, Holly can’t reach them.  If I am going to throw them away, I follow my sister’s advice and cut the handles first. MaryL

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I destroy everything I throw away. Cut plastic bag handles like you and also tear apart the bag. This is especially important for smaller bags like bread bags, cereal/ cracker-cookie box liners, etc. Also make sure I tear apart or spit open the empty boxes too and squeeze together the tops of all cans. I will never forget when a friend came home to find her 8 mth old puppy dead with his head stuck inside of a cereal box that he had pulled out of the kitchen garbage. According to his Vet that was not all that uncommon a type of accident. So sad…. :(  I didn’t get the stats for cats but I’d bet this could be a danger for them too perhaps. Another freak accident I know of ( a little off topic but was another bummer…) is one of my co-worker’s cat got into a pan of brownies that were cooling off. She had ‘em up *high* on top of the microwave too ( not that that makes it access any more difficult imo but I understand her logic). Ate enough to kill him and it was a miserable drawn-out death, the Vet could not save him :( Glad Rocky is ok :)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Smart cat — and lucky, too.  This may be a good time to make a > suggestion to the group:  my sister suggested several years ago that > everyone should cut the handles of these bags, even if they are to be > tossed in the trash.  That way, our cats are protected and so is > wildlife.  I have a friends who likes to use the large-size bags with > handles for her grandchildren at Christmas (she decorates the bags). > So, if they are the type of bags that I save for her, I hang them in the > closet looped around a clothes hanger.  That way, Holly can’t reach > them.  If I am going to throw them away, I follow my sister’s advice and > cut the handles first. > MaryL > Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.

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> I destroy everything I throw away.

Yes, and let’s add one other item to destroy while we’re on the subject of safety … always cut the little plastic circles that are used to hold soft drinks and other liquids together.  That is, cut through each one.  Ducks and small wildlife sometimes become entangled in them. MaryL

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>That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of >my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally >freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around.

Same thing happened to us with one of our cats–and if it had happened at night, I’m not sure she would have had the presence of mind to come to us for help. We still keep shopping bags around because she likes to play in them, but we just snip the handles so she can’t get stuck.

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I buy small furry "mice" at the pet store.  Before I give them to Tiger, I cut off the tails and remove the eyes (plastic on a small pin).  Tiger doesn’t know the difference.                     -MIKE

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> That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of > my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally > freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around. > Cathy > — > "Staccato signals of constant information…" > ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

Mine too. Sugar nearly broke her neck running around the apartment in a total blind panic. I barely got her. She was a mess. NO MORE BAGS. Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have always thought that my 12 year old Rocky, is a smart cat, but he > proved it last night.  At about 3 am, I was awakened by a crash in my > bedroom.  I knew it was Rocky, racing around the house raising hell in > the middle of the night like he always does.  I thought briefly that I > would have to clean up another mess, and went back to sleep.  Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.  I was > impressed that he was able to reason well enough to know that he had to > get me awake, and was calm enough to understand that he had to stay > still and wait for me to help him.  No more shopping bags with handles > in my house.

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That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around. Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have always thought that my 12 year old Rocky, is a smart cat, but he > proved it last night.  At about 3 am, I was awakened by a crash in my > bedroom.  I knew it was Rocky, racing around the house raising hell in > the middle of the night like he always does.  I thought briefly that I > would have to clean up another mess, and went back to sleep.  Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.  I was > impressed that he was able to reason well enough to know that he had to > get me awake, and was calm enough to understand that he had to stay > still and wait for me to help him.  No more shopping bags with handles > in my house.

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I have always thought that my 12 year old Rocky, is a smart cat, but he proved it last night.  At about 3 am, I was awakened by a crash in my bedroom.  I knew it was Rocky, racing around the house raising hell in the middle of the night like he always does.  I thought briefly that I would have to clean up another mess, and went back to sleep.  Sometime later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.  I was impressed that he was able to reason well enough to know that he had to get me awake, and was calm enough to understand that he had to stay still and wait for me to help him.  No more shopping bags with handles in my house.

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I was always curious about why my Lucy likes to lick the insides of plastic grocery bags.  I read somewhere that there’s something coming from the plastic that tastes a little like fish oil. Glad your kitty’s ok! Rosemary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >he had gotten entangled in a small >shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space >for his head to fit through.

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<< Mine too. Sugar nearly broke her neck running around the apartment in a total blind panic. I barely got her. She was a mess. NO MORE BAGS. Karen >> And mine, too.  My Scottie got his head caught in one a few years ago and went tearing around the house slamming into things and peeing on himself.  Finally he went under the bed and we were able to get him after he calmed down a little and get it off him.  Now everytime we bring groceries in, he hides under the bed for about an hour until the evil bags are gone. Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) See my cats: http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

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>That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of >my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally >freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around.

Sebbie got his head through a grocery plastic bag handle once, and he just about hit light speed trying to get away from the nasty plastic monster that just kept chasing him.  I positioned myself on the stairs and grabbed as he went by.  The bag tore off his neck, and a newly nude Sebbie tore down to the basement.  It took him a while to recover and come back up. Previous to that, one of my former cats got something (don’t remember what) stuck to his tail with sticky tape and took off in a frenzied unwinnable escape dash.  I had to grab and hold the struggling cat while I freed whatever it was from his tail. The thing is, I’m usually struggling myself with barely controllable laughter when I’m liberating the poor cusses. Priscilla — "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."                                             – Albert Einstein

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I thought only my cat was stupid enough to get himself caught in the handle of a large shopping bag. I brought home a huge plastic bag from Ikea and actually put it on the floor for the three cats to play with while I sat on the couch and supervised – I figured they’d be safe with me sitting right there watching them. So my 18lbs male sticks his head in the handle and proceeds to fly around the apartment faster than I’ve ever seen a cat move. He must have made 8 or so laps before he jumped for the couch and crashed into the end table. He was so scared he peed in the bag. My boyfriend went to remove the bag and my sweet little gentle 8lbs female kitty attacked him! We had blood all over the place. I guess she figured she was trying to save him. No more plastic bags for my kitties, even with supervision.

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It never even occurred to me that this could happen.  He has never gotten entangled in anything before.  It will certainly never happen again. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Sometime >later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head >butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I >turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small >shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space >for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg >through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked >himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me >awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his >neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out >of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle >like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation. > Smart cat — and lucky, too.  This may be a good time to make a > suggestion to the group:  my sister suggested several years ago that > everyone should cut the handles of these bags, even if they are to be > tossed in the trash.  That way, our cats are protected and so is > wildlife.  I have a friends who likes to use the large-size bags with > handles for her grandchildren at Christmas (she decorates the bags). > So, if they are the type of bags that I save for her, I hang them in the > closet looped around a clothes hanger.  That way, Holly can’t reach > them.  If I am going to throw them away, I follow my sister’s advice and > cut the handles first. > MaryL

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Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.

Smart cat — and lucky, too.  This may be a good time to make a suggestion to the group:  my sister suggested several years ago that everyone should cut the handles of these bags, even if they are to be tossed in the trash.  That way, our cats are protected and so is wildlife.  I have a friends who likes to use the large-size bags with handles for her grandchildren at Christmas (she decorates the bags). So, if they are the type of bags that I save for her, I hang them in the closet looped around a clothes hanger.  That way, Holly can’t reach them.  If I am going to throw them away, I follow my sister’s advice and cut the handles first. MaryL

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I destroy everything I throw away. Cut plastic bag handles like you and also tear apart the bag. This is especially important for smaller bags like bread bags, cereal/ cracker-cookie box liners, etc. Also make sure I tear apart or spit open the empty boxes too and squeeze together the tops of all cans. I will never forget when a friend came home to find her 8 mth old puppy dead with his head stuck inside of a cereal box that he had pulled out of the kitchen garbage. According to his Vet that was not all that uncommon a type of accident. So sad…. :(  I didn’t get the stats for cats but I’d bet this could be a danger for them too perhaps. Another freak accident I know of ( a little off topic but was another bummer…) is one of my co-worker’s cat got into a pan of brownies that were cooling off. She had ‘em up *high* on top of the microwave too ( not that that makes it access any more difficult imo but I understand her logic). Ate enough to kill him and it was a miserable drawn-out death, the Vet could not save him :( Glad Rocky is ok :)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Smart cat — and lucky, too.  This may be a good time to make a > suggestion to the group:  my sister suggested several years ago that > everyone should cut the handles of these bags, even if they are to be > tossed in the trash.  That way, our cats are protected and so is > wildlife.  I have a friends who likes to use the large-size bags with > handles for her grandchildren at Christmas (she decorates the bags). > So, if they are the type of bags that I save for her, I hang them in the > closet looped around a clothes hanger.  That way, Holly can’t reach > them.  If I am going to throw them away, I follow my sister’s advice and > cut the handles first. > MaryL > Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.

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> I destroy everything I throw away.

Yes, and let’s add one other item to destroy while we’re on the subject of safety … always cut the little plastic circles that are used to hold soft drinks and other liquids together.  That is, cut through each one.  Ducks and small wildlife sometimes become entangled in them. MaryL

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>That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of >my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally >freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around.

Same thing happened to us with one of our cats–and if it had happened at night, I’m not sure she would have had the presence of mind to come to us for help. We still keep shopping bags around because she likes to play in them, but we just snip the handles so she can’t get stuck.

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I buy small furry "mice" at the pet store.  Before I give them to Tiger, I cut off the tails and remove the eyes (plastic on a small pin).  Tiger doesn’t know the difference.                     -MIKE

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> That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of > my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally > freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around. > Cathy > — > "Staccato signals of constant information…" > ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

Mine too. Sugar nearly broke her neck running around the apartment in a total blind panic. I barely got her. She was a mess. NO MORE BAGS. Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have always thought that my 12 year old Rocky, is a smart cat, but he > proved it last night.  At about 3 am, I was awakened by a crash in my > bedroom.  I knew it was Rocky, racing around the house raising hell in > the middle of the night like he always does.  I thought briefly that I > would have to clean up another mess, and went back to sleep.  Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.  I was > impressed that he was able to reason well enough to know that he had to > get me awake, and was calm enough to understand that he had to stay > still and wait for me to help him.  No more shopping bags with handles > in my house.

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That *was* smart of him, & I’m also amazed he was so calm about it.  One of my cats got her head stuck in a grocery bag’s handle years ago & it totally freaked her out.  Since then, I’ve never left handled shopping bags around. Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have always thought that my 12 year old Rocky, is a smart cat, but he > proved it last night.  At about 3 am, I was awakened by a crash in my > bedroom.  I knew it was Rocky, racing around the house raising hell in > the middle of the night like he always does.  I thought briefly that I > would have to clean up another mess, and went back to sleep.  Sometime > later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head > butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I > turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small > shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space > for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg > through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked > himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me > awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his > neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out > of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle > like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.  I was > impressed that he was able to reason well enough to know that he had to > get me awake, and was calm enough to understand that he had to stay > still and wait for me to help him.  No more shopping bags with handles > in my house.

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I have always thought that my 12 year old Rocky, is a smart cat, but he proved it last night.  At about 3 am, I was awakened by a crash in my bedroom.  I knew it was Rocky, racing around the house raising hell in the middle of the night like he always does.  I thought briefly that I would have to clean up another mess, and went back to sleep.  Sometime later, Rocky awakened me out of a sound sleep with some fierce head butts.  I opened my eyes and saw him crouched right next to me.  When I turned on the light, I saw that he had gotten entangled in a small shopping bag.  It had thick plastic handles that left just enough space for his head to fit through.  He had gotten his head and his right leg through one of the loops, and everytime he put his leg down, he choked himself.  He had the presence of mind to get in the bed and head butt me awake for help.  I could not tear the plastic handle from around his neck because it was too thick.  I had to go get a knife and cut him out of his predicament.  He lay there quietly and did not panic or struggle like I would expect any animal to do in the same situation.  I was impressed that he was able to reason well enough to know that he had to get me awake, and was calm enough to understand that he had to stay still and wait for me to help him.  No more shopping bags with handles in my house.

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Hi, all- We’re getting ready to build a kitchen and I’m wondering if any brand(s) of appliances really stand out. We’re looking at an Amana refrigerator with a bottom freezer (pull out drawer).  We’re 99% decided on that. As for cooking, tonight we looked at some cooktops make by Jenn Air that look pretty swanky (and expensive).  My wife also wants two ovens, either two singles or a double oven. Then, of course, there’s a dishwasher and maybe a trash masher. What do you recommend? kickaha

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>We’re getting ready to build a kitchen and I’m wondering if any brand(s) >of appliances really stand out. >We’re looking at an Amana refrigerator with a bottom freezer (pull out >drawer).  We’re 99% decided on that. >As for cooking, tonight we looked at some cooktops make by Jenn Air that >look pretty swanky (and expensive).  My wife also wants two ovens, >either two singles or a double oven. >Then, of course, there’s a dishwasher and maybe a trash masher. >What do you recommend?

No one manufacturer excels at all appliances. Decide on a budget first and then it will be obvious what you have left to work with. Shop within that budget for each appliance individually, spending the most money on your highest priority appliances (for many people a range or a refrigerator). Dimitri

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kickaha(remove) wrote >We’re getting ready to build a kitchen and I’m wondering if any brand(s) >of appliances really stand out. >As for cooking, tonight we looked at some cooktops make by Jenn Air that >look pretty swanky (and expensive).  My wife also wants two ovens, >either two singles or a double oven.

You might want to read about ‘built in’ appliances as a choice at the following link. http://ng.appliance411.com/purchase/buy.shtml If you do choose a Jenn Air downdraft cooktop, be sure to following the venting guidelines **to the letter**. Failure to do so could and probably will result in poor or ineffectual exhausting. You might also check out the installation instruction before you make the purchase to be sure it can be installed according to them. JMO Dan O. – Appliance411.com http://ng.Appliance411.com/?ref411=Jenn-Air+cooktop =

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Thanks I was afraid you were going to say it required going inside.  Is is done at a hospital?   And if so, do I have to stay there?  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Susan- > I believe that the only way to test for endometriosis is laparascopically. I > have endo and they diagnosed it (and treated it) right through the laparascope. > Because the adhesions can be microscopic, this can’t usually be found by > internal ultrasound unless it is very severe.  This was done by my > gynecologist.  I understand what you mean about scar tissue.  But if you do > have it and are treated, it can make such a big difference in how you feel. > Once you find out that you have it, they can prescribe a medication (pill or > shot) to stop your cycle, so that the progression is slowed or stopped. Good > luck.  I hope you feel better soon.  I always have problems with my CD during > my period. > Be well- > Tracy > CD class of ‘98 > my homepage: > http://home.talkcity.com/ParadiseDr/goodboie/index.html >  : )  smile – it makes people wonder what you’re up to!

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Cassis in french ;o) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And ( ok let the jokes begin) what > on earth is black currant? > Eh?  What??  What’s blackcurrant???  Errm… Help me out here > someone, please!  What do you lot call blackcurrants? > — > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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Actually I think that is a pretty good description, Violet. I like currents but haven’t had them in a while. Rebecca :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <Giggle> Thank goodness for that!  I was trying to work out how on > earth to describe a blackcurrant > I think of black currants as being sort of like raisins but smaller & kind > of spicy tasting. I don’t think that’s right either  though… > Violet Tigress

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I am taking Tincher of opium that help me a lot.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> im sure your doc has suggested immodium or questran

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Is it in a bag already?  Is is spicy?  UM MOM Susan, oh yea, can you get it at the grocery store?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Susan,  Black currants are a berry and you can get it in tea form.  <G> > — > Take Care, > Sherry  :o) > (To reply remove nospam from addie.) > Ok so its tea.  I thought it was a spice of some sort!  And I am not > joking! > UM MOM Susan > > We call them black currants!!! And, LOL, I have some black current tea > bags > > right in the kitchen so I will go have a cup for Susan! > > Rebecca :-) > > > > And ( ok let the jokes begin) what > > > > on earth is black currant? > > > Eh?  What??  What’s blackcurrant???  Errm… Help me out here > > > someone, please!  What do you lot call blackcurrants? > > > — > > > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > > > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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Susan- I believe that the only way to test for endometriosis is laparascopically.  I have endo and they diagnosed it (and treated it) right through the laparascope. Because the adhesions can be microscopic, this can’t usually be found by internal ultrasound unless it is very severe.  This was done by my gynecologist.  I understand what you mean about scar tissue.  But if you do have it and are treated, it can make such a big difference in how you feel. Once you find out that you have it, they can prescribe a medication (pill or shot) to stop your cycle, so that the progression is slowed or stopped.  Good luck.  I hope you feel better soon.  I always have problems with my CD during my period. Be well- Tracy CD class of ‘98 my homepage: http://home.talkcity.com/ParadiseDr/goodboie/index.html  : )  smile – it makes people wonder what you’re up to!

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Not me! (laughing so loud I think I might have an accident! LOL )  You know that I don’t cook without the microwave and then it is only necessary cooking because my husband keep coming home and saying I’m hungry! :o  ))) UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A blackcurrant is a berry. You can make tea out of them or jam or many other > things! > Debs > Ok so its tea.  I thought it was a spice of some sort!  And I am not joking! > UM MOM Susan > > We call them black currants!!! And, LOL, I have some black current tea > bags > > right in the kitchen so I will go have a cup for Susan! > > Rebecca :-) > > > > And ( ok let the jokes begin) what > > > > on earth is black currant? > > > Eh?  What??  What’s blackcurrant???  Errm… Help me out here > > > someone, please!  What do you lot call blackcurrants? > > > — > > > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > > > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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Fran – Don’t know what they call them here, but I agree on the blackcurrant tea – always makes me feel better! Christine UC Class of 01

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And ( ok let the jokes begin) what > on earth is black currant? > Eh?  What??  What’s blackcurrant???  Errm… Help me out here > someone, please!  What do you lot call blackcurrants? > — > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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So you finally figured out my shopping and cooking skills lack a lot <G>  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <Giggle> Thank goodness for that!  I was trying to work out how on > earth to describe a blackcurrant, got it all sorted out, and then I > realised I was actually thinking of blackberries, so I had to scrap > that explanation and start again.  I’m finding it very difficult to > describe a fruit that I don’t see growing all that often.  I mean, > I’d certainly recognise it if I saw it, and whoever owned the bush > would find he’d been raided, but I haven’t actually seen a > blackcurrant bush for ages and ages. > Susan, get yourself – or better still, send someone else – to the > shop, and get a box of mixed fruit teas.  I’ve got a lovely lemon > and ginger one here; also apple and cinnamon.  Orange is good, too, > and so is rosehip… > <Mutter> What is blackcurrant, indeed… </mutter>  ;-) > We call them black currants!!! And, LOL, I have some black current tea bags > right in the kitchen so I will go have a cup for Susan! > Rebecca :-) > > > And ( ok let the jokes begin) what > > > on earth is black currant? > > Eh?  What??  What’s blackcurrant???  Errm… Help me out here > > someone, please!  What do you lot call blackcurrants? > — > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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I think this is a little more than I care to know, pick them, I think not! <g>  But thanks for the good laugh.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It’s a soft fruit, a dark skinned berry with a greenish flesh.  It > grows in profusion on very spiky bushes, so gloves are the order of > the day if you’re going picking for any large quantity.  It makes > wonderful jams and jellies, fabulous drinks (do you have Ribena in > America?) and there are people who add it to rum to create ‘rum and > black’.  Oh, and yes, it can also be used to make an infusion, or > tea ;-) > Ok so its tea.  I thought it was a spice of some sort!  And I am not joking! > UM MOM Susan > > We call them black currants!!! And, LOL, I have some black current tea > bags > > right in the kitchen so I will go have a cup for Susan! > > Rebecca :-) > > > > And ( ok let the jokes begin) what > > > > on earth is black currant? > > > Eh?  What??  What’s blackcurrant???  Errm… Help me out here > > > someone, please!  What do you lot call blackcurrants? > — > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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> <Giggle> Thank goodness for that!  I was trying to work out how on > earth to describe a blackcurrant

I think of black currants as being sort of like raisins but smaller & kind of spicy tasting. I don’t think that’s right either  though… Violet Tigress

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blackcurrants! Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And ( ok let the jokes begin) what > on earth is black currant? > Eh?  What??  What’s blackcurrant???  Errm… Help me out here > someone, please!  What do you lot call blackcurrants? > — > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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A blackcurrant is a berry. You can make tea out of them or jam or many other things! Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Ok so its tea.  I thought it was a spice of some sort!  And I am not joking! > UM MOM Susan > We call them black currants!!! And, LOL, I have some black current tea > bags > right in the kitchen so I will go have a cup for Susan! > Rebecca :-) > > > And ( ok let the jokes begin) what > > > on earth is black currant? > > Eh?  What??  What’s blackcurrant???  Errm… Help me out here > > someone, please!  What do you lot call blackcurrants? > > — > > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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im sure your doc has suggested immodium or questran

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Susan,  Black currants are a berry and you can get it in tea form.  <G> — Take Care, Sherry  :o) (To reply remove nospam from addie.)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok so its tea.  I thought it was a spice of some sort!  And I am not joking! > UM MOM Susan > We call them black currants!!! And, LOL, I have some black current tea > bags > right in the kitchen so I will go have a cup for Susan! > Rebecca :-) > > > And ( ok let the jokes begin) what > > > on earth is black currant? > > Eh?  What??  What’s blackcurrant???  Errm… Help me out here > > someone, please!  What do you lot call blackcurrants? > > — > > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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We call them black currants!!! And, LOL, I have some black current tea bags right in the kitchen so I will go have a cup for Susan! Rebecca :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And ( ok let the jokes begin) what > on earth is black currant? > Eh?  What??  What’s blackcurrant???  Errm… Help me out here > someone, please!  What do you lot call blackcurrants? > — > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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Ok so its tea.  I thought it was a spice of some sort!  And I am not joking! UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We call them black currants!!! And, LOL, I have some black current tea bags > right in the kitchen so I will go have a cup for Susan! > Rebecca :-) > > And ( ok let the jokes begin) what > > on earth is black currant? > Eh?  What??  What’s blackcurrant???  Errm… Help me out here > someone, please!  What do you lot call blackcurrants? > — > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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Thanks, I am supposed to do it Wednesday if it doesn’t stop.  I think you are right though more so with the period.  Does anyone know a non evasive way to test for endometreitis (sp? bad)?  I was told that this can only be done going through the belly button to have it checked and tested.  I already have so much scar tissue that I really don’t want any more esp with all the trouble it causes.  Also, do you go to you regular gi or someone else? Thanks, UM MOM Susan, very depressed right now about family matters.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Susan,  You prolly have the flu.  Also I have a lot more D when I have my > period, so that prolly has a lot to do with it also.  If it keeps up much > longer call your Dr. > — > Take Care, > Sherry  :o) > (To reply remove nospam from addie.) > I am having a real problem with the big D now.  I have already lost 6 > pounds > in two months (maybe more since Fridays weigh in) .  I can’t keep anything > in that I eat.  I mean nothing.  I don’t think it’s the pentasa.  I had a > little more activity at first when I got to maintenance dose then it > seemed > to settle down and I was going quite as often, still going though atleast > 6 > times a day.  I am way more than that now unless I don’t eat.  My med for > the D stops it and the pain and cramps are calmed down a bit, until I eat. > I don’t know what my body is saying.  This is frustrating.   If I call the > gi, he will take away the Pentasa and I want to try it a little longer. > Then to add to it my hubby had a stomach virus that is going around and my > menstraul cycle started.  So I don’t know what I am looking at or what I > can > do.  Suggestions Please!  UM MOM Susan

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Thanks, cute! <g>   Well it is raining of and on and hot and humid.  I am not a big tea drinker.  <grinning> Sorry! And ( ok let the jokes begin) what on earth is black currant?  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <Grin> How about a mild herbal tea of some sort, to help settle the > stomach and give you a lift?  Something soothing perhaps, like > blackcurrant?  It won’t stop the D, but you never know, it might > make you feel a little bit better.  What’s the weather doing where > you are at the moment?  Is is cool enough for you to appreciate some > soup or something, so that at least you get some nourishment > (hopefully)?  Hang in there – hopefully it won’t last much longer. > Fran, not exactly the answer I expected but thank you for the smile. UM > MOM Susan > > > I am having a real problem with the big D now.  I have already lost 6 > pounds > > > in two months (maybe more since Fridays weigh in) .  I can’t keep > anything > > > in that I eat.  I mean nothing > — > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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I am having a real problem with the big D now.  I have already lost 6 pounds in two months (maybe more since Fridays weigh in) .  I can’t keep anything in that I eat.  I mean nothing.  I don’t think it’s the pentasa.  I had a little more activity at first when I got to maintenance dose then it seemed to settle down and I was going quite as often, still going though atleast 6 times a day.  I am way more than that now unless I don’t eat.  My med for the D stops it and the pain and cramps are calmed down a bit, until I eat. I don’t know what my body is saying.  This is frustrating.   If I call the gi, he will take away the Pentasa and I want to try it a little longer. Then to add to it my hubby had a stomach virus that is going around and my menstraul cycle started.  So I don’t know what I am looking at or what I can do.  Suggestions Please!  UM MOM Susan

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sounds like a flare susan.  who knows, maybe the doc would UP your pentasa. jeffy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am having a real problem with the big D now.  I have already lost 6 pounds > in two months (maybe more since Fridays weigh in) .  I can’t keep anything > in that I eat.  I mean nothing.  I don’t think it’s the pentasa.  I had a > little more activity at first when I got to maintenance dose then it seemed > to settle down and I was going quite as often, still going though atleast 6 > times a day.  I am way more than that now unless I don’t eat.  My med for > the D stops it and the pain and cramps are calmed down a bit, until I eat. > I don’t know what my body is saying.  This is frustrating.   If I call the > gi, he will take away the Pentasa and I want to try it a little longer. > Then to add to it my hubby had a stomach virus that is going around and my > menstraul cycle started.  So I don’t know what I am looking at or what I can > do.  Suggestions Please!  UM MOM Susan

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Susan – I’m so sorry you’re having all these problems.  I would bet you’ve got a touch of hubby’s flu on top of your CD troubles.  Have you tried bland stuff like mashed potatoes and chicken?  They usually will retain and the mashed pots will help you gain a pound maybe.  I would also double check with your doctor tho. Hope you feel better real soon – I’ll do my healing dance for you! Christine UC Class of 01

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am having a real problem with the big D now.  I have already lost 6 pounds > in two months (maybe more since Fridays weigh in) .  I can’t keep anything > in that I eat.  I mean nothing.  I don’t think it’s the pentasa.  I had a > little more activity at first when I got to maintenance dose then it seemed > to settle down and I was going quite as often, still going though atleast 6 > times a day.  I am way more than that now unless I don’t eat.  My med for > the D stops it and the pain and cramps are calmed down a bit, until I eat. > I don’t know what my body is saying.  This is frustrating.   If I call the > gi, he will take away the Pentasa and I want to try it a little longer. > Then to add to it my hubby had a stomach virus that is going around and my > menstraul cycle started.  So I don’t know what I am looking at or what I can > do.  Suggestions Please!  UM MOM Susan

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The Big D can be a side effect and sometimes upping the dosage works well. I hope you get to give it a good try.  Sometimes I think meds are given up on to easily.  I always try and remember that basically I’m poisoning my body and it needs a bit of time to get used to my intentional abuse <g> Connie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am having a real problem with the big D now.  I have already lost 6 pounds > in two months (maybe more since Fridays weigh in) .  I can’t keep anything > in that I eat.  I mean nothing.  I don’t think it’s the pentasa.  I had a > little more activity at first when I got to maintenance dose then it seemed > to settle down and I was going quite as often, still going though atleast 6 > times a day.  I am way more than that now unless I don’t eat.  My med for > the D stops it and the pain and cramps are calmed down a bit, until I eat. > I don’t know what my body is saying.  This is frustrating.   If I call the > gi, he will take away the Pentasa and I want to try it a little longer. > Then to add to it my hubby had a stomach virus that is going around and my > menstraul cycle started.  So I don’t know what I am looking at or what I can > do.  Suggestions Please!  UM MOM Susan

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Fran, not exactly the answer I expected but thank you for the smile.   UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am having a real problem with the big D now.  I have already lost 6 pounds > in two months (maybe more since Fridays weigh in) .  I can’t keep anything > in that I eat.  I mean nothing.  I don’t think it’s the pentasa.  I had a > little more activity at first when I got to maintenance dose then it seemed > to settle down and I was going quite as often, still going though atleast 6 > times a day.  I am way more than that now unless I don’t eat.  My med for > the D stops it and the pain and cramps are calmed down a bit, until I eat. > I don’t know what my body is saying.  This is frustrating.   If I call the > gi, he will take away the Pentasa and I want to try it a little longer. > Then to add to it my hubby had a stomach virus that is going around and my > menstraul cycle started.  So I don’t know what I am looking at or what I can > do.  Suggestions Please!  UM MOM Susan > Umm… vallium? <g,d&rfc> > — > Cleaning a house with children in it is about as effective as > sweeping Autumn leaves in a gale.

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Susan,  You prolly have the flu.  Also I have a lot more D when I have my period, so that prolly has a lot to do with it also.  If it keeps up much longer call your Dr. — Take Care, Sherry  :o) (To reply remove nospam from addie.)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am having a real problem with the big D now.  I have already lost 6 pounds > in two months (maybe more since Fridays weigh in) .  I can’t keep anything > in that I eat.  I mean nothing.  I don’t think it’s the pentasa.  I had a > little more activity at first when I got to maintenance dose then it seemed > to settle down and I was going quite as often, still going though atleast 6 > times a day.  I am way more than that now unless I don’t eat.  My med for > the D stops it and the pain and cramps are calmed down a bit, until I eat. > I don’t know what my body is saying.  This is frustrating.   If I call the > gi, he will take away the Pentasa and I want to try it a little longer. > Then to add to it my hubby had a stomach virus that is going around and my > menstraul cycle started.  So I don’t know what I am looking at or what I can > do.  Suggestions Please!  UM MOM Susan

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